thread: African babies don't cry - I call bull****

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    African babies don't cry - I call bull****

    http://thefeministbreeder.com/africa...bull****-rant/

    African Babies Don’t Cry? I Call Bull****.
    Dec 30th 2011

    Last year, I read an article by a mother of one 5 month old baby, which led me to believe that if I was only a more attached parent, then my baby would never cry. Supposedly, African babies who are breastfed on demand don’t cry, and according to the woman’s grandmother, that’s all it takes to prevent crying to begin with. All kinds of natural parenting websites picked up this story and used to tell mothers all about how it must be the mother’s fault if the baby is crying, because she must not be doing a good enough job breastfeeding or being attached to her baby.

    Well, this argument would have worked with my middle son. He was breastfed on demand whenever we were together (I worked and went to school upwards of 80 hours a week) but when we nursed, it fixed all his problems. He nursed for food. He nursed for comfort. He nursed when he was in pain. He nursed when he was tired. No matter what ailed him, a few minutes at the breast would fix it. The baby was perpetually happy. He smiled from his inside out all the time. Every time I posted a picture of him on Facebook, people would say “My god! Is that baby EVER not smiling?!?” The boy just didn’t cry.

    So when I was pregnant with my daughter, I read that article and told myself that my daughter would be exactly the same way. As long as I wore her, and slept with her, and breastfed her on demand, she’d be happy. Like the African babies, there would be no reason for her to cry.

    Fast forward a few months, and I give birth to a screamer. An inconsolable, nothing-helps-her, 24-hour a day screamer.

    BUT WHY?

    I am the perfect example of what Attachment Parenting is supposed to look like. I cosleep. I breastfeed 24 hours a day. I wear my baby everywhere. She’s only received ONE vaccination in 8 months. I’ve done chiropractics. I’ve tried elimination diets. I’ve taken her with me to work and school. I cater to her needs constantly, rarely even asking to take a shower by myself. If Dr. Sears handed out grades for Attachment Parenting and biological nurturing, I’d be getting my usual A+++.

    So apparently breastfeeding, and wearing a baby, and sleeping with them doesn’t fix everything. And I don’t know why in the world I would let my educated self believe that it does. I already know that babies are different. What works for one baby with NOT work for another, and if it did, then chances are you just got lucky. Some kids have allergies that make them scream. Some kids have sensory problems that make them scream. Some kids react poorly to an overactive letdown and oversupply, which causes them great pain and makes them scream. Some kids will NOT comfort nurse because nursing itself is what’s upsetting their stomachs. Some kids are experiencing severe teething pain that makes them scream. Some kids have reflux. And some kids are just needier! And these are the examples of otherwise relatively healthy kids. We’re not even talking about the babies with bigger problems.

    Yet the writer of this article would have us believe that a baby breastfed on demand would never have any reason to cry. And why would she believe this? Because her Grandma told her that was true, and because it was coincidentally true for her one baby.

    Listen, my Grandma has told me a lot of things, few of which I’d consider evidence-based parenting advice. She’s told me my kids act like kids because I don’t spank them enough. She’s told me that little babies are happier when their car seats face forward. She’s told me I should force-feed my toddlers when they don’t want to eat. She told me that breastfeeding causes babies to be allergic to food. In her time, these things were held as truths.

    As you can see, being my Grandma doesn’t automatically crown her with some doctorate in parenting wisdom, just like me being a mother doesn’t automatically mean I have all the right answers.

    Instead, I feel that sanctimonious article does little more than pile judgment on the backs of the mothers whose babies are born needier than average. It tells the mothers who are doing the very best they can that their best isn’t good enough. Additionally, I think it helps those mothers with calm babies feel that they are doing a “better” job than others. If your baby’s cries can be fixed just by breastfeeding, then go ahead and pat yourself on the back if you want, but also thank your particular god that you got a baby whose problems will be fixed by nursing alone.

