Babies Born March 1st-15th 2008 #6

[marknjo]

It is the same routine whether they are BF or bottle. Maybe if she can't go the distance between feeds then she isn't getting enough milk? I don't know I am no expert!

Re controlled crying. The author Tizzie Hall doesn't believe in it either. Basically you put them to bed and if they cry only go in if it is an emotional cry. If it is a protesting cry then you leave them as they are not really upset. You leave them for 18 minutes (minimum) - if they stop protesting for 5 seconds or more then the 18 minutes starts again. If they are still crying after the 18 minutes you go in and soothe them and you stay with them for 46 minutes or until they go to sleep. If they are still protesting after 46 minutes you get them up for a 10 minute break and then you start again.

On the first night, it took us sitting with her for the 46 minutes before she went to sleep. On the second night it only took sitting with her for 20 minutes. On the third night she went down without a fight. Occasionally she wakes up after an hour and we just go in and soothe her and sit in there until she goes back to sleep usually no more than 20 minutes.

If Caitlin is crying with tears and obviously sobbing, we get her up and cuddle her until she settles down and then try putting her down again after 10-15 minutes and she usually goes down on the second attempt.

[all girls]

can you pat her in the cot sj? Summer went through months of pulling herself straight up to stand in the cot even if she was so tired she still does it but if i sit there and pat her she usually goes to sleep.

[~clover~]

Hellooooo my darlings!!
I'm baaaack!
The beach is as gorgeouse as I remember it!
I'll read back through & catch up later tonight!
Jesse's crawling properly & has started throwing tanty's. Throwing himself around! Oh & standing up! Cheeky devil!
Catch up later!!!!!!!

[india44]

Welcome back sweety missed you xxxx

[prama]

damn.. i wrote a long post and accidently pressed the back button, and lost it.

bron - thanks for that, i shpuld ahve googled it. sounds very painful
at least you dont have to travel to syd for the treatment...

trina - lol.. no way there's another one on the way.. im just over-exhausted i think.
sorry that your mum's moved away... it's hard bringing up 4 kids, hope xh continues supporting the girls.

skye - WELCOME BACK DARL!!!

jo/sj - this is what we've been doing the last couple of days.. isn't this CC?
we used to pick him up each time he cried and he'd calm down and fall asleep then as soon as we put him down he'd cry again. sometimes we've had to hold him for a couple of hrs int he middle of the night, but he'd still cry as soon as we put him down.
so we thought we'd try this: it's CC isnt it?
when he cries we go pat him till he calms down. first let him cry for 3 mins, then go pat him...then 5, go pat him, then 10, 15 till a max of 20mins. he stops crying hwen we pat him, then as soon as we stop or walk out the room he cries again. it's very hard. the other night he just cried for the 20mins and finally fell asleep himself.
i sat in the lounge room and cried too. it was so hearbreaking cos he was really really crying, sobbing. i could see on the baby monitor that he's pulled himself up and holding onto the cot and looking at the door and crying. but it's not an emotional cry, he just wants us there w him.

and then he wakes up again a several times at night. it's so exhausting.

he normally falls asleep as im giving h im his last milk feed. so i thot maybe he gets upset cos he falls asleep in my arms and wakes up in his bed. so tonight, he fell asleep in his cot. so maybe things will change. but i guess also cos we've been travelling to malaysia and so much changes, might have caused everything to go crazy for him.
i really dont know what to do anymore
we go to tresillian residential care in january, i hope i can stay sane till then, im super exhausted and going crazyy.

anyway, on a funnier note, the MG girls and i went to a playcentre (shell, it's near you, at annangrove road, cotton kids) and we put poopy and this other baby girl close together and he went close to her, touched her face and kissed her cheek!!! hahahahahah

[danniellabella]

I worked something out today... Jazz says "dadda" all the time when she's happy but doesn't seem to say "mum" unless she's upset. Why does dad get happy bub and mum get sad bub? LOL
Managed to get her to sleep easily tonight. She was heaps tired so I went and changed her and put her in something a bit warmer coz tonight is going to be cooler than the last 2 nights, then put her in her cot and offered her the bottle which she wasn't interested in. Gave her a dummy instead, held one hand while I gently stroked her head, she was out like a light in about 3 mins!

She was sliding backwards tonight and ended up half in our cat's bed!

[~clover~]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, I wrote a biiig post & lost it! Darn computer! That'll teach me for going back & forth between folding & typing, huh!

Well, I'll see ifI can remember any of it.

First of all, to Lily! & congrats (a bit belated) to you on your not so new bub!

to Trina, Thinking of you heaps. I'm glad that Chris is pulling his weight & I hope it keeps up for you. Poo to your mum leaving & weaning. How's our little escapee going? She's not walking yet?? Maybe you'll get lucky & that'll slow her down a bit! (For a whole week even!!! Lol!!)

Danni -You are really lucky. You have a perfect baby. One bad night here & there is nothing. Jesse still wakes at least twice a night. More if he's in the cot.

SJ - BF bubs usually feed moreoften coz ooby juice is so good for them it digests very easily & doesn't keep them full for as long as FF for that reason. Solids helps, but BF/FF is still their main source of goodness.

Bron - Hope everything's going well for you & that you are feeling better.

Teach - Good to hear from you!

Prama - Welcome home again. I wish your family could've come home with you

Shell - How's DJ? The pro biotics sound like a good idea.

Hi Jo - Love the new pic of Caitlin! She's a cutie!!

I had so much more written. Going back now to check!!

