Thanx for al;l your replies, maybe because he only has to squeal for something and the kids get it for him, might improve when school goes back. Finally we have a sunnyday here in Brissy and can get some washing done, not that I feel like it though. I got my DD booklist for next year in the mail today and I can't beleive she is grade 8 this year HIGH SCHOOL time really does fly..........anyway must go can here the banging upstairs so off to investigate what they are up to.