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  1. #1
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    Mar 2007
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    I shouldn't have googled!

    I have written a thread about this before but I can't find it. I keep worrying about having another baby and how I will have enough time for my DD and how I will love it enough! I keep thinking it will be taking time and attention away from my DD and getting sad. I can't get it out of my head!! We are thinking about TTC soon.

    So anyway... I just googled to look for some articles... there was some good stuff to put my mind at ease but also the opposite!! Here's a part of one article:

    The night before the birth of my second child, the obstetrician on ward duty stopped at the foot of my bed, and after surveying my case notes for a moment, said in what I assume was supposed to be a sympathetic manner: "Not many people realise that giving birth is still one of the most dangerous things a woman can do." Not exactly tactful, I thought, but I let it pass. Two weeks previously, I'd been hospitalised with pre-eclampsia, a pregnancy-related condition that can be fatal, so his remark was to some extent justified.
    My son Solomon was born at four o'clock the next day. An easy delivery. A healthy baby boy. Within minutes of the birth, however, things started to go wrong. Something to do with the placenta, not the pre-eclampsia. She's haemorrhaging, someone said. Someone else took the baby away and handed him to my husband. The tranquil, dimly lit delivery room of a moment before was deluged with medical staff and glaring lights. A consent form was pushed in front of me. My fingers were folded around a pen. I had no idea what I was consenting to, could barely hold the pen. Some time later I regained consciousness. A large blood transfusion was feeding into one arm, a hefty dose of antibiotics into the other. You're out of danger, everyone congratulated me. Thank heavens for modern medicine!
    Looking back on my son's birth, frightening as it was, it nevertheless seems like a thinly worked prologue to the complex drama that came next. Giving birth is dangerous, without a doubt, but the dangers that accompany motherhood come in many forms, I would learn, and physical danger was by no means the only one to fear.
    The following day, my husband brought our two-and-a-half year old daughter, Jessie, into hospital to meet her new brother. How many picture books had we read to her to prepare for this moment? How much thought had we given to how to make this first encounter a joyful and positive one for her? And yet, for all our careful preparations, no fraction of anxiety had been given to what actually happened.
    The little girl who walked through the door, nervously holding her father's hand; who scrambled up on to the hospital bed and threw herself on top of me in a wholehearted embrace, was not the child I'd said goodbye to two days before. A bizarre metamorphosis had occurred. She looked huge, suddenly. No longer a little girl at all. Compared to the baby's delicate limbs, her toddler hands and feet seemed enormous. Compared to his newborn fragility, her chunky vitality seemed almost menacing. In the space of just 48 hours my eye had become, shockingly, unaccustomed to her.
    A week later, I was discharged from hospital and went home to a new life as the mother of two children. Already drained by a difficult pregnancy and labour, I was wholly unprepared for the emotional rollercoaster that lay ahead, caring - or trying to care - for a tetchy baby and a demanding toddler. I became the kind of mother I never dreamed I'd be, the kind of mother who coos at her baby, then in the next breath snaps at her bewildered toddler.
    The next few months were a nightmare - bad for me, infinitely worse for my daughter, a hideous waking dream that never ended. I'd worried about whether I would be able to love the baby; the truth was that in those early days with two children, it was not the baby, but my daughter I had difficulty loving.
    Baffled by my coldness, she clung, played up, acted out; in short, did whatever she could to try to recover our previous closeness. She commandeered the freshly washed babygrows for her teddies, climbed into the Moses basket in her muddy wellies; when I sat down to breastfeed, she'd clamber on to my shoulders; when I finally got the baby off to sleep, she'd thrust her face into his and wake him up again. Her increasingly extravagant efforts to reclaim my attention inevitably had the opposite effect.
    I was scarcely less distressed than she was by the abrupt change in our relationship. It was like walking into a favourite room to find everything has been rearranged: the furniture, the pictures, the objects inside the cupboards and drawers, the knick-knacks on the shelves, the cushions on the sofa, the books on the table. However hard I tried, I could not get my bearings. Nothing was where I expected it or how I wanted it. I wandered through this skewed landscape in a state of agonised disorientation, lost and mapless.
    When I looked at my little girl, I felt none of the things I wanted to feel. When she turned to me, it was like being confronted by a stranger. Only late at night, when I'd tiptoe into her room to kiss her goodnight and pause to look down at her sleeping face, would I feel something of the steady tenderness of before. Even now, 12 years on, it hardly bears thinking about what that time must have been like for her.
    Was it shame at my failure to love her properly that made me so determined to hide the fact from everybody else? I could have won an Oscar for the performance I put on for the health visitor. Depressed? Certainly not. Coping OK? Absolutely fine. I told no one, neither friends, nor family. I didn't even confide in my husband. What could I have said? He would have been appalled. And his would have been the natural reaction. I, surely, was the unnatural one.
    Guilt-racked, addled from a lack of sleep, awash with hormones, I had few reserves to think about, let alone deal with what was happening. What little energy I possessed for the practical and emotional tasks of mothering were directed wholly towards the baby. Not because I wanted it that way, just because it was that way.
    An evolutionary imperative that preferenced the most vulnerable child? A form of postnatal depression? A flaw in my mothering capacity? All of the above? But perhaps larger influences were also at work. According to the psychologist Penny Munn, mothering in western culture is "based on ideas of romantic love that assume a good mother will replicate a nurturing, romantic relationship with each successive child".
    Now this has me worried, shouldn't have googled. I don't want my feelings for my DD to change!!!! Is this a common experience??

