That's not quite true. If scholars of the calibre Nuh Ha Mim Keller argue that belief in macro-evolutionary transformation and variation of non-human species is compatible with Islam then clearly the theory of evolution does have support in Islam.
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That's not quite true. If scholars of the calibre Nuh Ha Mim Keller argue that belief in macro-evolutionary transformation and variation of non-human species is compatible with Islam then clearly the theory of evolution does have support in Islam.
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I'm just going to change the topic AGAIN (Sorry!)
I'm just reading a book called "What everyone needs to know about Islam" which i am finding very interesting.
It says that we are all the children from the one God. Muslim's Allah and the Christain's God and the Jewish God are all the SAME God. According to the book. And this is what i believe too. There is only one God and we all share Him.
I had a conversation with a fellow co-worker who is Presbytarian (sp??) and asked him if he believed that our God was the indeed the same God. And he said no. The Christain God is different and so is the Muslim God.
What do you believe??
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Same God, but we believe different things about him. For example, Christians believe that Jesus is God, and I think Muslims (and maybe Jews?) believe that he's a prophet.
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I appreciate your thoughts. But i have a question for you. I just want to learn more that's all. Not attacking any religion here.
If Jesus is God, then why do i sometimes hear that Jesus is the "son" of God.
Plus, how do i/we change the title of this thread?? I think it should be called something like "Godly discussions"
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TD- I see no one has answered your question yet, probably bc the trinity is so hard to explain!!
Basically, God is 3 'parts' - the father, the son, and the holy spirit. They are all the one God but he exists as 3 persons. Jesus is the part of God called the Son. Not the same as in a human father and son but he is called this because he is God in human form and was created in Mary through the Holy Spirit.
I'm not very good at explaining it and it's very confusing but I hope that makes a little sense!!
Luke 1:
Hebrews 1:334 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be calleda the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37 For nothing is impossible with God.”38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it be to me as you have said.” Then the angel left her.
3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
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Just to clarify this, JW's don't believe in the Trinity, they believe Jesus is the Son of God, not God Himself.
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ok i can only speak for myself here and this is form a christian point of view
I beleive that there is only one true God now there are many other gods i mean you can make a tree or a statue of something your god if you want to but to me there is just one true God that created the universe i will leave it at that as i dont want to preach.
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There is one God. Everyone believes in the same God but I guess some religions don't want to share the same God.
Nelle-
You are right. We (Muslims) believe Jesus is a Prophet.
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The God is the same (there is only 1 true God), but the way of worship and the beliefs are very different.
christians worship according to the direction given by Jesus Christ, and Muslims worship according to the directions given by Mohammud.
Muslims believe both of these men are/were prophets sent by God, so the question is, to which one should we listen? Christians listen to Jesus because of the sacrifice that he gave in order to bring us closer to God. And because of Jesus sacrifice, God elevated him to a position above all others (including mohammad)
So yes, we worship the same God, but our method is very different.
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I believe in evoloution, considering there is scientific proof of this.
I do not believe all the "magic" stuff it just does not seem in the slightest part possible, I think the bible has been made from chinese whispers along the way, it may well have started with a great man by the name of jesus whom was a great healer ie,Doctor..
I then believe over time its been more and more elaborated on.
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Raising-dancers - evolution actually hasn't been proven, at this stage it is just a theory, like creation.
As for the bible being chinese whispers - well there have been old old copies found (I think the oldest complete Hebrew bible was from AD 1008) and the variations between copies is minimal.
There were some scrolls found in 1947 (the Dead Sea Scrolls) containing text of 830 books - 202 of them biblical texts. There was a community living in that area from 250BC till about 68AD - so super super early, and again, the variations minimal. The sort of variations we are talking about are like spelling differences (eg color/colour)
Anyway, I think the bible - if you look into it - is very credible as a historical text. Especially the New Testament!
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I believe in the biblical account of creation.
Evolution is a theory. It is not proven fact, and it must be accepted by faith just like creation must be accepted by faith. And, given the order, beauty and precise balance of the world out there, I think the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of an intelligent Creator, rather than random chance.
About God - TD, you did hit on one of the most difficult things to understand about what the Bible says about God. It clearly says he is one, and yet it also clearly shows that there are three "persons" working as God, and being worshipped as God - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So we believe in the Trinity - three persons, one being. All God.
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Wow, great thread.
I am concerned about the concept that women have pain in childbirth because of eve's 'fall'. It seems like a patriarchal oppression of women through the physiology of their bodies. The idea that god says women must feel pain seems to deny us the opportunity to experience child birth beyond pain- which I believe I did achieve. To think that birth=pain plays into medical intervention and the paternal model of care we have today.
I would be interested to hear if Muslims also take this view on childbirth.
As for evolution, I am ok with a creationist idea that god created all things, but I do believe evolution has occurred...whether god is responsible for that doesn't matter to me...evolution of animals seems logical to me.
I have rejectEd a lot of my Christian upbringing so I hope not to offend anyone. The discussion so far has been awesome.
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