thanks caro. i'm sorry you had such an ordinary night. I shouldn't complain, it wasn't that bad, but because it's so rare it really hits hard! Feeling much better this arvo. have been at mothers group which was really good, all the ladies seem very nice and all the babies are between 8 and 10 weeks which is good (one is 5 months but born 2.5 months early so developementally she is 10 weeks). It was good to be around other mums and see that their babies cry too! got my parents for dinner tonight as i didn't feel like being alone and DH is at work again. funny though, 3 other women in the group delivered at the same hospital as me, which i thought was great, they all didn't think it was that good. funny how everyone has different experiences.