Trying to Conceive after Stillbirth/Late Loss/Recurrant Miscarriage October

[Katiegirl]

Rozzie - the link didn't work for me either but I did find your photos in the gallery - and I have no idea! You would think that after having a hundred scans this preg I would be an expert at reading scans but no...I still sit here thinking 'is that the head, is that the leg...'! :lol.

Laney - I hope the appointment goes well on Friday and that you receive better news than in the past. It is always hard to face places that hold difficult memories, so I know you will be nervous etc. Definitely write down your notes and I will keep my fingers crossed that they are nice and give you a scan.

Helen - good luck with your ob appointment today. Don't worry about getting emotional, it will remind your Ob what a difficult and anxious time this is for you. I think sometimes it is good for them to see our grief, so that they can remember to be sensitive and extra vigilant for us. Definitely write down your questions as it is always so overwhelming and impossible to remember them all. Let us know how you go.

Still no news from me, I don't think this little girl realises she is meant to be making her way into this world. I think I have made her home to comfortable. Our 2nd wedding anniversary is this Tuesday, so we have decided to go our for dinner on Saturday night unless something happens first. I have a massage this morning, and really looking forward to it. My massage therapist is amazing.

Hi to all.

[hgirs]

Hello my lovelies

Just back from my appointment, where I did see a BEAUTIFUL little bubba bouncing around, YAY!! My dates are spot on too, so that is good. I have come to the conclusion that I will have a cervical suture placed, after going through everything including a very fast 3 hour labour ( and not what I would consider terribly painful) with a breech baby (Corey) before being rushed off for an Em-Section, and previous D&C for miscarriage, and the details surrounding Cooper's Birth, and a ultrasound showing shortening of the cervix etc. I feel quite relieved to have made this decision, the only thing now is to get the hospital to change their original plan of the fortnightly scans, this OB is going to write to them which should help, I don't think it will be an issue as they did say if I wanted one that is OK. The only thing concerning me a little now is the fact that if it was an infection that caused the labour to start, we could be making the chances of another infection higher by doing this. My gut feeling though is the cervix started to dilate first which then let the infection in. God I hope I am doing the right thing! I am going to have a VERY unhappy DH though.... He did say to keep clear of sex, as if there is a weakness it could make it worse, most likely not, but better to be on the safe side.

So that is my news, right now I am on cloud 9!

[sryan]

Helen

What fantastic news.... to see little bubs dancing around.

I can understand how you are feeling about the cervical suture, I think women's intuition is the best one, so go with that feeling.

I am so happy for you and DH.

xxx Sue xxx

[MrsRobbo]

Yay for Rozzie and Helen and happy scans! Go with your gut on the suture Helen. You will never know 100% what is the right thing to do but at least if you go with your gut you will feel more comfortable than if you didn't and kept wondering if you should have.

take care everyone, just a quick hi from me today!!

xox

[Laney]

Hi Ladies, I just wanted to let you know that my high-risk appt. went as well as it could have. I saw a new doctor because I was not crazy about my old one. He was great. He told me that heparin and aspirin treatment works great and that he really thinks my chances of having a healthy baby this time around is excellent. He thought the treatment would do its job even though they have no idea what is wrong with me. He said that he has treated a large number of women with similar issues with great success. It made me feel much better to talk to someone that was a bit more positive than my old doctor.

I got a quick scan in the office. The measurements were really good. A couple days farther along than my first scan said. The baby looks like a little seahorse now.

[MrsRobbo]

That's awesome Lanye. Your little seahorse looks very cute

I know I should probably already know this, but what is the heparin and aspirin supposed to do?

