Alicia - I am starting to try and set a routine with Loren now. I don't feel that she is sleeping long enough during the day so I am trying hard to get her to increase day time sleeps by encouraging a set routine. Basically I am starting with getting her to go down at the lunch time, (like DD1 does) and I try and put her back to sleep if she wakes after one sleep cycle. I am also putting her down around 8.30 at night. Additionally I have a set way of putting her down so that she knows that it is time to sleep. In saying this I am not forcing her or using control crying etc. I have just noticed that she is setting a pattern lately and I am trying to re-enforce it iykwim.