Jesse loooooves his water. He has a sipper cup thing, but its got a sofft teat on it. He has a hard id onetoo, but I don't think he gets anything out of it. I have also just used a normal cup. As I said, heloves it. If I start I can't stop.
He throw's tanty's now. Throws his head back with the poo's & screams! It's funny, & it hurts! He's standing on everything he can & has a new best mate. Wally, mum's pup. They eat, play & explore together!
I'm off to Coffs shopping tomorrow. Going to check out this Aldi! Finally!! & get some chrissy laybying out of the way.

I best be gettin to bed.
Night all...

[Sammiejane]

Morning all..

Jo thanks for the info.
re the feeding, my CMHN says that she should not have dropped any of her BF yet (maybe around 10 mths) and it is usual for at this age for them to pick up an extra one overnight.
Supply is not an issue, the ony possibility is that she gets really distracted when feeding (she just wont sit still long - like her daddy) and possibly pulls off before she is actually finished. I think if we have friends over or if DSS is around i will feed her in her room to try and help with this.

Re the sleeping, now before i start i want to say that i am not having a go or saying that anyone is wrong or anything, this is just my opinion and i believe everyone has to do what is right for them and they are comfortable with. So please dont anyone think i am saying anything about them or they way they do things...
Right. IMO i would class that form of getting to sleep as a form of CC and am not happy to do it.
Yes she is crying cos i have left the room, but i know that i am coming back, she does not at this age and therefore she becomes anxious and upset, i would prefer to stay with her until she is settled/asleep and then leave the room.

What i have been doing at night time is reading to her when she is in her cot, she ends up getting upset with being in there (TBH i can see her point, during the day she is active and allowed to roam around and at night she is put in a room (which she does play in during the day at times) that is dark and there is something stopping her from getting out to us) So at this point i start patting, usually it doesnt work, and she gets more upset, so then she gets picked up and held/rocked in the chair to almost sleep and then put down.
Overnight, when she wakes and cries, i have tried holding off for 30secs/min to go in, but the crys esculate and she is more likely to need picking up... usually she will go off to sleep with just patting, but sometimes she needs a feed overnight (last night she needed 2, but that is rare and i think its cos of the heat)

PRAMA - i use to have exactly the same problem... no matter how asleep MJ was, as soon as she hit the cot she would wake and cry. I too resorted to sleeping in a chair with her at times and was up for hours and really frequently. I feel for you it is so hard and exhausting.
2 things that worked for us... we started co-sleeping on the bad nights, she was up high in the bed in the gap between the pillows. this way when she stirred we could pat her back to sleep straight away and she was less likely to wake... then we moved bac to the cot. I was prepared to put a mattress down next to the cot so i could do the same thing, but she was already starting to resettle herself due to the co sleepiing...
ALSO i noted that she slepted heaps better if she was lying face down on me, so i tried sleepping her face down on her tummy and you know what it worked, she sleeps for longer stretches now and is less unsettled. The only time she sleeps on her back is when she is in our bed.
I checked with our CMHN and she said that it was fine so long as she could roll herself over if she wanted and also so long as we made sure that we stuck to all the other SIDS recommendations... she also added that loads of babies roll themsleves in their sleep at this age, so its was fine to put her down this way.

Sorry for the novel everyone, Prama, i hope things get better for you, it sounds really tough
Thanks for the info Jo i do appreciate it and will keep trying to impliment the times that you listed, with an extra feed in there somewhere - usually she has 6/day +/- a night feed
Skye welcome back and trina good to hear fromyou... will bbl

ETA - its not the waking that i have problems with now, its the actually putting to sleep initially... now when she wakes its usually quite easy to send her back to sleep

[prama]

thanks sj - no worries.
im not going to let him cry again like that... it's madness...
he settled a bit better last night. not sure if it was all that crying from the other night, or we've put him in a sleeping bag with just a top. thot it might make him more snug.
he sleeps on his tummy too.
when he's really restless, we do put him in our bed.. but dont want to make it into a habit.
having said that, he wakes up at 4.30, for a feed, then 5ish as soon as it's light and he grizzles a lot (cant settle him). so we just put him in our bed and he sleeps straight away for another 2 hrs.

have to run..

Lakshman's 9 whole months today!!!!!!!!!!

[Sammiejane]

Hi again,
Prama, thats what we did too.
When i did some reading, i found that mainly babies were underdressed for night time and although we thing that we have loads on them, they actually get cold and thats why they wake... maybe this is the case with poopy if he slept better when he was a bit more snug MJ wears a singley, legless bodysuit, bonds wondersuit, sleepingbag and a sheet and a blanket. Sounds like loads i know... the room is about 20C for these clothes, we adjust down when its warmer and up in winter

Happy 9 mths Lakshman... hard to believe that he has spend more time on the 'outside' now!!! how amazing

DANNI - maybe Jazz says your name when shes upset cos she knows that you will fix her or cuddle her or do what ever it is that she needs. I wouldnt be sad about that, its not that she loves you more, but she needs you more and its those times thats she really calls out for you. I think that its lovely

Trina - sorry about your Mum leaving. It must be tough for you. I hope Chris is pulling his weight and contributing when he is around and not making life miserable for you.

Skye - Is anth coming up, i notice that you are trialing going solo, all OK? You sound happy.
Cute that Jesse is playing with the Pup (thats DH's name !!!) MJ loves our dog and cat too, although the cat is really annoyed that we have introduced yet another annoyance in her life, first a puppy now a baby

Bron hope you are OK, you too Shell

[danniellabella]

Danni -You are really lucky. You have a perfect baby. One bad night here & there is nothing. Jesse still wakes at least twice a night. More if he's in the cot.

Believe me, she is not always like that.