[Hammi]

Fantastic news Helen and Laney. So relieved and excited for you. Helen, if your DH complains about the lack of action in the months to come, tell him that there's a few other DH's on this forum sharing his predicament :-)

I had my pre-conception appt with the new ob on Friday and instantly liked him. He was an open, friendly person and as soon as I told him our history, he was all ears listening to what I had to say, offering advice and comfort where appropriate. I also liked the fact that he admitted that he can't wave a magic wand over me and give me a healthy baby, but he suggested more frequent appointments and weekly visits between 18 and 22 wks as whatever went wrong with Hamish happened in that stage.

He quickly flicked through Hamish's autopsy report and said that "mild hypercoiling of the umbilical cord" isn't a cause of death. He said whenever they use mild, it means they're not really sure. He said he would classify Ham's death as unknown. He's just going check with my old obs what blood tests I had done but he said to go ahead with TTC this month.

AF arrived today which puts my LMP at exactly the same date as Hamish's. This freaks me out but I REALLY want to get pregnant now so I think we'll just go ahead and have a go.

My naturopath has banned me from charting my temps from this cycle onwards and after hearing about Rozzie's, Tildy's, Sue's and Helen's anxiety with temps going up and down after a BFP, I guess she is right. I'm so addicted though!

Ready Jo?

Katie... is it time???

[sryan]

Hi girls,

Katie - are you still around.... has the time arrived??? I am so waiting to hear about your little girl. Thinking of you.

Laney - good news about your high risk appointment and getting to see your little bubs again. Seahorse is a fantastic description of little bubs. I am so excited for you.

Lan - I am so glad your pre conception appointment went well. It is so reasurring to get somebody you feel comfortable with. We will all be here with you also while your TTC journey begins.

Jo - How are you??? thinking of you also....

Paula - how are things with you????

Well with me, I have hit the 14 weeks mark, starting the 2nd trimester.... yeah... anyway I think, I am not totally sure, that I felt bubs yesterday..... I was feeling a kind of bubble movement just below my belly button and about 5 minutes later I sneezed and I felt this bubble movement quite strongly. Though I cant feel it all the time, so I am not completely sure.

Belly rubs to all preggies and positive vibes for all TTC girls and for those who arent in any of the categories, thinking of you all and look forward to hearing how you are.


xxx Sue xxx

[jo76]

hey girls!
Just a quickie so i apologise for no personals. Have had a really rough last few days and i have a full day on tomoorow so wanna be a nanna and get to bed early!
Have been really sick which puts my ttc this month into question as I want to be nice and healthy. on the other hand i don't want to delay so have that over my head too. i worked out if we were to fall preg this month that my due date would be the day after madisons date she was born. that has messed with my mind alot and i feel like i have seriously been quite depressed these last few days...which would'nt have helped my physical health either. (really nasty cough and burning pain in my chest when i do, phlemy and nose running and just blargh!)
We got madison and Jacks urns and i have got their ashes in them now which makes me feel both upset and happy at the same time. i feel better for knowing they are in a more beautiful resting place now but it still hurts so much that they had to be in their urns in the first place. i tols another customer the other about Madison and she said she had noticed that my stomach had been a bit bigger but had'nt wanted to say anything due to knowing what happened with jack. then tonight Josh was saying AGAIN " i know what we can name our next baby..."
Anyway, i am sorry i have'nt been aorund but on tuesday when i have a day off will give you all responses and by then hopefully "katie jnr" has made her entrance into the world!!!!
take care girls! thinking of you all!!!!!!!
x jo

[Tildy]

Jo -- sorry to hear you've been sick. I sympathize, as I have some sort of virus/flu that DH got over quickly since I forced a bunch of echinacea in him but for me it's hanging on (and I'm not allowed to take the echinacea or most other cold medicines now of course). I coughed so much yesterday that I, ahem, had to go change me knickers. A whole new world of bladder control is opening up for me (or closing, depending on how you look at it). Your physical sickness doesn't mean it isn't okay to start TTC of course, but I imagine sex isn't the first thing on your list when you're feeling like this! It's a bittersweet thing about Jack and Madison's urns. Where have you placed them? Your older kids are so sweet, but it must be so hard to hear their little comments sometimes. I think it's a lot of pressure on you to know that even Josh is already waiting for the next bubs! Hang in there, hon; tomorrow is a new day.

