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    Marcellus has it right... you want to communicate to your kids in a way in which they'll grow up and still want to communicate with you because you are fair. Everyone has needs - this method ensures everyones needs are met, and helps you separate needs from values and deal with them accordingly.

    As per the above post, there are three methods of parenting and the first two are mostly used:

    Method 1. Authoritarian, where the parent is in control
    Method 2. Permissive, where the parenting is more passive and child ends up getting what they want
    Method 3. (sorry forgot the name was up very late, will check back) But basically it's where both parent and child have their needs met.

    In those first two scenarios both parent and child end up with bad feelings. Guilt, powerlessness, dominance - loads of negative feelings. And the kids grow up with these issues - the kid who gets their way - perhaps may turn into a selfish/bully kind of person. The child who has a parent who is authoritarian will break out eventually and rebel. But where you both have an outcome you're happy with, it breeds respect, life skills (negotiation), achievement, satisfaction - because both parties are satisfied with a mutally agreed outcome where no-one gives in and no-one overpowers the other.

    Active listening in itself has been a huge thing for me especially for my daughter who isn't very forthcoming with her feelings, she's really coming out with problems totally unrelated to what I thought they were.

    PET teaches you to find out the root problem and aid the child to resolve it themselves - who owns the problem? They do so they need skills in working out solutions. You can't fix their problems for them, they need to grow up and learn how to do this... so you guide them in the process, without punishment, rewards (breeds dependence on the parent) and it does work!

    By using method 3 of PET, you breed a strong relationship with your child, as well as strong communication. Methods 1 & 2 breed resent and can erode parent/child relationships.

    Think about it, how do you feel when you've completely dominated your child over a situation - you felt really crappy for having to do it, so does your child. When they have dominated you, you feel like a failure, crappy too, confidence drops.... but you feel great after you've both found a solution that works for both of you.

    Hope this makes sense. Tired! lol.
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    So when changing youir parenting style how do your children cope with the changes?
    Do you explain that you have learnt a new way to do things??

    what is the childs perspective on this change?

    sorry for the Qs just wondering

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    So when changing youir parenting style how do your children cope with the changes?
    Do you explain that you have learnt a new way to do things??

    what is the childs perspective on this change?

    sorry for the Qs just wondering
    With older kids I would say yes, definately explain what you are doing and why. Even give them material to read themselves. Otherwise they may suspect you are trying new tricks to manipulate them.

    With young ones, I don't think you need to be explicit about it.

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    I have found that I was already doing some things that they teach, so its not a MAJOR change, but at the same time, some things have. But in terms of the changes, they have responded extremely positively right away, no issue at all, and which child would have an issue when they feel they are being heard and understood? For example if your hubby came home and said, 'You've been working so hard all day, you must be tired, let me take over those dishes for you.' Maybe you'd be surprised at first - but wouldn't take much to get used to - and how good would you feel? Appreciated? Understood? Like he KNOWS what you're going through.

    Same with the kids. They respond so much better because they feel the love and the care. Not dictatorship or that mum is a pushover. You also have to bear in mind, its not like you do this every single day - you dont have problems every day that require this. Once a week we seem to have one major outburst requiring what we've learnt at PET. Then I can solve it quickly with peace, then get on with my evening while they sleep happily in bed. The more you practice it, the less you end up using it because the communication is tonnes better. Who wants a stressful home?
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    The authoritative parent attempts to direct the child's activities but in a rational, issue-oriented manner. She [the parent] encourages verbal give and take, shares with the child the reasoning behind her policy, and solicits his objections when he refuses to conform. Both autonomous self-will and disciplined conformity are valued. [She values both expressive and instrumental attributes, both autonomous self-will and disciplined conformity] ... Therefore she exerts firm control at points of parent-child divergence, but does not hem the child in with restrictions. She enforces her own perspective as an adult, but recognizes the child's individual interests and special ways. The authoritative parent affirms the child's present qualities, but also sets standards for future conduct. She uses reason, power, and shaping by regime and reinforcement to achieve her objectives, and does not base her decisions on group consensus or the individual child's desires. [... but also does not regard herself as infallible, or divinely inspired.] (p. 891) [Note that portions in brackets are significant additions to the prototype in Baumrind (1967).]
    Now this is, I'd say, more or less how I was parented. And it seems pretty right to me. Children don't have the brain development to make many of the decisions that their parents should make. It is important to respect each child as an individual who has different needs and different preferences to others. But this description of a parenting style doesn't seem very "democratic". If the parent is in control at points of divergence, and does not base her decisions on group consensus, that's not democracy. It does seem to me like sensible parenting, though.

    I think I must be misunderstanding the material on the PET website.

    Thanks for the advice and comments, everyone.

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    There's not much out there unfortunately and of course not everything is perfect... but compared to everything else out there... this is as close to it as I can find. There is alot of bad crap out there, teaching punishments and authoritative styles.
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    So when changing youir parenting style how do your children cope with the changes?
    Do you explain that you have learnt a new way to do things??

    what is the childs perspective on this change?

    sorry for the Qs just wondering
    I've noticed recently I'm getting cross and raising my voice at my DD more often than I should. I'm getting more easily irritated. It has more to do with the amount of stress on me from working hard outside of home for a long stretch (which thankfully is about to slow down) and working on my relationship issues than DD.

    I noticed she had been shouting at her little friend yesterday (and me) when she didn't like something. So I sat down with DD (three year old) and said that Mummy had been shouting too much (and being demanding of her) and that wasn't very nice of me and I'm going to stop shouting at her. Wouldn't that make Mummy a bit nicer to be around? And I asked her since Mummy was going to try her best to stop shouting, maybe DD could also try not shouting at anyone either? She agreed and we've both been much better.

