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Thread: Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception ~ December 2006

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    Well I had a 2nd FS app today. DH test all came back good. Mine came back good except for showing on the U/S as having PCO. I don't have PCOS as I have no symptoms of it, like not Oing etc etc. She just said to be aware that if I started to gain heaps of weight that it could show itself by not Oing, acne, extra hair and a few other things. Well after thinking about it I have put on a little weight of late and have gotten acne like I have never experienced before, I just wonder if it could all be connected?

    She also mentioned that because of this that they will put me on lower doses for the injections, as women with PCO have a higher chance of hyperstimulating (is that what its called?) So we are set to start our first cycle in April. She has given me a prescription for the pill to start in April and told to ring our IVF nurse in March for our appointment with her.

    So now I have approx 3 months to loose the 8.6kg that I want to loose before starting IVF. I am a bit excited now that we have a month that we will be starting.

    Alex fingers crossed for you! GOOD LUCK!

    RG sorry to hear of the BFN. I hope all good things for you on your next cycle.

    Shaz I was on asprin when I was preggie with Alana (she was not conceived by IVF though) due to higher levels of ANA. I think some women are put on it to help thin their blood to prevent clotting, which can cause m/c. Do you remember him saying anything about needing to thin your blood?

    Hope all went well today Willow!



    Hi to everyone else!!!

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    Ok, hoping to hear how willow's EPU went...

    In some ways today was good - I've got a less-demanding class allocation now, which will be good... but the reasons for me having a less-demanding allocation have had steam shooting out my ears all day and me stomping about cursing and swearing and bursting into tears! If it weren't for the fact that my school handed me a bright, shiney new laptop today, I think I'd have told them precisely where they could stick their sodding job!

    Dream bub, have you had problems with recurrent miscarriages? I know that aspirin is used to counter blood-clotting problems, and the steroids are used to dampen auto-immune reactions, both of which are linked to recurrent miscarriage. From chatting to my gyn friend last night (I'm so incredibly thankful for my friend's career choice!!) neither will do any harm if they are not needed, but may well do some good as well. It may mean you would need to be more closely monitored, and I would certainly recommend asking your specialist why you have been given them, but I think that they will be fine. I'm not taking microgynon, but I'm on brevinor (norimin is the generic brand name). The other FS that we had to consult with yesterday said it was quite notorious for causing bleeding... but after this little episode (and waking up in a pool of blood this morning), there's no way I'm going to stand back and let break through bleeding happen again! I know how damn close I got to needing to be hospitalised, and it's scary!

    Iris, if there's a chance that you could be developing the symptoms of PCOS, then a low-carb, low-GI, high protein diet will help most for losing weight. I'm happy to pass on the information regarding diet that my FS gave me if you are at all interested. It has helped me lose some weight, even though I wasn't really trying. I'm not sure how much further I will get as I'm simply not capable of doing the required exercise until my body rebuilds some of my very depleted iron stores, but I'll stick with the diet.

    RainbowGirl, I'm sorry to hear about the BFN.

    Alex, I hope that one little super-emby you have is the only one you need. Good luck!

    Me... woke up in a pool of blood this morning, which was scary. I've taken the maximum dosage of the cyklokapron today, and everything seems to be finally getting under control. I'll cut back slowly over the coming days and see how I go. I've booked the days off that I need for my appointments and even though I initially didn't want to tell the person I book time out with (the deputy principal), when I mentioned to him that there would be quite a few this year he asked "is this good news then?" I had forgotten that some nasty gossip had told him last year that we were trying, so I decided to go ahead and tell him that it was IVF. He was really quite encouraging and said that whatever time I needed I could have... it seems the mild heart attack he had last year has changed him somewhat. I've also told my head of house, but I'm currently refusing to tell my head of department as I'm not entirely feeling like I can trust him at the moment, and I'm booked in tomorrow to tell the principal, as the deputy said he would need to be told anyway... I figure it's better coming from me than someone else.

    All in all, I'm feeling mostly positive about the year ahead. I have a year 12 class this year which I wasn't expecting... it's a group I taught a few years back and enjoyed working with... and it also means term 4 will be a breeze! It's all so much better for conceiving this year than if I had the year 11 class I was expecting. It's funny that I'm happy with the changes in the way they effect me personally, but I'm severely ticked off about the school's reason for making the changes. How silly is that?

    BW

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    Wow girls you really can chat.

    Ive had to take notes so i dont miss anything.lol

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    Boo - how have you been, havent seen you around much. i hope everything is OK for you?