Susan -- A warm warm welcome to your second trimester. Any belly yet? I'm so happy for you getting to experience new things now that you haven't felt before.

Hammi -- great to hear that your pre-conception counseling went well! Now you're all set and ready to go! I think your naturopath is probably right about the charting -- I mean, I charted for just one month before getting a BFP, and it gave me lots of info (yay for numbers), but it didn't make it any easier to get pregnant or anything! We just had sex like every other day and it's not like I would have been any less pregnant if I didn't know what my temps were, right?

Paula -- the other ladies can correct me if I'm not quite right, but I believe it's like this. Aspirin and heparin are blood thinners. They make it harder for the blood to clot. A good portion of women who have repeated early miscarriages have either clotting disorders that mess up blood flow to the baby or they an over-abundance of too many or too large "myom" in their uterus (I seriously don't remember if it's called myom in English or cysts or polyps or what; it's myom in Swedish). Almost all of us have myom but in my SIL's case they were filling up here whole uterus and some were very large. They discovered this after she'd had 4 miscarriages in a row, all in week 12. The placenta just couldn't properly get attached. So she was given aspirin because it made the myom "shrink" and stopped their growth, and gave my little niece (whose 3rd birthday we celebrated today) a place to plant herself. And for the ladies with clotting disorders, it keeps the blood thinner so the cord or the placenta doesn't clot up, etc.

Grats again on finding a sympathetic doctor, Laney, one that you're comfortable with. I know it's going to be a long ways before you breathe more easily; you have had a particularly heavy burden of loss to deal with, and I just have everything possible crossed for your little seahorse.

Helen -- there's another lady in the Pregnancy thread, AngelLukesMum (whose name is also Jo) who just got a cervical stitch. Maybe you could send her a little message if you want to ask about it? She's just joined the preg thread, so you can see what she's said about it so far if you look at the last page or two. It could be good to get both the doc's perspective on it and one from another mum. Oh, and about your question about the new American prez -- I'm over the moon. I feel like my countrymen have gotten some of their marbles back, and I'm hoping that will be followed by some of our dignity. 90% of Swedes seem to be super happy about it as well, and I've seen at least 2 Swedish news anchors get teary-eyed about it!

Katie -- just wondering, how do you sit when you get a massage? I want to go in to the massage therapist that visits our office a couple times a week, but I noticed the other day that I really can't lie on my stomach anymore. Lying on my back is a little weird, too.

Rozzie -- replied to you in the Pregnancy thread.

A little cut and paste from the Preg thread about how I'm going: As for me -- I caught DH's cold, first of all. I forced a bunch of echinacea into him so he got better in two days, but I'm not allowed to take it (have been VERY careful reading labels and trying to take as little as possible even of the OK stuff), so I'm still coughing all night and feeling totally ****. We still went up to Karlstad for DH's grandma's 93rd and neice's 3rd birthdays, which was maybe dumb because MIL and FIL are smokers and I always get a bit out of shape physically at their place, but I really wanted to be there and show my semi-belly (I sort of totally don't look pregnant or look like 6 months pregnant, depending on how you look at it) and pick up the baby buggy that SIL wanted to give up. We brought it home with us today, so we officially have our first piece of baby equipment now.

Having that baby buggy, though, has been one little cog in a whole whirring machine of weepiness and emotional complexity these last few days. I haven't slept much for worry about everything baby and non-baby and my bad dreams have been extremely vivid; one that I had last night has really had me on edge for two days and causing a film of Beiron's "birth" to play again and again in my mind. I started crying in the car on the way home from Karlstad (songs on the radio made it worse -- our wedding song, plus a song that became popular after we lost Beiron called "Empty Room" that was about emptiness and loss) and by the time we got home I just erupted into one of these huge cathartic sobbing sessions. So I dunno -- I'm definitely very hopeful and confident about Kebab, but memories of Beiron are especially strong and tough right now.

