Loops, thank you. Sorry to hear AF is going to show. I had a wacky cycle last month, spotting a week early, etc and thought for sure it was it and then the witch AF showed. I understand you needing to take a break from here and I wish you the best of luck TTC naturally ... you just never know
You may not feel like it, but you do have time.
I did read somewhere that if you are on a TTC thread, you're not supposed to post BFPs, pregnancy tickers etc. once you get your BFP for sensitivity towards those still TTC so you shouldn't see any here. Whilst it must be wonderful for those who got their BFP and we're all truly happy for them (because it gives us hope), it does make sense for them to join a pregnancy thread with that info and just touch base on the TTC thread as support to others. It's hard either way for everyone, I think.
Take care, and hope to see you from time to time to let us know how you are going.
Thanks Caroline - yeh I suppose anything is possible. I suppose it will be interesting to hear what my FS says to where to go from here too. There was nothing found wrong with me so Im really lost as to why this didnt work considering we did ISCI
I don't mind people putting BFP's up because I am happy for them and I know I would want to do it if I got a positive result. I think it should be allowed because it does give others hope. It's just at the moment I dont really want to see too much of it but that shouldnt stop people from celebrating with others on here. If that all makes sense.
Anyhow - I really hope you do better than me, thanks for your support. GL
I agree, that you should be able to put BFP and pregnancy info up and celebrate it with those you have got to know and who have been on the journey with you. I just read that it is a rule on this site? If you don't remove them, they will do it for you or something like that.
Thank you for your kind words. I understand how frustrating it must be when there's nothing wrong and you're left to wonder why it isn't happening. But it will happen, it will, like I said, you do have time.
I'm 36 in December and really, really hope to have delivered my miracle before my 37th birthday! I kick myself for waiting this long, but who knew? I can't torture myself that way. I never knew I wanted to have a baby until I met my husband and until we started trying about 3.5 years ago.
Hang in there, Loops, be strong, it can and will happen.
I noticed you said you don't have any more money to try again. Since I have only been on US forums, I never really found out how much IVF costs in Australia because I know it is significantly different to the US. Are you able to tell me? Do you mind? When I spoke to Medicare about it a few years ago, they told me that the most you would spend out of pocket is around $1,000 per cycle, is that right? Maybe plus meds?
For me, I think it will run to around $3500 or $4000 after rebate from Medicare but it all depends on whether you have private care to assist with the EPU costs and other costs your clinic has. My FS costs and tests all really added up fast before we even went for the IVF option so we had hit the medicare saftey net before starting the actual IVF treatment this year. It's very different clinic to clinic and FS to FS. Also worth noting for you (luckily) when I looked at pricing on line before starting I noticed that the price in Melbourne clinic (well the one I saw anyway) was about 30% cheaper than Sydney and no extra cost for ICSI - which was extra again for us.
I think there's a thread on BB with more info. as I was really worried about this too and found it somewhere in here - unfortunately cannot find the link now.
Loops - sorry to hear that AF has arrived hon. I wish you all the best as you take a break and gather your thoughts. GL with saving up for your next IVF. I am sure you will get there soon and one day you too will get your little BFP miracle.
BabyCat - You can post your BFP status on the site, there are just certain threads that you are asked to show discretion in. Re out-of pocket costs for IVF - this varies depending on how much the clinic charges and wether you have reached the Medicare safety net. My clinic is quiet reasonably priced and I have reached the safety net. I will be out-of-pocket $1,000 for the IVF but then there are other expenses like hospital excess for EPU, the anaesthetist charges and I am also having acupuncture. The Medicare rules are also set to change from 1 Jan and it will get more expensive.
AFM - I have just received my Day 3 update. The nurse said that they like to see the embies with 5-8 cells at this stage. We currently have 1 that hasn't moved, 1 x 3 cell, 1 x 4 cell, 2 x 5 cell 1 x 6 cell and 1 x 8 cell. So it looks like we might loose at least one more, but hopefully some of the others will catch up.