    Dream Bub - i feel just the same with all the potions i take although im not very good at taking them. I say to myseil i must take ..... before i forget then i forget. im hopeless really. im on and off meds and herbs all the time but you sound like youve got it down pat.

    Alex - Good on you for feeling great with the acupunture, i get very anxious still sometimes. just when im lying on my own i worry. Two weeks off work wow you lucky thing (can i ask what you do) RELAX as much as you can and ENJOY your time. will be thinking of you on the 9th.

    RG - So sorry for the BFN. Nothing i can say will make you feel any better. if you what to know anything re HRT then i will try to help. ive taken it for a few cycles now, although this one is natural.

    Iris - Good luck on the diet. i know i could do with loosing a few lb too. What dose of injections are you on and what brand? Hope all goes well for you

    BW - Great news on the work front you must be feeling a little more at ease? looks like we both had a turnaround, hey? but i didnt quite get the reason
    Sorry to jump in but could you give me some info on the low GI, carb diet that you have as i do suffer from PCOS and really only manage it with the metformin,, and i know that i should be looking closer to home at my diet.

    Well i didnt buy the bookcase (yet) but (shhh) i did buy a great black skirt and new black shoes for tomorrow. just trying to work out how to get it in to the house.

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    No worries at all on sending the info to you as well, Loula. I typed up a copy of the article in a word document, so if you PM me your email address I'll send it across to you. Same goes for anyone else who is interested in it.

    Not picking up as well as I'd hoped tonight... will be an early night for me, I think.

    BW

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    Hi BW,

    I snuck home from work this arvo when I got the BFN news as I was feeling quite stressed...and I was thinking that in your line of work you could never do that, you would just have to put on a brave face and continue on...that would make things a lot harder I think.

    Glad that you're happy with your work schedule, although it's not nice if there's some dodgy politics going on. Sounds like you are doing well & looking on the bright side.

    Cheers,
    RG

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    BW - you enjoy your early night - you've obviously had a really bad couple of days. i'm so glad you've been able to get on top of it all - must have been scary for you! and sounds like your year is looking much more ttc friendly now, which is awesome! can i also jump in there with the low GI details - have got some books and stuff, but some of it is soooo convoluted it's just not funny!

    Alex - let's all pray that's a nice sticky little embie for you. will be thinking of you on the ninth

    Lou - way to go on the retail therapy! sometimes getting a little treat for yourself is the best pick me up you can ask for!

    RG - so sorry about your BFN

    Willow - how did you EPU go today?

    to everyone else that i've missed, a really huge HI and sorry on not many personals - just got in from work and i'm plum tuckered out - couldn't believe how many messages there were here tonight!

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    Sure, BG! But I need an email address to send the word file to... just send it in a PM.

    My school is actually pretty wonderful with everything. When I was booking the time I already need for appointments, I mentioned to the deputy that I would be needing quite a few this year. I'd had a blabbermouth tell him last year that we were TTC, so he turned around and asked "Is this good news, then?"... I figured as he already knew that much, I may as well give him the truth, and he was fantastic - extremely supportive and encouraging and said that whatever time I need I can have... he's even happy with my admission of booking a full day when I have a morning appointment as I would be unsure of my emotional state in returning to work, and he agreed that it was the right thing to do. There's been times in the past where I've had bad news, or become ill during the day (I had a time where I was suffering from crippling stress-induced migraines) and needed to go home and they have organised to cover any remaining classes and I've been free to go. Obviously, if there's a lot of it, they might get a bit twitchy... but it appears that at least in the upper levels of school admin, I've got a lot of support in this. They've always been great with appointments in the past, and I see no reason for this to change now - particularly as I'm being honest with them. In a lot of ways I'm actually feeling very positive about the year ahead - I told one other person at school today, and she's got a private office not far from my staff room and she gave me full permission to go and use her phone any time I needed to make a private call - I'm in a staff area with 15 others and no way to make a phone call that isn't able to be overheard by everyone in there! I think I'm doing really well at twisting potentially bad situations into things that are a lot more positive!

    Sorry for the long babble... I think there's going to be a lot of processing through things in the next few days.

    BW
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    Wow - It's just taken me 1/2 hr to catch up on everyone's posts and I was only on this morning!

