Babies Born ~ November 1st -15th 2011 #3

Lol don't feel like it is your fault. Colic/reflux babies are difficult by nature as they are in pain. Jessica usually only sleeps about two hours in total during the day. I've given up on trying to settle her as it's no point. I've found if she wants to sleep she will. Some days are better than others. In time things will improve. It's not worth the mental drain as it's out of my control.

She feeds every 3 hours so it is usually 10 or 11pm we put her down for the night at midnight. Then we cross fingers! She is now in the cot. Sometimes she wakes at 3:30, other times 4-4:30, a few times she has woken 6:30-7. Every day is different. I know it is easy to get down, just don't compare Lilly with other babies. You really can't settle her if she has colic/reflux but you can make sure she us comfortable :)

Nikky wow that is wonderful that she is a sleeper!

Amanda gosh what a huge weight gain!!! You must have awesome breast milk!!

Mollie DH goes back to work tomorrow too :( It is hard to get used to it again. But I'm sure we will.

I went to my inlaws yesterday for father in law bday. They decided to sit outside for lunch and my SIL took the corner of the table near the house and parked her kids in front of her. We were left to sit at the other end of the table past the others in the middle in front of the BBQ which had smoke pouring out of it!! I went inside with Jess on my own. Also it was quite windy and the side we were put was very uncomfortable. To top it all off DS has nut allergies which I've told them millions of times. Out comes several bowls of pistachio then the bday cake is covered in chopped almonds. I told MIL that if he ate it we'd be off to the hospital. She saw it more as a pain for them that they couldn't have nuts. I was fuming for hours just at how they just think of themselves. I wish DH would be more assertive there. He kept trying to get me to go outside and he'd take Jess but I didn't want to!

Amanda I would only put something mild on it like sudocream or pawpaw ointment. Also Amanda that's crap about the WC vacs we got ours in hospital but yes you should be getting a booster shot yourselves as well as grandparents they say as well. Wow what a chubba you have LOL Abby is still under 5kg well was on Thursday anyway.

Lolpigs your a great mum don't ever doubt that. Could it be something that you are eating that Is upsetting her. Maybe you could try a couple of days of just solely FF and freeze the EBM to keep it and monitor her for a couple of days then reintroduce the EBM to see what happens. As for the 10pm feed I generally will feed Abby anywhere from 3-5am then continue 3-4 hourly during the day but if I find her 10pm will be out by over an hour that night I will bring a couple of feeds closet together say 3hrly so it lines up to 10pm that night. She is generally bathed around 6:30pm then a 7pm feed then she is tired and i put her in the bassinet to self settle or DH settles her while I cook dinner, this way we all get to sit and eat together as Abby is normally asleep by that time. For the 10pm feed I then change her nappy and pop the bottle in her mouth gently cos she is normally still asleep then it's straight to bed. I try to sit in the lounge room with her in the dark with no noise or tv on for this feed too.


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Thanks guys :hug: Just gets a bit depressing sometimes. Especially now she is being unsettled at night as well, we used to at least have that ok.

Jan did you know you can adjust the seat on the swing? DH did it and it is more upright now we did it because bubs is bigger.

I might try that, I'll try a 10pm dream feed tonight if she is going ok and see how that goes. So just change the nappy and feed her in bed? Or get her up? I dont know if she would stay asleep for a Nappy change and feed after being asleep but you never know. Her room is normally pretty quiet as well and dark at this time. She last ate at 12, so I'll try feeding her 4 hourly today to see if I can make her feeds smaller too to be easier on her stomach.

That's a good idea Dan, I might just problem is she knows the difference between my BM and the Formula and prefers the BM lol. I have no clue what it would be that is upsetting her I just try and have a balanced diet. Not much spicey foods, a little caffine only 1 glass of milk a day etc.

Her last feed she ate 240ml of BM!, but the feed before only took 100 ml of formula but that was right before a colic attack so it seems dependant on that. How do you freeze the BM, just in the bottles?