    What IS true about the article? Breastfeeding on demand is the biologically normal way to breastfeed, and that should be facilitated whenever possible. But the article could have, and should have, stopped there. To claim that feeding on demand is the magic solution to all a baby’s cries is one of the more ridiculous assertions I’ve ever seen on the internet, and I’m frankly embarrassed at any of my Lactivist friends who would hop on that bandwagon. I would be willing to guess that those people have ONE or two babies that this worked for, and they’ve never had to parent a baby that has higher needs. Otherwise, they’d know full well that no amount attachment parenting can “fix” their baby’s temperament. So far, nobody has found anything that can “fix” my daughter’s fussiness. We’ve tried cosleeping, and we’ve tried putting her in a crib. We’ve tried wearing her, and we’ve tried letting her roam more. We’ve tried more solids. We’ve tried no solids.

    There’s just no silver bullet. She has her good days, and she has her very, very, very bad days. Right now we’re in the thick of some of the worst days, and it’s NOT because I stopped breastfeeding her on demand. I had her in the ER last weekend after a fever and eight straight hours of screaming, and they couldn’t find a diagnosis either. (I’m going with teething, since that’s all we can come up with.)

    I understand the appeal of buying into this “wisdom.” Moms want to think there’s a solution. They want to believe that something will fix it. They want to believe that there is a parenting utopia somewhere in the world that is free from the constraints of the Western World; a place in which all our natural parenting instincts are nurtured, and thus, our children are perfectly content, which makes parenting less stressful. But teething is teething everywhere in the world. Gassiness is gassiness everywhere in the world. I wish there was a parenting utopia, but I don’t live there, and you probably don’t either, so you and I are going to have to do the best we can, and know that for some babies, it’s just not going to fix it.

    I’m tired of people telling moms,


    “If you only coslept, your baby would be happy.”

    “If you only nursed her more, your baby would be happy.”

    “If you only cut out dairy, your baby would be happy.”

    “If you only wore her more, your baby would be happy.”

    “If you only blahblahblah, your baby would be happy.”

    I’m sure African babies teeth. I’m sure some African moms have an overactive supply or overactive letdown that upsets their African baby’s tummy. I’m sure some African babies are born with high needs. I’m sure, right at this very minute, there are thousands of African babies crying for no particular reason, and their African mothers can’t do anything to fix it. I’m sure they walk the floors with them at night, just as I walk the floors with my American, breastfed-on-demand, rides-on-my-hip, sleeps-on-my-chest baby.

    Feed your baby on demand. Love your baby on demand. But don’t feel like an attachment parenting failure if your baby is still a screamer. Just come commiserate with me until we all survive this. I’m on facebook at 3 am if you want to chat.

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    Yeah I call BS too. I have a non-parent friend who happens to believe that Finnish babies simply don't cry, ever. You take them home, they sleep through the night (or not, but you just don't hear them) and you can take them anywhere without crying. She travelled next to one who didn't cry once on an international flight. Good for you dear.

    I actually read something interesting about demand feeding from an evolutionary point of view. A crying baby in the middle of the night would attract interest from predators. Demand feeding and cosleeping was necessary for survival. CIO would not have worked way back then. Seems that there was a higher survival rate for babies born to mothers with this urge. It is also how the grasp reflex came about... when we were hairy, a grasp reflex meant a baby could hang on and be carried.

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    Feed your baby on demand. Love your baby on demand. But don’t feel like an attachment parenting failure if your baby is still a screamer. Just come commiserate with me until we all survive this. I’m on facebook at 3 am if you want to chat.
    Hahaha - we are going to survive this. Talk to me in a few years and see if I have.

    I didn't realise that "one vaccination in 8 months" was the "A+++" attachment parent. Oh well, failed at that parenting philosophy too. Darn it, here was me thinking that babywearing a 4yo on occasion and still co-sleeping meant I was a good mummy. Although I do work, so there's another fail.

    Great, some babies are needier than others. Well done you for recognising that. Well done for talking attachment parenting as if it's the most normal thing that people in the street tell you to do (rarely has that been my experience). But attachment parenting isn't about a lack of vaccinations! Or maybe I missed that memo.