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Completely understand hon. It's really hard to get excited for everyone else when you're not actively going through a cycle or some form of action. But maybe when your natural remedies start working wonders on DH SA you'll let us all know what the trick is. I really hope you're wrong about AF and fingers still remain crossed for you
Caroline, As for the BFP postings I think the rules are that you shouldn't put them in the middle of your post - ie the big flashing loggo ones but I think everyone on here is dying to know when someone gets a posistive and so far I haven't seen anyones news removed when they have. I think if you are sensitive about what you post then there shouldn't be a problem. I know I'm dying to hear any BFPs from the group here.
Sorry it's only a short one ladies as I have to leave for my ET at 1:15pm so just a quick "hi" to the rest of you and as always GL to us all.
AFM: I have had a bit of bad news this morning. All my embies stopped splitting bar two (can't believe I lost 10 of them since Saturday). We are still going ahead with transfer of the two remaining blasties but I am devastated that we have no back up plan. Added to that DH is not exactly being supportive about the news is making for a very depressed me going in for transfer today. MEN - . Trying to stay chipper but devastated that if this doesn't work I now have no back up plan and will have to go through the whole bloody cycle again.
Jasminstar - sorry to hear that most of your embies have stopped splitting but GL for your ET today. Hopefully 1 or both of them will be a keeper and you won't need the back up plan anyway! Just though I would mention that when I spoke to my clinic they said that legally then can keep the embies going to day 6 before they have to freeze them. Which is good because it can give the slow ones a chance to catch up. I don't know if it's possible for ones that have stopped splitting to continue once they have had a snooze? Maybe your clinic can keep them going till tomorrow to see what happens.
Caroline - thanks for all your support. Will let you know how we go further down the track.
Yeh I read that somewhere too ages ago but have never seen anyone BFP's etc being deleted so that is good, as others have said I think you just have to be sensitive.
Don't mind at all - ask anything you like.
We have gone through Monash IVF Sale clinic (country Victoria)
Our prepayment was $4,660.00, plus there was the Synarel spray which was $100/bottle. Then just the day procedure costs - EPU was $280 and ET was $200. Then for the U/S and B/T's I just gave my medicare card. But as others have said i think it varies a bit from clinic to clinic. Im not too sure how much of that we will get back from Medicare but I understand we will get some back fairly soon - I bloody hope so as we are broke.
Mitf - thanks for your kind words and thoughts. Will keep you posted down the track. Wishing you all the very best and you will be in my thoughts x
Jasminstar - all the very best with the ET - I really hope and will have evrything crossed that your remainder emby's do well. I know how you feel to not have any in reserve - its not good at all. But hopefully it wont matter for you. Someone has to get a BFP and you deserve this. All the best x
Jasminstar - thanks for the info on IVF costs. I appreciate it will vary, but it's a good gauge. In the US they pay around 10x that! Their "medicare" equivalent is not as good as ours too from what I hear, we're pretty lucky here in Oz!
Thanks for the welcome. I'm sorry to hear you lost some embies, however GL with your ET today with the remaining two to you!
Mift - thanks for your info too. GL with your cells (do you mean follies? I have to get used to the new terminology!)
Loops - thanks for the info. I guess we'll cross that bridge (IVF cost) when we come to it but it's good to have an idea. You take care and hope to see you here again soon.
As for the posting of BFP info. It's the first post on this thread where I read it. That's great then that it is not as strict as all that as I think it would be nice to share my BFP with the girls I'm cycling with and with whom I'm sharing all my good and bad days. I would want you all to share your BFPs too. It makes sense just to be sensitive about it.
Well I think it's going to be fun hanging out here and getting to know you all and I wish each and every one of us the best of luck and to all!
Hi Loops12, Sorry to hear about your BFN. I understand completely about wanting to lie low (as I have done in the last couple of weeks after BFN). If it is any consolation, I just did my medicare refund for my treatment and got $950 dollars back from the $1450 that I paid upfront for my treatment. So we were only $500 out of pocket. I know this is still a fair amount but is nowhere near what I know other people have paid out. My FS is a non profit organisation where all proceeds go back into the clinic. Perhaps there is one near your city that operates similarly? Maybe it can speed up your next attempt in comparison to the more expensive alternatives?