Danni- good idea, I'll use sudocream, that stuff works do well on her nappy rash! And yeah I thought it was weird about the WC vacs- the dr was like, well if you really want to we can do a blood test and check your immunity but it's not standard- er, did she somehow miss the memo about WC vacs?!

Jan- OH MY GOSH I'd have been furious!!! How unbelievably selfish!!! I'd have burst into tears of anger I reckon! I can't believe how selfish they are with your DS' allergies- nut allergies are serious, how dare they!!!! I'm furious on your behalf! Oh inlaws, they really can be absolutely horrid!

Amanda that doc is full of poo and I'd be going elsewhere. For nappy rash I either use sudocream or amolin - but have been lucky enough to not have any thus far.

Jan, really not cool! :hug: I would've been sooo angry I would've either told DH to deal with it or we leave.

Just bit the bullet and bought a trial pack of itti bitti tutto nappies - I've been toying with the idea of cloth for while but have been hesitating because ordinarily I loathe washing and folding stuff. DH turned around and said just to try them see how I go with it before deciding, so got the trial pack on sale with 6 nappies, some cloth wipes and a wet bag for $185 instead of $230 as they're having a big sale at the moment :)

Alex has been sleeping a lot today, we've had a pretty busy couple of days and a couple of late-ish nights so I guess he's just a bit tired because he's soooo busy looking around at everything. We have his check with the CHN on Tuesday, will be interesting to see what he weighs in at because he's getting pretty chubby, but is also really long.

Had a go at my ex the other day, DD has been having problems at school and he just hasn't been passing on info to me, so I haven't really been able to help her much. I asked him about parent/teacher interviews, he tells me they were a few months ago but he didn't tell me about them at all. Oh and we were discussing what was going to happen with DD's child support payments while I'm not working, he says he's gotten behind while he's not been working etc which ok I get that he relies on the money from me but he goes and lists things like the video card in his computer - ummm, I'm not financing your WoW habit dude! Grrrrrrr he irritates me sometimes!

Jan - I cant believe how selfish they all were!! They should be more considerate of your DS' allergies!! How inconsiderate of your SIL, even though she has kids as well she could have offered you a chair near the house as well!!!

Amanda - If I told my dr what your dr said she would probably call them a clown!! she was adamant when I was preg that me, DH, my mum, dad and IL's all have it done!

Mollie- yeah that's what I thought! As far as I heard, it's not that important to get the vaccine for your individual baby's protection but to help stop the WC epidemic ATM? Or did I get that wrong? Regardless I was shocked that she thought it wasn't a standard thing. There were signs up in the hospital everywhere about it!

CK ughhhhh that's heaps annoying of your ex! Especially with the WoW thing... Uhhh!! Could you ask the school to keep you updated themselves because he wont pass on the info? Or is that a bit beyond what a school would do?

Been busy in here today.

Levi is 6.28 kg as of Wednesday lol.

His last feed is anywhere from 8:30 to 10pm. He will not go to sleep before 10pm though or he cracks it.

Mr grumpy pants had the poos on big time. Screamed and cried from 7pm to 9:30pm. He had trouble passing wind and then over heated from the muggy weather and yelling. He was sorted and Asleep by 10pm.

The thing is, he's usually pretty good...just the talk of DD moving here has him worried about how he'd cope on his own I think. It's sorta backfired though as at the end of next year we said we'd revisit the idea and I'm now in less of a mind to let her stay with him next year and as she starts to move into puberty etc.

Lolpigs yep I change nappy, feed holding baby on the couch then straight back to bed pretty much. I find Abby pretty good being able to put to bed in a pitch black room, she sometimes stirs but it's dark so she goes straight back to sleep. Yes you can you use the bottles to freeze in but the ABA site has what you can and can't do with the storage of milk.

CK yeh could imagine it might be awkward for your DD to talk to her dad about girly things.

My itti bitti tutto's are leaking :(. She only pee'd once but I guess she did soak through the soaker pads but then it come out near the legs.


