Hi and welcome worrywart! It's never too late to join us. GL with this cycle. I hope 3 is your lucky number. Right now I'm waiting to find out if 5 is our lucky number, so I know just what you mean about the "Yes, I have had this procedure before" thing.
Worriwart & Yogi - hey guys. We will all be in here going through cycles together by the looks of it. Fingers crossed it's a nice easy ride.
I got success with a FET in March this year and then lost the heart beat at 10 weeks. It was hard getting scanned from 6 weeks and 8 weeks and seeing the heart blinking on the screen and hearing the sound on the monitor. You start to get attached to it. Then at the 10 week scan there was a flat line and no sound. Hardest day of our lives so far and definitely the hardest part of the journey. My husband didn't even make it out of the hospital without collapsing in tears......Then I had to go through what they call a Suction and Curette a few days later to remove it all. Everything was sent off for chromosome testing, and it came back clear, but they did tell us it was a boy. Yet another hard day hearing that news! We ended up in grief counselling which helped so much. Then a few weeks after that my Dr put me in for another laparoscopy (3 years since last one) and I had extensive Endometriosis, I really didn't think it would come back that badly from 3 years ago. My bladder was covered and both ovaries were fused to my uterus with it etc etc. He had 6 pages full of before and after shots to show me after the surgery (mmm, great). Phew - the last few months have been quite a ride!!!
Here I am 4 weeks on from all of that ready for another stim cycle. I feel like nothing could be worse than all of that. I never thought we would get through it. But we did. This one will be antagonist with ICSI, so hopefully we get more blasties.
You know we all have our own stories and nothing seems as hard as what we go through ourselves. But just when you think you can't carry on anymore and can't face anymore IVF you somehow find that you actually can. And when these babies do come along they will be so precious and so loved they won't know what hit them.
Lori - I'm rooting for ya honey. Someone once said to me "if you really want a baby you will get one, you just have to be prepared to keep on going". I'm starting to understand what that means (almost 4 years on of trying...).
Have a good night everyone. I'm thinking of you all xoxo
Mindhugs - I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I remember your name and I'm sorry you are back here, but also glad that you have found the strength to come back again and I hope that the result of this journey will be a positive, happy and healthy pregnancy - for both you and your DH. I had a little cry reading your post, this is a tough enough gig without having to deal with such a loss. I believe we are all created equal with the same amount of strength, just that some of us are tested to see how strong we are. I'm so sorry that you had to be tested to such a degree but I am sure your little boy will be with you on this journey and forever. xxx
Trueblue - congrats, thats great news!!
Dreamrise - It's amazing what we'll do, the strength of love for a child that isn't yet here. As a Mum I;m sure you would do anything for your child, and this second child is no different to you. I hope you find the strength to try again if this is what your heart is telling you.
Hi to all the new ladiesand sorry for lack of persies - I have seen another BFP in the 2WW thread so hopefully there will be more of us moving on out of here soon!
AFM - Going to see another FS for a second opinion tomorrow - my FS told me everything with me is perfect and when I asked if anything else could be wrong, I got a very clear 'NO'. Just want to be sure so am getting another opinion even though I am doing another FET this month and am having my first BT next Weds.
Mindhugs - I'm not really sure what to say. The fact that you are back to try again shows how much strength you have and I have my fingers double crossed for you that this next time you get the results you want with no sadness or pain at all.
Worrywart - Welcome! Don't give up hope before you start. I make a rule that I only listen to my horoscope when it's something I want to hear! Hopefully the rough time that it is talking about will be morning sickness!
Lairdoz - I don't like the sound of the FS. Surely there must be something else they can investigate if it is just not working. Hopefully your second opinion will give you all the answers that you are looking for. Good Luck!
AFM - Egg collection day has arrived. I haven't jabbed myself in over 24 hours and I am feeling good! Extremely nervous, however, I think my hands are actually shaking and I still have a couple of hours left. I'm a mixed up ball of emotions at the moment, one minute sure everything will go fine, the next trying not to get my hopes up (and getting them down in the process), and this is only my first go. I have massive amounts of admiration for those of you that have gone through this more than once. You must have truck loads of strength. I thought I was strong until I started this process. Not sure if it is all the hormones working for once in my body but I have wanted to collapse in a teary mess pretty much since day 1. If all this goes well, I think I will be comatose for my TWW.
