SJ,
How I see it, is there are risks involved in getting your DD immunised and risks involved in not getting your DD immunised.... it's a hard decision weighing up those risks involved either side.
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SJ,
How I see it, is there are risks involved in getting your DD immunised and risks involved in not getting your DD immunised.... it's a hard decision weighing up those risks involved either side.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds.
SJ, sit down with DH and you can both go over it all. Its never an easy decision to make - however you don't have to go purely one way or the other.
You can choose some. You can choose none, you can choose some AND delay them or choose ALL and delay them. Schmickers has posted his own schedule of vaccs around here somewhere, it's an excellent read. Put DH on the pc for a read too.
Either way, you should limit contact when your baby is young
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It is a hard decision, but I just wanted to say something on delaying vaccs...
When bub is a newborn they have three types of antibodies - those they have from the placenta, those from your breastmilk and then their own. When a bub is about 8mths, the antibodies from the placenta begin to decline and bubs is left with their own antibodies and any received from breastmilk. This is the time many babies become sick, so the vaccination program has been designed to help boost the babies immune system before this 8 month period (this is how my GP explained it to me anyway).
I personally cannot see the benefit in delaying unless you're undecided and need more time, or you are prepared to really limit bub's contact with sick people/other children (which I know many people do).
As for there being more risk than benefit with vaccinations, I think that is entirely untrue. Vaccines have been proven to reduce the RISK of many deadly childhood diseases (although they are not 100% effective...but is anything?). They are effective enough though to warrant government subsidies, WHO recommendation and vaccine programs in almost all developed countries. In fact, if more children in undeveloped nations had access to the kinds of vaccines we do, they wouldn't be such a high morbidity/illness rate from diseases such as polio.
No vaccine is without risk...you are exposing your child to chemicals and a latent form of the disease...but the decision is whether you would rather risk the full blown disease or the possible side effect from a vaccine? Unfortunately there is little unbiased information our there (or so I found when researching), so the decision is a tough one!
GL
Lucy in the sky with diamonds.
One of the problems here though (and a little bit of a tangent here), is that kids in underdeveloped countries are at higher risk to the side effects because their immune systems are already so low. A mass vacc in the Philippines blew he death rate for the same diseases through the roof.
The man who discovered the Polio vaccine readily admitted the cause of the cause in 100% (I think) of the cases sometime in the 60's was his own vaccine....
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This is interesting, and I believe there were at least two types of polio vaccinations in the 60's, one which went on to become the vaccine used today (an attenuated form of the disease developed by Sabin) and another which was stopped due to the higher risk of children developing the disease (produced by Salk, but stopped because 10 deaths were linked to the vaccine particles not being entirely "de-activated")
It seems to be the paradox with vaccinations that outbreaks of the disease can be connected to the vaccine. In most cases of this occurring in places like Indonesia, Nigeria and the Phillipines, this is due to a low population of vaccinated people, so that a vaxed child excretes the disease and then it is contracted by a non-vaxed child, where the disease mutates and is then active again.
This is why the idea of "herd immunity" is so important.
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I'm taking Blue down tomorrow night to get all the vacc's ...
I feel sick about it but I just couldn't live with myself if he became ill because I didn' t get him vaccinated
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I was the same...I still feel sick about the 4 mth ones coming up...
Good luck hun!
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my boys had everything that was on the immunisation schedule...i did a lot of research and found it incredibly difficult to make the decision. in the end my dh and i decided it was better to immunise them against these diseases than risk either one of them catching something...i am relieved we made that decision, especially now as there has been a resurgance of whooping cough.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds.
I dislike the term immunisation....it implies there is immunity given and there certainly is NO guarantee of any defense at all
How are you going with all this SJ?
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I still have no idea!! lol. I just never want to have to decide! lol, that would be nice.
I saw that Chanel 7 are doing the other side of the vaccination debate this Sunday night so that will be interesting to watch.
I would love to not get any vaccinations for her the thing holding me back is will I be able to still do all the things I want with her and take her places without constantly being paranoid she'll catch something? Probably not. And if she did happen to get one of the more serious diseases I would feel awful.