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    You know... I never took it literally. All babies cry sometimes

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    Some babies are just screamers. If you met my DS, you would all smile and nod knowingly. His temperament is not something I can alter, no matter how much I cuddle, co-sleep, demand feed (formula though............... pause for gasps lol) and do everything I can to calm him. I rarely bathe alone. I rarely sleep alone all night. There's always at least an hour of co-sleeping cuddles every night.

    I think there's way too much judgement out there. And this woman was right about one thing - those who follow attachment/gentle parenting and have calm babies are lucky. Nothing more. I know it's not my fault my DS is a screamer, but I find the smugness of some individuals really gets to me. Like the JP I asked to sign some documents for me. I felt like I was in the principal's office. She lectured me (because DS was crying and I was trying to focus on the business at hand) and said "If you just love him enough he won't cry. All he needs is love." I wanted to get up and throat-slam her to the floor. Was she seriously suggesting that my baby was crying because I don't love him enough?! Little does she know, I went through hell to birth him. Little does she know, I've only JUST spotted the light at the end of the tunnel. Little does she know, my journey to and through motherhood has not been easy. Still she continued to judge. "My son's wife had a miscarriage recently. They're devastated. It's so sad. You are so blessed, and so lucky." I was gobsmacked. For a moment I felt sorry for her, because she had no idea of my history......... and was about to receive a face-full of abuse. I sat for a few moments, while she continued to carry on about how blessed I am, and how I've never had to deal with that heartache..... when I lost it. I looked her right in the eye and the words came flying out of my mouth like bullets. "They aren't the only ones to experience a loss. I miscarried my first baby." I hoped that would stop her. But no. "Oh but you're ok now." She said. I asked her to define ok. "Well, you had another baby, so everything's ok now". I teared up, and shook my head. She had no idea. I disengaged from the conversation at that point, and when we were done, made a complaint to her superior. Not surprisingly, this was not the first time she'd ambushed a young mother with her inappropriate comments and 'advice'.

    The point of my story is that people should keep their mouths shut unless they know an individuals history/circumstances. And there is no magical solution to every baby's problems. There is no parenting utopia. There is no right answer. And what's right for me one day, might not be the next. Articles which suggest otherwise are simply un-helpful and a waste of time. I could be spending that time sleeping since I've been up half the night nurturing my baby. Am I a good mother now? Can I look down on others now like so many 'perfect mothers' do?

    The others are right. All babies cry. All of them. *sigh*

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    I never took it literally, either! I took it more as babies aren't left to cry themselves to quietness and weren't expected to self-soothe, made to wait 3 hours to be fed etc.
    Somehow it makes people feel better to believe that somewhere, there exists perfection!

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    my baby is a screamer too that had a hard time getting to sleep during the day, I've been told that I'm spoiling her, I shoudl let her CIO, I am creating "rods for my back" I've ignored it all and just do what she needs. Tresillian says " after 20mins of sefl setting in the cot do whatever it takes to get her to sleep"

    Good enough for me. I agree there is no perfect parenting world. Just babies that are high demand or not.

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    Tresillian says " after 20mins of sefl setting in the cot do whatever it takes to get her to sleep"
    Crazy huh? Since the science shows brain wiring has been affected after 5 mins of crying without a response.

    I never took those things literally either- more that these babies only have to make a peep and they are fed because they are always worn or cosleeping so they are right with their mumma.

    I HATE going places with baby in the car seat and he cries. It is so damn unnatural and I always think of those blissful bubbas in africa with no cars and just their mumma & a sling.

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    I never took it literally, either! I took it more as babies aren't left to cry themselves to quietness and weren't expected to self-soothe, made to wait 3 hours to be fed etc.
    Agreed. All babies cry, it's how they communicate their needs.

    I can see though, how that article might give false expectations of a perfectly happy baby who never cries for no reason... and some babies are more disposed to crying than others. So if you've done everything 'right' (and TBH, probably half killed yourself in the process given all the conflicting advice out there) what is left to do when your baby still cries?