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TMI ALERT... So around Christmas time I had a bit of bleeding, brownish kinda like old blood... Tonight when I went to the toilet I have bright red blood... I'm a little concerned that something might be wrong :(

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Could be the return of your period maybe?

Lol does Lilly still need the Losec? Maybe stopping the medicine has made her more unsettled? How were you giving it to her? I crush it and mix it in a little cooled boiled water. Then put it in the syringe. Through trial and error I have found that having her in the pram which is elevated works well and I babble at her then as she opens her mouth I put it in then distract her by being silly until the whole lot goes in. Then I give her bottle of milk straight after to get it down. I used to hold her and try to give the Losec that way but it was harder and she would cry.

Jessica doesn't like the swing I think mainlu because of the movement, doesn't like the sensation. I gave up on it and am giving it away to my SIL. How is Lilly going tonight?

Mollie, not sure could it be AF coming back?

CK - could you ask your DD to keep you posted on these sorts of things? Schools have the dates of these things set way in advance at the beginning of the year/term. You could ring the school to find out the dates and put them in your diary. Does she have a school diary? Most schools you can communicate with her homeroom teacher and ask questions or ring and leave a message for the teacher. Lots of ways you can find out info. Or pop in and ask the school office. Schools are usually very easy to get info out of unless there is a court order restriction prohibiting information. You could also ask to see DD's school newsletters they are usually full of dates etc.

I'm definitely going to be taking a bit more action when it comes to DD's schooling this year, that's for sure - I'm planning on setting up a meeting with her class teacher and the deputy principal to go over what's happening and everything, and see if I can be set up as a contact for notification via email if possible. Relying on DD wouldn't work, she only remembers things the day they're about to happen if that - speaking from previous experience. I guess since I was working full time last year and didn't really have a lot of involvement with her schooling I was trusting XP to relay, he always had done reasonably before but has majorly dropped the ball this past year. Ugh, somehow I have a niggly suspicion that relations with the ex may well turn nasty - which will be a shame as we've always been quite amicable. Exes...right royal pains in the butt if you ask me!

Jan - No Pead told us to stop giving it to her. We tried many times to give it to her before a feed but she just always spat it all back up so we were giving it in her bottle, but he thought that was a waste of time and told us we could stop. Most of her symptoms are around when she poops rather than when she feeds which is more Colic than reflux is that right?

Tonight she ate at 4pm, 7:30pm, 11:30pm and now at 3:15am and again at 6:35am Thats more than usual, however we have had her on I'm going to try and keep her to 3.5-4 hourly feeds tomorrow so long as her Colic dosent get in the way, I'm trying Dan's suggestion of trying FF for a day or 2 to see if something in the BM is upsetting her tummy. If it is I'm not really sure what to cut out. BM I guess. Shame. I didn't even do the dream feed as she woke hungry at 11:30pm.

Should I try feeding her more often in the evenings do you think or just stick with every 3.5-4 hours? I don't want to change too much and pretty much just go along with whatever she wants with feeding atm.

Since about 6pm we haven't had any Colic episodes and that one was only mild as it only lasted an hour which is positive.

It is also super humid here atm, and she hates the heat so I think this is also contributing to her unsettled behaviour, its hard to sleep when its hot as we all know and I think this is why she is feeding more often too I guess?

It's 6:30am and I can't sleep :( Levi woke for a feed at 6am. Now I'm wide awake. Mind you he's talking to himself I could just go play with him lol.

Our night time routine is change, feed and sleep. That way if he gets worked up from being changed, the feed will calm him down enough to go straight back to sleep. During the day it's whatever goes.

Taking to my friend yesterday, her little boy is 15 weeks old. I didn't really think about it much...that's 4 months old!!! Levi is 2 months old this week :( I think I'll stick to counting in weeks, it makes him sound younger lol.

Lolpigs my routine yesterday feed wise was 3:30am, 8am, 12noon, 3:30pm, 7pm, 9:30pm - they were all led by Abby. Today so far we have been 2:30am & 7:30am, she seems to have stretched herself out to 5hrs this morning so far and will feed again getting closer to midday then we can follow her normal afternoon routine fairly closely. I also noticed yesterday Abby struggled to finish around the 100ml of milk at each feed, she seemed fine otherwise but I think that's why she wanted to feed earlier than normal at 9:30pm and was awake still.