Anyway, hope you all have a brilliant day filled with good thoughts and great news.
Mini Me - Good luck with your EPU. You will be fine. EPU is actually my favourite part of the whole thing as I loooooove the feeling of the anesthetic. Lucky I'm not into substances like that in the rest of my life or I would be an addict hehehe. Take it easy and just lay back and have a really good sleep.
I always say that I wish they could just leave me under for the TWW, do another transfer if it didn't work and then just wake me up when it did. How nice that would be.....
After having some light bleeding the last two days I was sure I was out (even considered stopping the progesterone), but today's beta was 278. Seems we finally succeeded.
mindhugs: wow what a rough time for you both hopefully another bfp is just around the corner for you and it's a long and healthy pregnancy. Poor DH as well
Juniper: oh chick hugs silently excited for you and hoping to come in here after my insemination tommorrow to see a blinking bfp from you.
AFM: Dh are now anxious to get tommorrow done just both hoping so much that it works. We are staying in the city tonight I don't like the city at all nothing can beat right now where I am looking out over the farm and the cows are in the house paddock so I have 500 sets of eyes staring at me lol tonight it's but lights and crowding but just another little thing to get over so we can get our bfp. The trigger injection last night actually wasn't bad stung a tiny but but I can deal with it at least i know now if it doesn't work that the needles and sdtuff are nothing to stress over.
btw can anyone point me in the direction of the tww thread as I'll probably pop in there for the next two weeks.
Cheers If you don't hear from me in the two weeks it's cause I am trying to keep my mind super busy and I am hoping to see alot less names in this thread. and lots of bfps
hugs everyone
Hi Ladies
Minime ~ GL today, you get lots of great eggies!
Babytruj ~ Congrats hun! Great HCG . Your Pg is a little low but I reckon it will pick up, FX for you!
Trueblue ~ So excited for you!!! Great follies so far, FX hun xoxo
Sevie ~ Hi. GL with your IVF cycle. Just trying to work out your sig - are you doing surrogacy or just donar sperm? Also when you say 98% male factor do you mean DH has very low count etc? Sorry about all the q's just interested to know your story and to get to know you. Wishing you all the very best anyway.
Dreamrise ~ Big hugs sweetie! Sounds like an early m/c to me, most likely chemical pg. So if its any consolation at least you got that 1 step closer and I know how you feel because I had the same thing, close but just not close enough. Yes I would get them to up your dosages next go.
Yogi bear ~ Hi and welcome, GL with your cycle!! So sorry about your m/c's.
Terry ~ welcome back hun. Wishing you all the very best for this go, FX!
Lisa B ~ Sorry about your probs with the nurses. I had kind of a similar experience last IVF try because my nurse went on holidays which is fair enough but I had real trouble trying to get onto other nurses and was doing a lot of it on my own and following the information that I had basically. It kinda sucks lol. GL with this cycle!
Mindhugs ~ Hi. Thanks so much for asking about me, means so much xoxo. So sorry about your m/c - hugs. You may have worked it out by now but for the smilies you have to click on go advanced. Hope you get a BFP again very soon!
Worrywort ~ thanks for your lovely words - hope you can do another try soon and you feel up to it! It is very hard after a couple or few unsuccessful attempts, know how you feel.
Lairdoz ~ Hey hun. GL this month and with the 2nd opinion. Sounds like a good plan xo
Hi Trea ~ Hope you are well
Juniper ~ WOW, Congrats!! That is so wonderful Hope that beta keeps increasing, FX!
Hi to anyone Ive missed and best wishes!
AFM ~ Well came so close to selling our tractor but not quite. Still have one other person maybe interested though so FX. Because the plan is and we are down for another IVF/ICSI Antagonist Cycle in July but we wont be abe to do it unless we sell the tractor and have until about mid June to have the money. So not looking good. If we cant do July we'll prob have to wait until Oct unless we change to Melb clinic. S also hoping we conceive naturally - long shot but you never know. Ive just ovulated and we got plenty of bed dancing in LOL so I guess Im in TWW.
