As a mum of teenagers, I can relate to wanting to steer your children away from hurt and pain and I know that IVF eventually became the big white elephant in the room that my parents' didn't know how to deal with except to insist we excise it from our lives. So in that respect, miss_c I couldn't agree with you more. I craved their understanding that to stop would be infinitely more painful than continuing, but sometimes their view of it from the outside can be simplistic. It's not easy to see what it's like unless you live through it. I still feel the hurt when I think about those times, but I have tried to move on and rebuild my relationship with them. My DH, on the other hand, finds it hard to forgive them even now, as he saw how they affected me back then, and made my journey all the more difficult for it.