I'm really looking forward to my scan tomorrow and my midwife appointment on Tuesday. They mean a great deal to me because with Beiron both were already booked when we had the miscarriage, and so now I feel like "Yes, we made it this time!" I'll let you know how it goes.

[Katiegirl]

Hi all.

Jo - sending you the biggest of hugs as it sounds like you are having a rough few days. Feeling sick coupled with missing your little ones must be very difficult. I don't think being sick will affect your TTC chances, but look after yourself anyway. I am glad that the urns have arrived and I know it must be bittersweet for you. It is wonderful that you are giving them a lovely home but at the same time it is something that no mother should have to do in the first place.

Tildy - sorry to hear that you have a bad virus. I know they say you shouldn't take echinacea but my naturopath assured me it was ok and I have taken it during this pregnancy. I have been super careful and have not had a single Panadol or any other drug pass my lips but I have been taking a lot of supplements as advised by my naturopath. I got a really bad cold around the same time as you (20+ weeks) and was soldiering through it, and I questioned her about the safety of echinacea and she reassured me. I know though, that you don't want to take any risks (trust me I have been paranoid) so do what feels right. Good luck for the morph scan and midwife appointment. I love watching your ticker move forward. It is only naturaly that around this time in your pregnancy memories of Beiron will come to the fore - just let them come and deal with them one at at time. Tears do actually help.

Sue - it definitely sounds like you felt bubs move! How exciting. I never felt Nathaniel move either so wasn't sure what to expect this time. It was exactly as you describe - but I often felt like I was being tickled with a feather from the inside. Enjoy each and every one of those early movements - they are magical. My Ob also told me that until you reach 22 weeks, you can not depend on the movements so don't worry if you go days without anything. He told me to expect them to come and go until I reached 22 weeks.

Lan - good luck with TTC this month. Temping can become obsessive! I would pore over my temps and try to decide if they looked good etc. Happy to hear that your pre-counselling went well and that your ob is supportive of you having some extra appointments over the period that you lost Hamish. I have weekly appointments from 12-20 weeks for that exact reason, and they really helped me keep my sanity. I hope your TTC journey is a short and happy one.

Laney - congrats on seeing your little seahorse again - I love that image! I am so glad that you feel comfortable with your dr and that he seems very proactive. Things are moving forward well for you - positive vibes being sent your way.

Helen - can't remember if I sent a congratulations for a great scan - if not then congratulations again! The stitch sounds like a good idea and should give you some peace of mind - try not to worry about infections. All will be well

Hi to MrsRobbo, Cindee and anyone else I haven't mentioned. I hope you are all going well and looking after yourselves.

Well I am still here!!! I woke up and went to the bathroom 4 times last night each time hoping that this time my waters would break or something would happen. I also woke up twice with some cramping and hoped that was the start of something...nope! Will this baby every come? I am getting impatient but I also would prefer that she makes her way into this world at her own time. I am really hoping I can skip being induced.

Tildy - about the massage, I now have them on my side. I have a sloped pillow placed under my stomach and a pillow between my knees (and my head is propped as well). It is really comfortable. I then roll over for the other side. I had one at 20 weeks and they had a special belly pillow that allowed me to lie on my stomach (my osteopath uses this as well). Just make sure that you go to a massage therapist that specialises in pregnancy massage and ask beforehand how you would be lying down. Some places have beds that have a whole in the middle, but the place I use don't have them as they feel they dont' offer enough support - the special belly pillow works well and it comfortable.

[sryan]

Hi girls,

Katie, -

Sue - it definitely sounds like you felt bubs move! How exciting. I never felt Nathaniel move either so wasn't sure what to expect this time. It was exactly as you describe - but I often felt like I was being tickled with a feather from the inside. Enjoy each and every one of those early movements - they are magical. My Ob also told me that until you reach 22 weeks, you can not depend on the movements so don't worry if you go days without anything. He told me to expect them to come and go until I reached 22 weeks.