She will not be getting all the vaccinations anyway, that much I've decided. Hep B I don't think she is at risk for at all, same with polio. The whooping cough one though...that's the hardest to decide.
How do I pick and choose though, I think I heard they all come in 2 needles!!
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The MCHN was asking me about vaccinations yesterday and I said I didn't know if she would be getting them and she told me that if I wanted the Rotavirus (I think that's the one) vaccination I have to get the 1st one before 12wks otherwise there's no point and they won't give it. She said it's basically just diarrhea and causes dehydration. It didn't sound too serious and I don't know who DD would catch it from anyway! Anyone know more about it?? Thinking I might leave this one out too.
Anyway, I better make up my mind soon seeing as she's 2 months old today!
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I actually caught this when I was 22 months old, from my brothers 4th Birthday Party at Hungry Jacks. Within four hours of the first symptom, my parents tell me I was as white as a sheet and my veins had collapsed. The emergency department spent two hours trying to find a vein to put the drip in. In the end, it went into my foot. I was constantly vomiting and spent four days in intensive care. My friend's son has just been released from hospital this week after having a confirmed case of rotavirus. He spent three days in hospital on a drip and was a very sick little boy. So, perhaps don't let this nurse make it sound like it's nothing major, because it is actually very dangerous. It's not just gastro.
My friends child caught it from a boy at her FDC providers house.
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Lulu- true!
Thanks for all that information Celsie!! Very helpful. I'd be interested to know which ones your Dr thought were neccessary?? I'm going to make an appt with the Dr next week but I don't know how she feels about vaccination and I want the truth, not to be scared or pressured into anything!! And I also need to know how you get the ones you want seperately?? Need to be armed with that knowledge so they don't just tell me there's no choice.
Lucy in the sky with diamonds.
Even if you did vacc her, you still need to keep babies away from high risk areas - well thats how I look at it anyway!
You can still review the decision, you may want to wait till she is older and her body somewhat more able to cope. Like I said before, mine have both had meales and mumps and I hope they can catch CP somehow - it wasn't too bad at all, just nurse them through it xoxoxox
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SJ - I know exactly where your head is at right now. You want to keep your baby safe from disease, if you don't vaccinate, she could get sick, but what if she has an adverse reaction to the vaccine? You wouldn't forgive yourself either way. And like me, DH has/had a differing opinion in regards to vaccination.
I have dvd from V.I.S.A. (Vaccine Investigation South Australia) called Investigate Before You Vaccinate. It has a lot of information about the possdible dangers associated with vaccinating. I'd be happy to post it to you. PM me if you're interested.
In the end, we've decided that DD will have some, but not all. She didn't have Vitamin K or Hep B at birth. She will not have Hep B. We've spoken to our GP about which he feels are absolutely necessary and surprisingly, it was only one or two. DS had all his vaccinations up until 6 months when I discovered the possible dangers involved with vaccinating, so has had none since. He didn't have MMR (neither will DD) and certainly not chicken pox.
Our doctor said, if we were to decide we wanted not to vaccinate at all, he's suggest that we do at least get the tetnus vaccine, as you cannot get natural immunity to tetnus and once you've got it, it's too late.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what anyone else says, it has to be your decision and one that you can live with.
Good luck!
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my 10wk old is getting all her vaccinations today.
as someone who experienced whopping cough at 19yrs of age, there is now way a little baby could survive that. i couldn't breathe when i had a coughing fit..so a little baby has no chance. i'm certainly not going to risk it. Whopping cough is so easy to get..you never know who is a carrier of the virus.
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I thought they wouldn't do vaccinations before 2 months
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Bumping up the thread!
I had the measles when i was 15...not long after being immunised i think and i was awefully sick, had 3 weeks off school if i remember correctly. Immunisation is not going to protect you from a particular disease.
I had the birth and 2 month ones done for DS2 but i just can't come to take him back down there to do anymore...still don't know what to do fully but am thinking about vaxing homeopathically. It is so hard to make these dicisions!
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