I actually don't agree it's about being right and wrong.

It's about personal choice. Comments were made to the vein that it's all a bit over the top and "we never had these rules in our mothers day" etc etc. Comments such as "I ate it and look my baby is alive and developmentally fine".

People look and read and some people just believe opinions. So therefore facts have to be stated.

Listeriosis is a real albiet small risk. It is a "common" cause of stillbirth. It isn't a story with unknown faces...

Yes, I was offended Hoobley - as you were "growing increasingly tired" - your beliefs may be that your babies died and that's just the way it is. However, my babies died because I had an undiagnosed condition. I have made it my lifes work to help and support those that are enduring the same. I have seen cases of stillbirths due to listeriosis and "they were never meant to be" really doesn't cut it in a labour room when there is a silence that can cut the air.

Yes, I am sensitive about this issue (I wave my arms around guiltily) Yes you have pushed my buttons - but my over flowing in box last night told me how hurt others were also...

We all say stuff without thinking. We all say stuff without really understanding how it might be heard. Its all good - my wounds are never kept open - life is too short for that.

It is true that the written word without facial expressions etc can be misinterpreted. Absolutely true. As for it being the truth - well I am different. I live my life authentically and I always make the assumption (unless I am proven otherwise) that others do too.

Posts often get off topic - back to France and Japan - but it's about discussion and learning and peer support.