    Thanks to BW & Iris for feedback on the steroids. I did have 1 miscarriage last year, and of course in total i have had 11 transfers (usually 2 embies each time) and yet they havent implanted, so I assume the steroids act the same in assisting with implantation and minimising miscarriage?? I also have O neg blood so maybe there are some issue with weird antibodies - I did have an anti D injection just before I miscarried, but I sometimes wonder if it was too late and the clinic might not want to admit it?? If anyone else has O neg blood and knows about the anti d injections I would love to hear from them....

    Lou - if i didnt take my drugs at the same time as breakfast and right before bed I would forget too, but its almost a ritual now.

    Good news though the acupuncturist told me I could stop taking the liquid potion from today - YAY! (it smells like a smoothie of cigarette butts and fertiliser!)

    Dinners up - gotta run. Good luck and best wishes to all

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    Hi Iris,
    I was told that I had PCOS after all my tests and u/s etc, and that's why we did the 3 clomid cycles in 2005. Then in August 06 I had a lap done, and they told me I had everything else, but no PCOS. I don't have a problem with Oing, but I have the weight/acnes issues.
    Can I ask how they diagnose you? Can the symptoms come and go? I just sometimes wonder which doctor was right/wrong.
    I am pleased for you that you have a date/month now, so you have something to look forward to.

    Jo

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    kotare, the whole PCO/PCOS issue is a tricky one.

    You can have PCO (polycystic ovaries) without PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome), just as you can have PCOS without PCO! There are some women with PCOS that have normal ovaries. The syndrome is caused by insulin resistance, which in turn contributes to messing up hormones and that's what causes the acne, hair, weight gain, lack of ovulation, etc. Not everyone with PCOS gets all of those symptoms. I have PCOS, and from my insulin levels I'm quite severely insulin resistant (ie severe PCOS), but I'm not overweight, don't have hair, never had acne in my entire life... I just have PCO, whacked out hormone levels and a complete and utter lack of ovulation! As for which doctor was right or wrong - I have no idea! You can't diagnose PCOS on the appearance of the ovaries alone, and some women with PCOS (and many with obvious symptoms far worse than mine) ovulate on their own with no problems at all. Confused yet?

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    Thanks BW,
    Wow, that's confusing. I wish i had asked more questions at the time! I have an appointment at the end of Feb, and i think i will start a little book to take with me, as both DH and i think of things all the time and then never remember when we are at the appts.
    Thanks for the help
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    BW - i agree - there is just no such thing as a text book PCOS diagnosis - i have ALL the typical symptoms, PCO, hair, acne, weight, no natural ovulation, hormones levels so completely up the creek... - the whole nine yards - and yet one of my buddies has PCOS - with none of them other the the PCO and hormoone imbalance. we were talking tonight about treatment (she has two kidlets - one clomid IUI and one just clomid) - she was saying about how my treatment seems more intense than hers (i've had golf-balling surgery which she never needed, nasal spray...) - she's now concerned as she's about to go back to FS about having bub number 3 - and due to the break she believes her hormone levels have gotten worse. it was kinda weird - instead of me asking her all the questions, she was asking me!

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    Hi Ladies.

    Cant believe im up- had only 4 hours sleep goodness knows how im going to get through the day. we have DH grandma's funeral today and i guess i was just tossing and turning in bed thinking about it all, not going to well between DH anties and my MIL. and i just wish they would stop and celebrate the life of a wonderful women and realise that they would not be here unless it were for her. instead of fighting over who gets what and who orgnises what. I really dont understand sibelin riverary(sp?).(i do have an older brother by 10 years)

    anyway

    Thanks BW for the info i will try to read it tonight and finish off the dellish blue cheese that i bougt first.lol

    Megan just want to wish you all the best for tomorrow just incase i dont get back on before.

    Jo - when i was dignosed with PCOS i was 13, they discovered it b/c of my irregular af and pain during my cycle, so i had a bt and ultrasound and they really only picked it up by ultrasound. Last year my new FS did another BT and it came back 11. she says to be PCO it needs to be over 10 so im only slight. (i think what difference does that make - i sill get the hair, acneand the weight gain) she wasnt to keen to keep me on the metformin but its my saviour. although my skin can still play up. and my cycles are wacked. but i really do need to start to look at my diet as i read that metformin is not ideal to take when pg, so after talking with my FS i will have to come off it around 12 weeks anyway. heres hoping

    DB - i too O- but so is DH. when i had my ectopic at 8 weeks i had to ask the hosiptal for an anti d. (didnt know i needed one untiil after i spoke with MIL. (shes a nurse in Aus and i was in London). i believe there was another thread about this - i ll try to find it. Mods can you help as im not that great at all this.

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