Mitf - hope your embies continue to split well for you. Are you getting daily updates?
To all the newcomers - welcome and Good luck for your cycles.
To everyone else - Have been popping in and keeping an eye on you all but have been ahibernating a bit and also extremely busy with work. I have my fingers crossed for all of you.
Hope you don't mind me popping in to say hi! Just thought I would reply and update babycat on what the costs have been for us - as a comparrison - although similar to Loops reply.
We are with Melbourne IVF and going with a down reg ICSI cycle. DH has good sperm; good count, good strong swimmers, just abnormal heads which mean they can't penetrate the egg by themselves. Costs for MIVF are:
$5300 payable up front (80% of this should come back to us at end of cycle from Medicare through the safety net - and that is only because we have already reached out $1100 out of pocket expense level before paying that)
$225 - new patient admin fee (not claimable through medicare - but currently seeing if my private will cover it)
$100 - synarel (claiming from private - think I get about $30 back)
$80 a visit to FS (claimable through medicare - think I get about $30 back)
Not sure on costs for EPU & ET - there are hospital costs but as I have private some of it will be covered.
So I think in a very estimated guess I think per cycle it will cost us around $1500 out of pocket - and that is only because we have already met our safety net quota.
I have been on synarel now for 13 days and have my first scan tomorrow and can hopefully start injections then to get on to the next stage. Eveything possible is crossed for a BFP first go - but I'm trying not to get my hopes up as I know the odds are not that high.
Anyway - will keep an eye on this thread as there are a few of you at around the same stage which is always good to read about!
Thanks Tantee and Nix for giving me a bit of hope and happiness today through all the **** - it makes me a bit happier to know I might get a fair bit back because we are so broke now.
Loops - I just went back and read more posts and just want to say - try & claim everything!! It is so hard to know what you can /can't get back!
Not sure if you have private insurance but just check every receipt you have with Medicare and your private, cos no one really makes it really clear what you can and can't claim and at the end of the day I think you have to just stay on top of it and try claim it all. It is better to check it than miss out on a possible refund.
Also another BIG thing - are you registered for the medicare safety net? Make sure that you are and your whole family should be listed - so you and your hubby on the same one. This means any out of pocket expenses for both of you go towards that safety net and once you reach it then anything you can claim thru medicare you get 80% back.
I was reading on anther thread last night where it seemed someone did not realise that DH expenses should go towards your safety net too. And although they don't generally have as many as us - it all counts.
Hope this helps and I wish you all the very best luck. I had a tear session last night thinking about what if it doesn't work and I havn't even reached my first EPU yet! So I can imagine going thru a few rounds must be so draining - emotionally & financially.
Nix, thanks so much for that info. It really, really helps. I will certainly make sure I claim everything I possibly can and will look into what my private insurance covers too.
I should just sit back and relax for now because there is not a lot I can do until I have my lap, get results and go from there. I can't (well shouldn't) even try naturally this cycle because of the lap. It's just good to have as much info as possible so we're well prepared.
I am pretty sure our family is registered for the Safety Net, but I will look into this also.
Hello Ladies,
FIRSTLY, I would like to thank Miss K - Taurean78, Mitf, Loops12, Juniper76, Baby2Bee, Wishes, Tantee and Jasminstar for all you positive thoughts and well wishes.
MissK, BTB, and Babycat Hope you all find the support you need here.
AFM - Pregnancy stuck till my birthday...the next day I had all this black gunk discharge and i still have ....the pregnancy did not double on my next blood test and has been declining and now its all over.........sorry for not keeping in touch, but I have recovered and i am now back with a vengeance. Next cycle is going to be the one!!
Taurean78 - thankyou for the PM, it really touched me how close we have all become without really knowing each other..THankyou!!!
There are a few of you who have had EPU's and i am excited...Who's next for the ET's and 2WW?
Loops12 - sorry about you BFN, But we will get it the next time.
Sorry for the no personals, but i will soon. If I have forgotten anyone I am so sorry, but to all GL with your cycles.
