Re: the driving my mum mentioned it first and we were saying about how it may be good for him to have some independence, i was only going of the age as per mum.

It is an issue with my mum, she has advised me on numerous occasions about how embarrassing it can be to go out with them as they act like 5yr olds, it got to a point they stopped going to restaurants with friends.

I understand not all men can aim for the toilet and there can be issues causing this etc but my point is they KNOW they do it, they go bright red when you ask them about it and they know which one of them did it... they don't clean it up and they blame each other.. it's disgusting!

I love my brothers and i only want the best for them, i don't want to CHANGE them as such i just want them to be able to get through life without being constantly picked on or being the boys who don't have friends because they wont act their age.
Tonight my 12yr old brother got in trouble for playing with DD's (1) toy piano and snatching it off her.. i mean really!

Mum admits she babies them and it's mainly her fault.. hopefully the move will get them a little out of their comfort zone and make them realise mum and her friends are not the only people in the world!

I'm sorry if i sound horrible i just worry about them.