Juniper, wow, fantastic!! So pleased to read this. Keep us posted.
Mindhugs, I was so moved by your story. I also had a bit of a cry. It is amazing what you've been through. GL for your cycle.
Trea, I too love the GA and would also love to be knocked out until pregnant! That is hilarious. I love that idea.
MiniMe: morning sicknes, that would be awesome!
Lisa B: I know what you mean about problems with paperwork and timetables and so forth. We felt like we might as well be doing all the file-keeping and admin ourselves. We followed up on everything. Most of our paperwork was mysteriously lost and faxed/scanned/posted several times.
Also, just a big Hi to everyone and looking forward to getting to know you all.
AFM, sitting here with my cat who's had her ear stitched up from a neighbourhood bullying cat and this ear - well, it is just totally gross. We take her to the vet every second day, and I think we're on their "high maintenance" list. Our cat is certainly quite nervous. I hope we're more chilled out as parents (doubt it!).
Hi Ladies,
Just a quick one - went and saw a new FS today to get a 2nd opinion on why I may not be getting pregnant - he was very thorough, including doing an a vaginal ultrasound to double check everything was OK. I am officially perfect (I will be quoting this to DH regularly from now on). So it's just luck for me which I know you all appreciate can feel like a bad thing because I can't do anymore than I am already doing which is both very expensive and so emotionally draining, but such is life.
I asked specifically about auto-immune conditions (NK cells etc as well) and he said it wouldn't be a problem if you have had a successful pregnancy before as recently as I have for this to be the reason for not getting pregnant again through IVF. He had a lovely manner about him and was in no way dismissive so I feel like this was the right answer! If anyone in Perth wants a 2nd opinion doc I am happy to PM his details as I feel so much better, like I was listened to which doesn't really happen at my current FS.
I am happy but sad at the same time as I had hoped I could take a pill to make it better and get pregnant but I guess I am destined to spend more money trying to make this a reality.
Have a great weekend ladies xxx
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Juniper - Congrats.... do they always tell you the actual numbers?
When I had my first blood test they just told me that the number was too low to be pregnant (which I already knew since my period started really badly the day before) but too high for normal so when I had the follow up test on Friday they told me that my levels are okay now and it means I did have a chemical pregnancy. They also told me my rubella immunisation level is okay so I asked what it actually was - 34 (it was a 10 before I was re-immunised and it should be above 20). So atleast that's good to know that I'm okay with that now. I just find my clinic hardly give out any details or information.
I was teaching all day today (and will be teaching all day tomorrow) and it has been such a horrid week (on top of finding out I'm not pregnant I had a girl I had started to date not only dump me but actually turn really nasty! and then partly due to that I had a good friend get upset with me and it nearly ruined our friendship... as it is I think it has damaged it alot... though hopefully mostly repairable). I only got a few hours sleep last night so was feeling a bit of a wreck today. I teach adults (mostly mature age women) so in class today we were talking about different ways to get information and I told them that I have found forums can be a good way to learn from others experiences and shared the fact I am going through IVF and that I have found it helpful to find out what doses of hormones other women are on, what tests their clinics carry out etc so I know what to ask my clinic. It's the first time I've mentioned anything about my TTC journey to any one other than close friends (and you guys) so I felt a bit nervous sharing but was then disappointed that none of them asked me about it or acted supportive during the break (normally my students are a very supportive group). I have one deaf student and her interpreter spoke to me a bit about it (told me I should go home - but there is no one else to take the class and some of my students drive up to 7 hours return trip to attend class - so I can't bail on them). Anyway she shared that her sister-in-law had 3 IVF attempts (including 1 chemical pregnancy) but was not successful so is now going through the adoption process (not the sort of news I needed to hear). :-(
Loops - I can relate to the stress of having to sell something to afford to keep trying. I am currently trying to sell a few of my horses and not only do I need the money from their sale but the longer I have the more it is costing me (as they are all being hand-fed). It's very frustrating.
Where do you normally go for treatment? I have family friends in Leongatha... husband and wife both worked at Leongatha Secondary School for years (think they are both retired now). They actually live in Meningn (however it's spelt). I think one of their daughters (probably a couple of years older than you) lives in Leongatha still and not sure about their other daughter and son. As a kid we used to always spend alot of school holidays with them and I remember the countryside always seeming green... where I grew up (just on the outskirts of Werribee) and where my grandparents had their farm (Donald) was always so brown and dry that gippsland was a nice refreshing relief.