Trying to figure out what I can do about stopping my IB from leaking - any ideas?? I think the leakage was from around her legs yesterday so maybe i need to put in another soaker pad!


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Alex's feeds are all over the shop atm - think he's having another growth spurt. Last night he was feeding every 20-30 mins from 5pm till 8pm, had his shower and another feed then bed at 9pm. And slept through till 4.30am :)

How much chucking would you say is normal? Alex just mega chucked again, he doesn't seem to be in pain or distressed by it but it looked like heaps - covered bot me and him :( Will be asking the CHN tomorrow but wanted to know what you girls think?

Had a rather not fun supermarket trip - fed violet before she went and expected she would sleep in the infant trolley as normal but she was unsettled and ended up crying like crazy by the time we reached the checkout! Poor bubby.

I expressed 50ml of BM not last night but the night before cos I had some leftover- I kept it in the fridge and realized I wouldn't be needing it so put it in the freezer- I know it can last in the fridge a few days but do you think it's okay to leave in the fridge a few days and then put in the freezer?

Have decided I quite enjoy buying dummies hehe- I find it fun choosing the cute designs / colours and tend to buy another pack whenever I'm out shopping hehe.

Now that violet is 6.45 kg we've bought crawler nappies- mainly cos like you mentioned CK, infant huggies nappies don't seem to be readily available in the big boxes.. Weird! Sounds funny to say she's in crawler nappies at 7 weeks old hahhaha.

Mollie yeah I'd suggest it'd be AF too? Any cramping along with the bleeding? From what I heard, unless it's a lot of blood it's normally just AF.. How annoying for you!

I have a VERY TMI question also............. Anyone felt like their stitches kinda left too much scar tissue? Or does anyone know if scar tissue reduces over time? Feels like the vijayjay opening is way tighter than normal-- waaaay too scared to try DTD as I reckon it'd be almost impossible ATM?! Uhh scary?!!

I've always been told unless it bothers them than it's not too much of a concern.


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I don't know Amanda - mine doesn't feel any different really. The first time we DTD we just took it very slow with lots of foreplay and used a bit of extra lube, but once the first time was out of the way it was fine. You can try massaging the scar area to stretch the skin a bit I guess, but if it's super tight and causing problems maybe a chat with your Dr?

From what I've read CK unless he is doing it multiple times a day and its distressing him, or has blood in it or he is not thriving due to chucking so much there isn't really something to worry about. Unless it starts to affect his health he is gifting you with some extra washing!

Well after last night I've been trying to keep Lilly to her 4 hours, becuase I've noticed now I'm paying attention, rather than demand feeding she tends to not get enough feeds in during the day, that can affect her at night too right? So if she has been asleep after 4 hours rolls around, I've been gently changing her nappy to wake her and giving her a feed. Funny thing is she is always really hungry once she wakes up enough.. seems odd? Or is she just changing on me again :lol:

Feeds today were 6:30 then 10:30am and now at 2:30pm the last 2 were initiated by me because it had been 4 hours.

Also after 2 unsettled times and not being able to sleep for more than 45 mins in her cot and having to come downstairs to the swing to finish her nap (which BTW my lovley DH fixed yay! I also have a new motor on the way from Fisher Price for free! win!) She just guzzled her 120mls and wanted to go back to sleep with no play which isnt like her. So I put her wrap on and put her down. It is still hot here so that could be unsettling her. We havn't had a colic attack since stopping BM so I'll reintroduce it tomorrow and see what happens.

We got a evaporative cooler for her room as well so even though the actual temp in there is 27 degrees its quite pleasent so that should help her get some sleep.

I have noticed if I wake her for her feeds at 4 hour mark she has stopped taking such massive amounts (only between 120 - 150mls), which should help with the tummy upset as well, I was mortified at her taking 240mls one time as she got the biggest tummy ache afterwards and a Colic attack.