EmeralStar - I am so sorry to hear that your little miracle didn't manage to stick around. . You were so close and gave such hope to us all. GL as you gather your thoughts and I truely hope next time is a true sucess. xo
Hi Ladies, just a quick one to say ET went well - saw my little blasties up on the big screen before transfer which was really cool. One has already started hatching and the other is in the process. DH was amazed as he didn't think they would be "doing that much at this stage". Mitf you were right they can keep them to day 6 and there are 1 or 2 that the andrologist said might catch up. I was so emotional I was legs spread cathater in and she was talking about the possibility that I might have a chance of having a back up plan and I lost it - flood gate opened and I cried and laughed at the same time. I think Dh thinks I have completely lost it! But anyway all was good and she said my blasties were "beautiful" - not very scientific but I think I got the jist. Sorry for the me, me post but was just going to burst - so emotional today it's incredible but I really feel relieved too, weird.
Loops12 - I totally understand you wanting to lay low for awhile . You'll know when you're good and ready to jump back in and we'll be here with a big Welcome Back! I also understand your money dilemmas. DH and I earn good money between us but it is a huge strain on things. I have put my tax money towards it and saved nearly $3K for this cycle but we have to pay the full $7680 on day of ET (This Wed - of which we will be out of pocket approx $3.5K as we have not yet reached safety net). We did away with our credit card when we bought our place last year and so we have had to ask my parents for the money upfront. It's totally humiliating and I am really worried if we don't have success this time, we'll be back there trying to scrape together the money all over again. You can only do what you can but I know the financial pressure that goes with it. Good luck with everything.
Mitf - it looks like you'll have a good few embies in there with a shot. My FS prepared us to lose half to natural attrition so I have had in my head that we might get to ET with 2 embies if lucky. I hope that yours hang in there. I'll be thinking of you and i'll be jumping on here when I get home on Wed to be checking things out!
Jasminstar - So glad you got to transfer your 2 little blasties. I am hoping, hoping, hoping that the others catch up so that you can have a back-up plan. I hope DH has come around a bit and is looking out for you. What I hadn't realised is that after EPU our hormones spike apparently. I have been a lot more emotional in the last few days (and irrational if I am being honest!). But...we're allowed. I am sending you all the sticky vibes I can muster and make sure you keep us updated!
Wishes - I hope the TWW is going well and that you are able to keep distracted. Thinking of you.
Tantee - A big hello to you. I hope you're doing OK after your BFN. Your clinic sounds wonderful! Do you mind sharing their name? I think that it is wonderful that they are not for profit. My clinic as I mentioned earlier charges $7680 which incl all BT, U/S, meds (apart from Lucrin on down reg @ $250). Then EPU is about $980 and ET around $280 (which luckily for me is all covered by Private Health).I think those charges are so out of reach for many of us.
Nix76 - Welcome! Good luck with your scan tomorrow. It is exciting when you start the FSH as it feels like you are really getting somewhere with your treatment.
Emerald Star - I am so glad you're back! Such disappointing news that your pregnancy ended so soon. I hope you weren't in too much pain or discomfort and I applaud your positive attitude. Resilience like yours is admirable and we all find strength in your example. Take care of yourself in this month off. You are more than welcome for the PM. It is funny how this forum brings us all together.
AFM - Had the Day 3 call from the embryologist this morning and from the 4 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilised. Apparently by Day 3 my clinic likes to see the embies at 6 cells or above. I have 2 x 8 cells and 1 compacted morula which apparently contains 10-30 cells. They now need to get to between 75-100 cells to be a blastie by Day 5 (Wed). Apparently today is the day they either take off or get left behind. So DH and I have everything crossed that we have one to go to ET and maybe 1 to freeze .
Hi Baby2Bee, williamsemma59,seph, juniper76, daisy, vira, Mrs P, bubbles, Miss K and any others I have missed.
xxTaurean78
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. Trying to stay chipper but devastated that if this doesn't work I now have no back up plan and will have to go through the whole bloody cycle again.
to all!
Hope you all find the support you need here.
.........sorry for not keeping in touch, but I have recovered and i am now back with a vengeance. Next cycle is going to be the one!!
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