IK: I hope i haven't given you poor advice regarding attachment! I repeat: I'm no expert! Just because it's something I have been lucky enough to "get away with" doesn't mean that it's right for everyone. Like Nic has explained: nipples come in all shapes and sizes (mine have a good "teat" part to latch onto) so I have probably been able to get away with a poorer technique than most. What I meant to emphasise was to beware the Perfectionist Untrained Advisor like MCHNs/Midwives who haven't done specialised lactation training. They can often make a situation worse (I think) by insisting that a women feed text-book style every second of feeding when, in real life, women have issues like tending to other children, cooking a meal, shopping and sleeping that they need to do at the same time as BFing. Did the midwife at the hospital I was at with Wade help me BF whilst I was lying down in bed with him beside me? No! I had to be sitting correctly in an appropriate arm chair, with an appropriate cushion, etc etc etc.... in reality women can't give every feed this way... some need to feed in bed and that's ok but the baby's position is totally different... that's why my rule of thumb is the "no pain" one. The baby's mouth still has to be nice and wide etc but in terms of positioning the advice really should be more flexible. Anyhow, as I said, I just wanted to point out that from my experience a lot of health professionals will tend to treat the nursing woman's body as a milking machine to be "fixed" rather than a mum to be supported... that's what i don't want to see happening to my June Buddies!