    I don't think they are too young to talk to them about how you're dealing with them, at any age. I saw a thing on Dr Phil once where the parents agreed to stop smacking their four children (all under 7 I think) and they sat down with all the kids and explained what they were changing and why and the kids just threw their arms around them. It was beautiful. The parents were in tears. Of course, you'd do it in an age-appropriate way.

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    What do you do in a home where your DH is VERY Authoritarian bordering on downright mean? He rules by fear whereas I am very different.

    I have found with DD who is nearly 18 that we have a great relationship (most of the time LOL) because I am open with her, she tells me things and is very honest with me, DH of course thinks we are in collusion to gang up against him.

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    Tough one, mrsmac. DP doesn't always agree with everything I do, but usually defers (doesn't have much choice LOL). I don't always agree with the way he behaves in front of DD, but usually he will recognise that it's not the right thing to do (he just has trouble stopping himself at the time, ie shouting, swearing, etc).

    TBH, I think it's the parent whose behaviour/style is disrespectful (towards you, your child, or other people) who tends to destroy their credibility and relationship with their child in the end. If there's a clear disconnect in that relationship, then that's an easy way to point out that it's not working for them. Even at three, DD is not as close to DP because of the way he behaves (and it's not even directed at her). So I'd hope that if you're the open and respectful parent, your DD is learning that from you. Her attitude towards her father and men in general might be something else.

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    mrsmac - would he go to a PET workshop? Then he can not only see how his style of parenting is ineffective and harful, but he can get tools for a better way. If he's not careful the kids will grow up and the effects will be seen more clearly. If he wont go, if you could get the book and try things yourself maybe he might pick up on some of it and see how they react, but on the other hand what he's doing may be a reflection on that similar style being inflicted upon him as a kid. Might be a good discussion you can have with him, what it was like growing up for him and how it made him feel. You guys really need to be on the same side and parent the same way for things to work though
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    Strangely DH's parents weren't as strict as mine. He has a lot of anger issues and has stopped seeing anyone to get help so I doubt he'd go to do a parenting course. Annoyingly DS behaves better for DH cause he is scared so DH thinks it works whereas he sees him muck up for me so obviously my parenting style is ineffectual IYKWIM?
    There are so many other things going on in our family atm with regards to DH's behaviour that this is really the tip of the iceberg. Is it any use me being the PET parent?

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    The ideal parenting style is authoritative parenting.

    The 3 parenting styles were written about by Baumrind, D. (1967). Child care practices anteceding three patterns of preschool behavior. Genetic Psychology Monographs, 75(1), 43-88. You can google for info. Here's the main idea:

    The permissive parent attempts to behave in a nonpunitive, acceptant and affirmative manner towards the child's impulses, desires, and actions. She [the parent] consults with him [the child] about policy decisions and gives explanations for family rules. She makes few demands for household responsibility and orderly behavior. She presents herself to the child as a resource for him to use as he wishes, not as an ideal for him to emulate, nor as an active agent responsible for shaping or altering his ongoing or future behavior. She allows the child to regulate his own activities as much as possible, avoids the exercise of control, and does not encourage him to obey externally defined standards. She attempts to use reason and manipulation, but not overt power to accomplish her ends (p. 889).

    The authoritarian parent attempts to shape, control, and evaluate the behavior and attitudes of the child in accordance with a set standard of conduct, usually an absolute standard, theologically motivated and formulated by a higher authority. She [the parent] values obedience as a virtue and favors punitive, forceful measures to curb self-will at points where the child's actions or beliefs conflict with what she thinks is right conduct. She believes in keeping the child in his place, , in restricting his autonomy, and in assigning household responsibilities in order to inculcate respect for work. She regards the preservation of order and traditional structure as a highly valued end in itself. She does not encourage verbal give and take, believing that the child should accept her word for what is right (p. 890).

    The authoritative parent attempts to direct the child's activities but in a rational, issue-oriented manner. She [the parent] encourages verbal give and take, shares with the child the reasoning behind her policy, and solicits his objections when he refuses to conform. Both autonomous self-will and disciplined conformity are valued. [She values both expressive and instrumental attributes, both autonomous self-will and disciplined conformity] ... Therefore she exerts firm control at points of parent-child divergence, but does not hem the child in with restrictions. She enforces her own perspective as an adult, but recognizes the child's individual interests and special ways. The authoritative parent affirms the child's present qualities, but also sets standards for future conduct. She uses reason, power, and shaping by regime and reinforcement to achieve her objectives, and does not base her decisions on group consensus or the individual child's desires. [... but also does not regard herself as infallible, or divinely inspired.] (p. 891) [Note that portions in brackets are significant additions to the prototype in Baumrind (1967).]

    Background Information: Child Qualities & Parenting Styles


    Authoritative Parenting

    • lively and happy disposition
    • self-confident about ability to master tasks.
    • well developed emotion regulation
    • developed social skills
    • less rigid about gender-typed traits (exp: sensitivity in boys and independence in girls)

    Authoritarian Parenting

    • anxious, withdrawn, and unhappy disposition
    • poor reactions to frustration (girls are particularly likely to give up and boys become especially hostile)
    • do well in school (studies may show authoritative parenting is comparable)
    • not likely to engage in antisocial activities (exp: drug and alcohol abuse, vandalism, gangs)

    Permissive Parenting

    • poor emotion regulation (under regulated)
    • rebellious and defiant when desires are challenged.
    • low persistence to challenging tasks
    • antisocial behaviors