Thanks for letting me know this, as I probably would have started freaking about not feeling the bubs, havent felt anything since then, so you made me feel heaps better.

Tildy - Glad everything is going well with you, yes I am getting the "bump", lucky I always wore clothes too big for me to work, but they are getting tighter!!!!

Jo - sorry you have been sick. Look after yourself and get yourself better for your TTC journey. When we conceived our current bub, my DH was so sick with pneumonia, but still did the BD. Must admit we were a little worried about it after we found out we had conceived a miracle.....

Hello to everyone else and hoping you are having a fantastic day.

xxx Sue xxx

[Hammi]

Sue, the first movements do feel like bubbles! Congrats. So exciting!!!

Jo, eggs take up to four months to grow so the ones you have now having been brewing since July. But of course you have to make sure that you're feeling up to BD-ing because every act could be the start of your new child's life.

Good to hear from you Tildy. How wonderful that you're looking at buying baby things. You guys are making me so eager.

Katie, did you keep taking the horse pills from your naturopath throughout this pregnancy? I was looking at mine this morning and thinking they won't be fun to swallow with morning sickness.

Hi all!

[Katiegirl]

Lan - yes I am still taking them all of my horse tablets - about 12 a day I think! I started back in Jan one month before I fell pregnant and also took a disgusting herbal tonic for a few months too but haven't lately. I feel better for taking all the supps as I know it measn that even if my diet is not always great the baby is getting what it needs and so am I. People have all commented on how healthy I have looked throughout, so who knows maybe the tablets have helped. My naturopath wants me to continue taking them post-birth as well to help with breastfeeding etc.

[Rozzie27]

Hi all,

Sue, first movements, how exciting!! they'll only get stronger and cuter.

Katie, I hope mini-Katie makes an appearance soon, I understand you not wanting to be induced. It's good that you have that option though, I was told that after I'm a week overdue I have to have a C-section because they won't induce once you've had a C-section so I hope you're here when I'm panicking about my baby being late!

Tildy, hope your scan was wonderful today!!! Have you felt any flutters yet? I'm with you on the vivid dreams, I haven't had any for a while but last night was an awful one with lots of blood. But I guess it's only natural for our subconscience to release our worst fears in our dreams.

Jo, I'm sorry to hear you're sick, but I don't think it would be a problem for your bubba-to-be. It's so difficult to try and time conceiving so that sensitive dates don't line up, and in your case you have two sets of dates to deal with. This baby is due 3 weeks before Edward was born, but I was so baby-obsessed nothing was going to stop me. In the end you have to do what feels right, and hope that nature co-operates with your plans!!! Good luck and I hope you feel better soon.

Lan, I'm so pleased your doctor was good, I'm sure it's helped you be more positive about TTC. I understand what you mean about being desperate to conceive regardless of how badly timings line up... nothing was going to stop me!!! It's a bit different but my LMP started on the same day as last time (a Saturday) which meant this time I knew exactly what happened at the same stage last time (the bleeds, the scans, the loss of movement etc...) which at first I thought was bad, but then I realised I would have compared things and ticked off stages anyway, so at least it was easier. So if you're anything like me you would have been doing this anyway. I also look at the due date as a new beginning now as well as a sad anniversary, and I think that helps.

Congrats to Laney and Helen on their lovely scans, and also for getting good medical attention. I hope it can both give you extra confidence.

Hi to Cindee and Paula and anyone else I've forgotten...