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    Oh tresillian dont support CIO if bubs starts to get upset you are to gO in immediately and calm,

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    I think the power of a mothers intuition is highly underrated. I agree with Fleur - all babies cry, some cry more than others for whatever reason and ya know like some of the OP said, some won't stop crying no matter what you do.

    forshelby, ((hugs)) she sounds like a right *beep* (can't post those words)

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    I HATE going places with baby in the car seat and he cries. It is so damn unnatural and I always think of those blissful bubbas in africa with no cars and just their mumma & a sling.
    Oh, I feel the same!!
    Agreed. All babies cry, it's how they communicate their needs.
    They do communicate needs before the crying, as the crying is a last resort as a mama is sorting out her bilingual skills
    I was told I was spoiling my first child by wearing him, co-sleeping, breastfeeding on demand and attending to him before he cried. He still cried and he was a bit more maintenance than my second. I did exactly the same things with her and was told exactly the same thing about rods for my back yaddiyaddah and she didn't have to be sling worn nearly as long during the day, and went longer between feeds (not 3 hours, but more than hourly or less!) and would fall asleep when I had laid her down on the bed and gone to organise myself (I'd turn around and be shocked that she'd done it without me! Didn't happen very often ). Now, I've got a 5.5yo boy who happily rides his bike down our road, calling out behind him that he'll be careful of snakes, and a 2yo girl who walks on on fallen logs in creeks maintaining great balance, both of them throw their arms around me and both of them are widely loved wherever they go. Spoilt? If that's the criteria, I'll take it and run
    Happy babies. Sometimes (read: often) I'd get the signals wrong and I'd have a crying baby till I adjusted some circuits and wiggled some leads, and clearly, they're not broken because of it

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    Dunno Maya - my DS was always a "talker" so went for crying as an early option. Some babies do, despite the books saying they go for body language first. DS also refused to babysign, he just used babble that I had to decode.

    But my nearly-5-year-old is also confident and self-assured, has his own likes and dislikes, is fairly well-adjusted (considering who his parents are!) and is very, very huggy and kissy. In fact, when he's a bit too exploratory for me at the supermarket, I can lure him into the child seat by pointing out he's in front of me and we can cuddle the whole way around. But not widely-loved because he's "too high maintainance" and has "a strong will". Neither of which are a problem for me, but clearly cause other people seeing our relationship.

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    These other people need to be culled
    Well, my point was that whether they are attended to before crying or not, it doesn't mean we're 'breaking' them, if our intentions are to meet their needs, even with wires crossed!
    Anyway, I guess there are always people who will take these things literally and will feel led up the garden path and this sets them up for failure. It's not their fault, just that it gets trotted out without considering that many people will believe just that. Like SIDS in Asian countries. Just because it doesn't have a name doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I take it to mean that because it happens far, far less it doesn't have a name in those languages. As in, it's not an epidemic, it's not a 'syndrome' because there just aren't enough cases for it to merit that tag.

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    Is the expectation that prescriptive methodologies are necessary for parenting part of the underlying problem here?

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    I believe you are onto something there! I hate prescriptions. The only prescription I like is "know thy baby", because they are ALL different...oddly enough...or not! Robyn Barker doesn't know your baby. Tizzy Hall doesn't know your baby, Gina Ford doesn't know your baby. Pinky McKay doesn't know your baby and she doesn't pretend to - she works on getting mamas back on track with themselves first so that they can cut out the chatter of all the prescriptions. I don't think you'll find Pinky giving unhelpful comments like African babies never crying (or else I've totally missed that chapter in her books...)!

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    Is the expectation that prescriptive methodologies are necessary for parenting part of the underlying problem here?
    Absolutely. I actually was going to add to my previous post - the only 'advice' that should ever be given as standad IMO is (to borrow Mayaness's phrase) 'know thy baby', 'follow your instincts', and 'if it doesn't work for you, don't do it'. Verrry simple stuff.

    They do communicate needs before the crying, as the crying is a last resort as a mama is sorting out her bilingual skills
    I don't disagree (although I never got the hang of being bilingual) - I guess my point was more along the lines of, it is unrealistic to expect that you will do everything so 'right' that your baby never cries.

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    Ahh, yes, that makes sense Absolutely - everyone is learning!