Heres hoping her getting 5 feeds in during the day will help her rather than bigger feeds she tends to lean towards naturally when I demand feed her.

Dan how long has it been since they have been strip washed? They might have a residue build up on them stopping them from being as absorbant as they could be. Might be worth a try. Which washing powder do you use? I use Rockin Green or Earth Wash from the supermarket so they dont get build up. I use mostly Little Britches.

Mollie - Bummer at AF it is what it sounds like. Has it started to settle down? If not you could always double check with your Dr?

Amanda - Buying Dummies is fun :) Lilly's favorite are the little Avent ones. So cute. Naw poor bubba. Every time we go out seems to bother Lilly, however I've discovered after a Colic attack the other day that she will fall asleep in the pram, when she had previously resisted so at least now I know if I have to go out and its too hot for Ergo I have another option.

Does anyone else find their car seat really annoying? I find it hard to get DD out of the thing becuase of the seat belt straps on the side. I need to be so careful not to bonk her head on the roof LOL

Today.... NOTHING!!! Stupid body! I will speak with the nurses on wednesday when we head in for our appt.


Amanda I <3 buying dummies.. We have some cute ones. I saw some really cute ones yesterday at the baby shop near our place.. DH wouldnt let me buy them though.. So now that he is back at work I will get them heheh ;)

Lolpigs sounds like Lilly may have day and night mixed up. I hope you can get it all sorted with the feeding :) I am the same with you with the car seat.. It takes me ages, because I am scared Ill bump Aubree's head.


Well even with DH back at work I have managed to get a lot done today. And I am hoping to get some more done tomorrow.. I am waiting for DH to get home now so that I can set up my sewing machine, Im going to make some re-usable/washable change mats. And maybe on the weekend I will go have a look at spotlight for some patterns for some other little things for Miss Aubree....

Levi has started dribbling, like teething but no sign of teeth Yay! Ive got a thing with buying bibs lol.

I can't believe Levi will be 2 months on the 16th :(

Oh Mollie I hope not :( She dosent stay awake at night nor sleep all day, infact it is still hit and miss trying to get her down for her naps, this is the first night ever we do Feed, Play Sleep during the day and at night we just change nappy feed and go back to bed in the almost dark. I will do a 10pm feed tonight in the dark, finally got her feeding so we can have one and see how she goes. She had a bellyache this evening so ate at 6pm and then cried for over and hour till I took her for a walk in the ergo and she went to sleep. Kept fussing once we got home so put her to bed at 8pm and she finally went to sleep.

Now we know how to manage her colic we are going to do trips every day during the day

I'm hoping it was just beucase it was so muggy last night, she seems to be a real fusspot not easy going at all my girl!

I also seem to be having issues catching up on sleep during the day. Not sure why but I feel on edge. When I lay down to sleep it takes a big effort to relax enough. So weird as I've not had sleeping issues before.

Amumma they can dribble forever and not get their teeth till much later on their teeth can move around and bother them too apparently. Fun stuff!

0o0oh off to Dandenong Ranges tomorrow!

That will be fun!

Z slept (unsettled) from 10 thru to 7ish this morning! and probably would have kept sleeping if miss H didn't come in and decided to hug Z awake!

Z's drinking has been all over the place to today. Had 180mls at 7ish this morning, then 10am had 120mls then at 12 had about 80mls then at 2ish had another 80mls then at 5ish had 100mls. Hubby has just got her to scoff 160mls.
She is so very muchly unsettled! what a fun night ahead for moi!

Ahhh LOL, you will never sleep again ;) hehe nah, you will eventually get back to, well, somewhat normal!

ohhh to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Must be the day for unsettledness - after his big sleep last night Alex hasn't deigned to sleep for more than about 40 minutes at a stretch all day. He's just wanted to feed pretty well constantly, and would doze off while feeding but when I went to put him down in his cot be instantly awake and grizzling until he got more. DD has been a bit of a pain in the butt today, I'd just gotten Alex off to sleep in his rocker, he'd been asleep for maybe 20 mins when she decided to go ride her bike and slammed the door on the way out - which woke him up. Grrrrr, I could've strangled her!