So I have an appointment with the clinic next Thursday. Apparently I need to wait for my next period (and I have been warned it could be a long cycle - it normally varies from 4 to 8 weeks so I'm hoping it's not too much longer than 8 weeks). Then I will be starting on "the pill and injections pretty much straight away"??? I'll be interested to find out what they mean - surely they dont' mean the contraceptive pill and injections at the same time? Apparently this time I won't be on synarel at all and they are aiming for a shorter cycle... but they aren't increasing my hormone dosage at all. I am going to ask them about this at my appointment as this will be the last cycle I can afford and since last time only resulted in one embryo I think they should be increasing my hormones to insure I get a few (as I could hopefully afford one more frozen transfer if I have any embryo's left over but not enough to start from scratch).
Any advice on what I should be asking for or about. I think I will definately need that 2ww sleeping pill though - I'm worried the reason I had a chemical preg and didn't end up pregnant is because I was stressing so much and maybe the stress effected the embryo?
Dreamrise, I asked for the numbers. If you're switching to an antagonist protocol (which it sounds like if there's no synarel) I found I responded much more quickly on that protocol without increasing my dose. It was also the cycle that gave us the most eggs ever (although, that was only 7 instead of 5/6 - my ovaries are stubborn). As for stress affecting the outcome, this cycle we were burgled, my Dad had a cancer scare and we had the EDD from our early m/c (today). It's the most stressed I've ever been (was completely overwhelmed to be honest and just about at the point of refusing to get out of bed) and it's our first IVF BFP. Just do all the things you've been told and you'll give yourself the best chance you can.
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Gosh I haven't been on BB for 3 days and so much has happened!!
Juniper - your BFP is absolutely fantastic. I"m so thrilled for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dreamrise - Sorry about your chemical. I think the jury is out about the impact of stress. I've seen so many people on BB stressed but still get a BFP. I know the experience of people not asking you about TTC or IVF. My friends all know I'm TTC and now on IVF. I find that only the ones who have had a TTC journey themselves ask me about where I'm up to. I think the other just don't know what questions to ask or understand the emotions involved.
Trueblue - Hope this is the only cycle you need.
Inshell - nice to hear from you, sorry you've ended up here as well. You've had an amazing result so far and I hope it ends in a BFP.
Minime - I will be happy if I get 7 eggs. I read on an American website that 7 eggs is a good minimum number. for a great fert. rate.
Yogi - I think I will be cycling with you as well. I'm on the down reg but will be starting the injections (if all goes well) on Thursday.
Lairdoz - it must be both frustrating and a relief to hear that it is just a numbers game for you. It must be tough to have several BFNs and to muster the strength to come back for yet another cycle.
Worrywart - welcome. I can't believe they messed your paperwork up as well. I would be doing the same if my kitty was beaten up.
Loops - and your paperwork messed up too, why do we pay so much money for this kind of service. I hope you sell your tractor really soon. I've heard so many stories of people who've fallen pregnant after doing IVF so hoping for a natural BFP isn't insane....hopefully you won't need the next IVF cycle and the tractor money can go to the nursery.
Hi to anyone else I have missed. I tried to keep up but there's been so much action since I was here 3 days ago. I hope we can all keep adding to the amazing string of BFPs in the coming week and months.
AFM: Went away for the weekend with a group of friends, some with children and other without. I felt really lonely because I didn't fit the parent set but didn't fit the DINK set either. It was like I had glass wall between me and my friends with kids...like I'm supposed to be doing those child activities but I'm not. Anyhow just a little whinge. It was beautiful place in the country and I was very lucky to go away and have amazing friends.
Cycle-wise--I'm now off the pill and having a withdrawal bleed. Still on the syneral and beginning to like the taste (crazy I know). The bottle fell over a few times in my handbag so I hope that's okay, it says it's supposed to stay upright. My scan is booked for Thursday and if that all goes well I start the injections then.
Loops - Thanks for the advice, kinda getting used to the crinone. Good luck selling your tractor, hopefully you won't need to do another cycle!
