thread: Do you believe in evolution or what your holy book says?

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  1. #1
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    I'm with Nelle. I believe exactly what the Bible tells me is true.

    Creationism and evolution... how can both work together?

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    Dec 2005
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    I am a scientist. I am a Christian. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    I do not believe evolution to be fact. For that matter, science doesn't either - it is only a theory after all.

    I do believe that God created the world and everything in it. God also created time, so doing it in seven days is not beyond His capabilities.

    Personally, I think it's very presumptuous of us to limit God's abilities and say it's not possible for Him to have created the world in such a short time...

    I don't know whether this has fully answered your question or whether my perspective is too Christian to be of much use to you.

    BW

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    Jul 2009
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    Whilst I lean towards evolutionary theory I'm not really deeply attached to the idea.
    I often wonder how those who passionately believe either one or the other POV would feel if the POV they supported was conclusively disproved.
    Would the non-religious get faith?
    Would the religious feel their faith was a lie?

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    I don't know whether this has fully answered your question or whether my perspective is too Christian to be of much use to you.
    I'm not concerned if your viewpoint is Christian, Muslim, Jew etc... I was just curious to know which side of "creation" people believed in.

    The theory of evolution sounds more logical than being created from mud as per the Koran. I most certainly believe in the power of God/Allah (however you want to read it).

    You are such a knowledgable woman Bron. I admire you. Now, i guess can incorporate Allah's word into my evolution theory...
    My understanding is that Allah created the evolutionary process just as he created everything else. -Brontide
    Thanks

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    The theory of evolution sounds more logical than being created from mud as per the Koran. I most certainly believe in the power of God/Allah (however you want to read it).
    You believe in Evolution and Allah? Or both? Do you believe in one more than the other?

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    I believe in the Holy Quran. The theory of evolution has no support in Islam. Allah the Almighty created, Adam, the first man from scratch. He was not evolved from any other creation of Allah. Allah created humans and animals from the Earth's dust: 'From the (earth) did We Create you, and into it Shall We return you, And from it shall We Bring you out once again (The Noble Quran, 20:55)'. Allah informed the Angel's he was creating a man from mud moulded, breathed soul into him and they all then prostrated before Adam.

    Do you believe that God has pre-determined when we will die before/as we are born or do we control as to when we are going to die?

    Indeed, Allah is the best planner. Allah plans when we are born and death. However, the will of man does exist. Here is an interesting article I found that explains it perfectly.

    Jabr and Qadr in Islam (Free Will vs. Predetermination) - Windows Live

    The will of man does exist, and yet the will of Allah is all-encompassing. How do we explain the co-existence of both wills simultaneously? Man's limited free will exists because Allah has allowed it, and it is limited in the sense that man's will is subject to God's. You may 'will' to sprout wings and fly, but good luck buddy. Allah wills for His creations what He wants, and since His supersedes yours, you may never get off the ground.

    Or more realistically, you may 'will' to take your car from point A to point B, and you may do everything in your abilities (your abilities also being allowed to you by the will of God) but God willed that someone else should crash into you somewhere in the middle and you never make it to your destination.

    There's a difference between your will and God's. You're only judged on what you do, not what happens to you. It's the difference between poking yourself in the eye with a fork deliberately or having a fork fly at you in a freak accident. No one will call you self-destructive in the second case, because it's not like it was your fault or will.

  7. #7

    Mar 2004
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    I believe in the Holy Quran. The theory of evolution has no support in Islam.
    That's not quite true. If scholars of the calibre Nuh Ha Mim Keller argue that belief in macro-evolutionary transformation and variation of non-human species is compatible with Islam then clearly the theory of evolution does have support in Islam.

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    I'm just going to change the topic AGAIN (Sorry!)

    I'm just reading a book called "What everyone needs to know about Islam" which i am finding very interesting.

    It says that we are all the children from the one God. Muslim's Allah and the Christain's God and the Jewish God are all the SAME God. According to the book. And this is what i believe too. There is only one God and we all share Him.

    I had a conversation with a fellow co-worker who is Presbytarian (sp??) and asked him if he believed that our God was the indeed the same God. And he said no. The Christain God is different and so is the Muslim God.

    What do you believe??

  9. #9
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    Jan 2009
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    I'm with Nelle. I believe exactly what the Bible tells me is true.

    Creationism and evolution... how can both work together?
    Yep me too.