All this has resulted in my being in a right royally filthy mood, DH came home to me grumping on the couch feeding Alex and DD sulking in her room after I told her to nick off and leave me alone for a bit because I was completely touched out and extremely irritable and didn't want to do my block at her when it's really not exactly her fault. Though it doesn't help when she wants to watch the same damn 3 or 4 movies all the time that she's seen a hundred times and I could just about recite verbatim...

Going to go bury myself in a hole till this mood passes.

:hug: all around I say!

Sounds like a crummy day! I hope Alex and Z are more settled today

Well I have to say I think I'm in love with my 4 hour routine and the 10pm feed. I persisted with it yesturday, and I got her out of bed at 10pm and changed her nappy and fed her to which she decided it was a good time to poop everywhere half way through the feed and have a giggle and I thought I had blown it! I kept calm and just shushed her through it and finished her bottle.

I popped her into bed and she just drifted off to sleep.. and woke up at 6am! Hooray! Her getting 5 feeds in during the day definatley helped I think. I'm going to reintroduce the BM next feed and see how we go. I was so exhausted I slept right through but hubby said he got up to check on her a few times.. Thank goodness! She had her wrap on becuase I forgot to change her clothes while doing the nappy. I'll do that tonight.

Definatley going to keep this routine up, it seems to be helping her sleep during the day as well. I guess sleep begats sleep with my fuss pot!

Hope you all have a good day today :)

Yay for finding something that works!

Feeling heaps better this morning, was just so cranky yesterday, didn't even want DH to cuddle me when we went to bed - as I said to him, it was the first chance that day I'd had to have my skin to myself.

We have Mister's appointment with the CHN today - he's busy talking to his toys and kicking his legs out on the floor at the moment though :)

Back from our CHN checkup - Alex is now 6.365kg, 61cm long and HC 39.5cm. Knew he was getting huge, I'm starting to put him into 00 clothes as half his 000 ones don't fit anymore. He's also apparently meeting most of the milestones for a 3-4 month old, the clever little rascal :)

We had our CHN this morning too and Abby is 5.252kg - just over the 50%, think she is just going to be average well that's how she's been charting since birth anyway :)

Lolpigs glad it's working well for you :). I found after the first week that Abby just follows that routine pretty closely now.


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Ck yeah I think I'll check with the dr.. It's like the scar tissue is completely non stretchy now... I doubt I'd ever be able to give birth again vaginally without causing significant damage! I hope it's just temporary...! Hehhee go Alex! Violet is in half 000 and half 00 outfits too and were moving her to crawler nappies!

Lolpigs- sounds like one awesome routine! I still can't get violet to sleep during the day?! Other than really short dozes... We were loaned a my little lamb swing from friends - she will sleep in that for a little while but other than that- no hope! And she is really tired during the day- she gets so sleepy looking! I try all the settling methods I use at night but she just doesn't want to sleep!!

Reading about all these big babies makes Aubree seem so small :) She has only just gone up a nappie size to infants, and is still fitting into some of her 0000 outfits.. Although she was only 3kg when we was born. We have our CHN appt tomorrow and we are starting at a Mother's group in our area as well so that is kinda of exciting..

Lolpigs glad you have found something that is working. I hope you have had a good day today

Amanda How are things going with DH?

Hope your all having a lovely Tueday afternoon :)

Hmm as soon as I started back on the breast milk bubs started to get unsettled again and I just had to go for an hour walk to get her to go to sleep in the pram. Weird? I only have like 1 coffee a day and only one bowl of cereal so no idea why. Perhaps I will have to stick with formula?

I've also noticed she overeats when I give her breast milk, she normally will take from 120 - 130ml of formula, but if I give her breast milk she will take 180ml and cry for more then spit it up :/ Not sure what is up with that?