Inshelligent - wow, 9 frozen! Hopefully you won't need them this time, good luck for your blood test tomorrow!
Dreamrise - sorry about your results. I have heard that stress can play a part, but it just sucks, because how are you not supposed to stress?!?
Lisa B - Hopefully you'll fit in with your parent friends really soon. I must say, after 4 months of being on synarel I got used to the taste, but I can't say I like it! Don't worry too much if it falls over. I think just as long as it has been sitting upright for an hour or so before you take it. This way it distributes evenly I think.
AFM - all 7 eggs fertilised and have started to divide. My DH has decided the reason for this is that he is so perfect... go figure! Still playing the waiting game... Transfer will be Wednesday all going well.
Good luck to everyone in your various stages of TTC. Try not to stress too much!! (I wish I could take my own advice!)
MINIME: Goodluck for wedneday fx'd for you.
This whole tww is going fast but slow at the asame time it's already almost monday time for the first post inseminatiion jab but on the other hand the 10th feels like a million years away
Lairdoz, Mini Me, Tru Blue, Worrywart, Loops & Yogi Bear - thanks so much for your kind words. The support in here is always amazing. These things certainly make you stronger, although it doesn't feel it at the time....
Juniper - great news, congrats and fingers crossed for the next chapter
Loops - so good to hear from you. I have abstained from BB whilst grieving and recovering, but kept you in my thoughts. I'm sure you'll have no probs selling that tractor. We are about to go through our garage to see what else we can sell to bankroll this next IVF stim. We'll be well and truly dry after that
Inshell - you pulled good numbers honey. Well done.
Dreamrise - sorry about your results. It's impossible not to stress to some degree. So hard to interpret what people say to you (or don't say to you) about what you are going through. I've heard some hurtful stuff, but I have to believe that people feel awkward about this topic and don't know what to say.
Lisa B - you like the taste of Synarel? That must be a world first. I suck water up my nostrils about 5mins before taking it, which seems to help the pain, and then suck a piece of orange straight after to get rid of the taste. I wouldn't worry about that bad boy falling over in your bag a few times.
MiniMe - good luck for your transfer girlfriend. We'll all be praying for you.
AFM - went to yet another naturopath. This one is a qualified pathologist and spent an hour reading copies of all my blood tests and did another one herself whilst I was there. She said I have a history of extremely low progesterone and there is no way I would carry a pregnancy with my levels. For the 3 transfers I've had, my IVF Dr never gave me the pessaries to use??? Why not? I looked up my levels and they are way below, as in between 1 - 6. It can't get much lower than that surely??? I don't know what to think now..........
Hi Loops.mum is doing ok thanks.she has started chemo again.we had got the stagin of her cancer which had been stage 3c but she has been downstaged since her mastectomy.although her drs arent saying whether they think she will beat the cancer or not.so still a long road to go yet.she finally started driving again last week after about 3 months with everything that had gone on with her feet.
good luck to those testing this week or having procedures and hugs to those that havent had their bfp yet.
AFM- Im kinda confused at the moment(TMI warning).for most of the last year i have had on average about a 8 week cycle.i think last af arrived around may 3rd.anyway when i ducked to loo saturday arvo i had some light bleeding but only when i wiped,but thought hmmm ok maybe af trying to come on a normal range cycle and expected to wake up with af yesterday.nope same thing all day yesterday just light bleeding when i went to loo.i even put on a pad to be on safe side and there hasnt even really been anything on it.so i really dont know if its af being stupid or whats going on.its just frustrating
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GL with this cycle. I hope 3 is your lucky number. Right now I'm waiting to find out if 5 is our lucky number, so I know just what you mean about the "Yes, I have had this procedure before" thing.
you get lots of great eggies!
Great HCG
. Your Pg is a little low but I reckon it will pick up, FX for you!
Big hugs sweetie! Sounds like an early m/c to me, most likely chemical pg. So if its any consolation at least you got that 1 step closer and I know how you feel because I had the same thing, close but just not close enough. Yes I would get them to up your dosages next go.
Hope that beta keeps increasing, FX!
Hope this is the only cycle you need.
for a great fert. rate.
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