As for me, I've left the abstinence club hahaha!!! Sorry if this is TMI, but after one too many dreams about sex I initiated it on Friday. DH was quite surprised, but happy!!! Also part of my reluctance was that my previous doctor had mentioned that late second trimester losses can occasionally cause cervical incompetance (much less often that he had me needlessly worry about) but after our perfect scan the cervix looked great so I felt a bit more confident. It was a bit physically uncomfortable though, I remember thinking last time after we broke the 1st trimester drought that there was no way a baby's head would have enough room to come out hahaha!!

And inevitably the worry has started, bub hadn't moved as much and as strongly over the evening and day. I know it's early but I can't help it. It moved all day, just little ones I wasn't sure about. So I got out my doppler and sure enough the first thing I heard was static and swooshing as baby moved and I could actually feel it as well, then a big kick I could hear plus a loud H/B. This baby sure is a kicker. I should be able to see it from the outside soon, I remember seeing it at 21 weeks last time.

Anyway, good luck to our TTCers, belly rubs to us preggos, and whatever you say to encourage a baby to vacate its home to Katie!!!

[jo76]

hey girls!
Well, TTC has kind of started, we had a panicked withdrawal at the last minute the other night but we have committed, so will see where my body takes us this month. The only reason i was so worried about being unwell is i just feel it is ANOTHER set back and with 2 pregnancies not turning out as planned i don't want to start off on the wrong foot. Do you get me? Sounds stupid and ridiculously paranoid but there it is. Would'nt be the first time!! jacks birth date is also rapidly approaching - it is hard to believe it has almost been a year. So i'll have his date and then madisons EDD date on the 9/12 to contend with. So much all at once...
and now for you guys -i feel like i have neglected you all a bit and i am sorry!
rozzie - So glad your scan went well. With josh he spread his legs for all the world to see within a few minutes of the ultrasound starting and it was so obvious what he was that even DH could tell! At least the shots will give you some fun studying time!
hgirs - good luck with the sutures - do what you feel is best. Sometimes when we are given more options it makes us more confused! But thinking of you either way!
katie - you know what i'm gonna say....hoping you are keeping well! (and bubs and DH!)
hammi - so glad you feel comfortable with your new OB. It makes the biggest difference now and moving forward. Thinking of you and wishing you luck for this month!!!!
syran - for 14 weeks! that is really wonderful -how are you feeling about it? Those early bubbled feelings are so exciting -it is the start of more wonderful things to come!
Laney - I am so happy to hear that your scan went well and bubs is measuring fine. And more importantly that your Ob is more positive -it is hard for us to be that way sometimes but it is better for us to have someone in that frame of mind who is treating us!
tildy -thanks for your thoughts! But i am sending you loads of love and hugs right now...your one day at a time advice for me rings true for you! Cry as much as you need! sometimes it needs to come out!
Josh wants me to open his spiderman gift (fromhis birthday so how it has'nt been opened i have no idea!) so need to go! Hi to everyone i have missed!
xxjo

[Tildy]

Jo -- I know what you mean about being sick and TTC; it's just one more thing that you don't need. And then the fact that there are some rough dates coming up for you soon. And I'm definitely crying as much as I need -- maybe more! I've very suddenly hit a rough patch that actually has little to do with the pregnancy, maybe even BECAUSE the pregnancy has been going so smoothly now for a while. Everything else that was shoved to the back is now surfacing. My counselor was super helpful yesterday, though, and I came home with no less than 7 "homework" assignments from her.

Rozzie -- yes, my scan went well! Everything was as it should be. And today there's suddenly LOTS of activity in there! Bing bang boom, Kebab is starting to beat up mommy a bit. Finally! I know you can't help but be worried when you're not feeling any movement. You have that critical milestone of 22 weeks coming up; remind yourself to take some deep breaths and stay positive!

Hammi -- The baby buggy is still sitting in the car, and we only got half of it home with us anyway (half was at MIL's house and half at SIL's!). :P So I haven't, as one might have expected, taken it out and tested it or whatever... ugh. But I promised myself a while ago that I would buy some baby thing when we hit 20 weeks, I just don't know what yet. Since our house is even more chaotic after us being sick, maybe it'll just be a stuffed animal or something... we're a long ways away from the baby's room being empty and waiting for input. So, when do we get to start crossing our fingers for your BFP?