Amanda - Lilly still is doing that during the day, her naps are fairly short if I can even get her down, varies from 45mins to an hour and 45mins. Half teh time its broken up between cot and swing becuase she wakes up and I can't settle her again. Walking for ages in the pram helps Lilly but only if I can walk for an hour at least like today which is a killer.

Still doing the 4 hourly routine not sure what to do about the breast milk? will keep giving it to her and see how it goes :(

Mollie - Abby was 3.290kg at birth so at the smaller end compared to some of these mummas on here that breed little buddhas hahaha!! Abby also still fits into newborn nappies and some 0000 too!!


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Who are you calling a little buddha? :rofl:

Lolpigs, is the formula you're using cows milk based or a low-lactose one? Maybe she's having trouble with the little bit of lactose in your BM? I dunno, just throwing out suggestions here. Wouldn't think one coffee and tiny bit of dairy in your diet would have that much effect.

Just signed Alex up for his first library card and for storytime. Looking into a mothers group in my area as well just for an excuse to get out of the house now and then :)

I use Goat's Milk formula, so it has lactose but it is supposed to be far more gentle on the tum than cows milk, the cows milk formula we had was just horrid on her guts worse than my BM.

Well thats it it seems. I just fed DD her 3rd BM feed today and she just screamed the house down. Drank too much and was completely unsettled. Looks like whatever it is in my BM she can't tolerate it and it dosent make her happy. SHe isn't content after a BM feed she screams. She was getting so much more settled yesturday but at least now we know what the cause is :(

Feel like a failure, after all that hard work now its upsetting her stomach :( Could have been what was upsetting her all along even which makes me feel even worse for putting her through all that! My husband told me I should write a book called Perserverance because I tried so hard. Didn't make me feel any better. Next feed we are going back to formula as much as it pains me I want a happy content bubba. How do you stop lactating without getting Mastitis?

I had a massive cry, I mean full on wail and I don't feel any better about it at all.

Oh sweetheart :hug: You have done a fantastic job and she has gotten massive amounts of benefit from your milk, even if it has been upsetting her - all those antibodies won't go to waste. You are a wonderful mum and stuck at it far longer than I could've - your hubby is right!

Stopping lactation should be done gradually, just express what you need to for comfort and to prevent blockages rather than full feeds and gradually reduce it down. I'd also maybe talk it over with a LC or your nurse to see if they have any advice.

LOL - I agree with Cranks, don't be so hard on yrself gorgeous mumma xxx you have stuck at it a lot longer than most! Lilly is a lucky lil bub!

Harriett is really acting out atm. She said something to me last night while I was putting her to bed...*mummy, I see daddy and narnie (my mum) all the time, but I don't get to play with you much anymore* ... seriously girls, I nearly cried! I tried explaining how I have to spend a lot of time with Zoe as she is so tiny and needs mummy to do lots of things etc. And she was really understanding, saying she knew that but she MISSED me ... omg...she is FOUR! I feel so damn bad :(

This Saturday I am taking her to see (god help me) the Chipmunks at the movies! Just a mummy and Harriett day...take her out for lunch etc... her first ever time at the movies! So hope she likes it.

Bah Kids! they break yr heart sometimes ...

Hugs Lolpigs xx

Nikky, it's great she can tell you so you can have special days together. Hope you have a fantastic time xx

I weighed Levi today he was 6.51kgs at 8 weeks lol. He's such a little boofer and his friend is 15 weeks and 6.71kgs lol. Just about as big as him too. I'm jealous I never got a tiny baby but OMG I never knew I could love someone do much. Every time he does something cute or new I have to stop myself crying and I've never been a crier.

He's been reaching out and touching my face after a feed and burp. Talks non stop and thinks he's part of every conversation. Knows his name, reaches out to touch things (even if he doesn't quite get them), follows you Witt his eyes, smiles at key words (boobie, dad, nanny, poppy and poopie bum) and smiles when we talk in high/low tone voices.

He touched his foot today, loved the sensation of feeling it in his hand and foot. Think that will be a new discovery soon lol.