Jenushka - it's amazing how either everything good comes at once or in our cases all bad things seem to turn up together. here's an extra for you for your grandfather. i'm sure it won't be long and DH will be snapped up by someone else. There's times when you just hate to look around you and see all the pg bellies. It's not a case of wanting it away from them - you'd just love to be able to join them.

All the best with the naturopath/herbalist. It's something I think I need to look into. I've tried clomid many times over the last twelve years and just had six months on tamoxifen, which my DH doesn't want me back on, maybe it's time to look at some other form. I'm getting too old to wait for to much longer, but I'm just not ready to put wanting another baby aside. A bit crazy seeing as though my boys are 16 and 11 it's almost like starting again - i guess it is - i just know i have so much more to give.

Larz - congratulations. that's a great result