sj - i know.. how do you draw the line.. it;s very hard.
you need to be gentle but let them know you mean business and they cant get away with some things. and instil discipline, but not being too harsh, and then whatever you do, they dont bother anymore.
i;ve seen with my cousins, when their dad used to cane them, so much so that caning no longer scared them.

yes, bron, skye, trina maybe you can impart your wisdom ...