Sue -- yay for a bump! And for the movements, of course. I personally don't recognize the tickled with a feather/fish tail thing that everyone says -- perhaps I've felt it but never noticed -- but since yesterday I suddenly feel more like actual little kicks and punches and stuff. So I think I skipped over the tickle phase!

Thanks for your kind words, Katie. I think you're right about memories of Beiron; they are coming up very strongly now because I'm finally feeling confident about this pregnancy. That means that instead of grieving Beiron's loss as a bad omen/reason to worry about the future and about this pregnancy, I'm suddenly re-grieving it as its very own incident and it needs to be dealt with anew.

Oh, and I just learned something new, after surfing some pregnancy info after lunch. Aspirin is apparently also used to prevent pre-ecclampsia (sp? It's called havandeskapsf?rgiftning in Swedish!), so there's yet another use of blood thinners. It's funny btw how I often have to look up English words in a Swedish-English dictionary when it comes to pregnancy and TTC -- I never talked about or read about this stuff back home, ha!

[Laney]

Hi Ladies,

Jo, I am glad to hear that you and your DH have made up your minds to try again. I think that is a very difficult thing to do. It sounds like you have a few very difficult weeks ahead of you. I will be thinking of you on Jack's Birthday and Madison's EDD. I know what you mean about wanting everything to be perfect to try again. Unfortunately there is usually not a perfect time. I tried to plan this pregnancy around EDDs and birth dates. When I got pregnant my husband was sick with a cold. It didn't really work out for me either but I am glad to be pregnant again. I will be due a couple of weeks after we lost Shelby and a couple of weeks before we lost Parker. If everything goes well this time around there is a very good chance that I will have to mourn Shelby and Parker and celebrate a birthday days apart. I hope that the pain I feel when I think of my angels gets a little bit easier to manage in the future.

Tildy, try to take it one day at a time and stay positive. Bringing home the baby buggy is a huge step. I think my bub will have to be born before I let my DH bring one in the house.
The aspirin and heparin help the placenta set up a good blood supply and keeps the blood flowing. Pre-ecclampsia usually happens when the placenta doesn't have a very good blood supply so aspirin should help.

Rozzie, try not to worry hun. The baby could turn around and kick in which you wouldn't feel as much. Dopplers are a great to have at home. It really made me relax to know that the baby was moving around with a good HB. I don't know if/when I will be able to get mine out of the closet again. When we knew that Shelby was having problems the Doppler took on a different role for us so I have mixed feelings about it now.

Sue, I started to feel big kicks every once and a while at about 15 weeks. When the doctor put the Doppler on my belly at 15/16 weeks Shelby would do flips. They only get stronger and more frequent from here.

MrsRobbo, I don't know all of the reasons how and why aspirin and heparin work but they help the placenta set up shop. They both help the placenta implant into the muscle and set up a good blood supply in the second trimester. Once the blood supply is set up they keep the blood thin so clots don't form in the placenta and stop blood flow.

Lan, Good luck with TTC. I know it is difficult but try to let the process be fun. I tried to keep track of my temps for one cycle but I think it was easier and less stressful to just have sex everyday.

Katie, Anything yet?
I read that you said your sister had two late losses. Did the doctors ever find out why she had them or if your loss could have been from the same cause? I hope that you don't mind me asking. I am just really looking for success stories to keep me positive.


I had my regular OB appt yesterday. My doctor is going on vacation so I am going to have to wait 3 1/2 weeks. I have been going in every 2 weeks and soon to be every week. I set up my appt for my 12 week ultrasound in the office. I just can't believe it is almost time for that already. I am starting to freak out a little bit because we will know in a couple of months if this pregnancy is going to get past that 28 week mark.