  2. #2

    May 2008
    Melbourne, Vic
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    Heaven, you poor thing!! Google is not your friend

    From a personal point of view, I'll let you know in 26 weeks or so

    But watching my sister - no, I do not think this is a common thing! Well it hasn't happened to her anyway. She (and family) lives with my parents so I really don't think she could hide it if she were feeling that way, and TBH we are close enough that I think she would tell me if something were wrong!

    She has just as much love and tenderness for DD, now that her DS has arrived! Maybe not quite as much time, but as much love, I am sure.

    And FWIW, I can't see this happening to you either. You and DD have such a special bond, seriously, I don't see that breaking. Also your DD wouldn't be as big and old as the DD in the article...

    Will be interested to see what other people say...

  3. #3
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    Mar 2006
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    Heaven I don't have the time right now but I am going to come back to you because you are thinking exactly the same as I did and I would love to share my story with you. I'll be back tonight.

  4. #4
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    Oct 2006
    Perth
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    Heaven, thanks for the link

    I do relate to the authors feelings and I completely get your concern about having a second baby. I think the biggest shock for me was that I never even considered this before we had DD, so having these feelings of guilt and sadness knocked me for a six. I didn't expect feeling like this at all. So it's good that you recognise how you *might* feel when a second comes along and you can deal with it better. That's what I'm finding now that I acknowledged my feelings and talked to DH and family and friends about it. The sense of sadness and longingness for the old relationship I had with DS is still there, but it gets better and I still love him, if not more. And there is still room for love for DD too and DH

  5. #5
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    Mar 2007
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    Thanks guys. I guess I have to focus on how much I will be giving to DD by giving her a sibling rather than what I may be taking away (i.e. a bit of my attention). I know I definitely want more babies, it's just so hard to imagine how it will all work out.

    I am also a bit worried bc if I try and imagine having another baby, if I imagine the baby to be a girl I think 'Oh, that would be nice, how cute, a sister for DD'. But if I imagine it to be a boy I think 'Hmm...not ready' and can't really imagine loving a boy like I do DD. Which is worrying bc I actually think I will have a boy next for some reason. Will I not love a boy as much?? I have no idea why I think this! Maybe it's just because I can't imagine it because I only have a girl (which is weird because I have never had a sister, I have 4 younger brothers, so I shouldn't be scared!). But I feel like I would much prefer a girl. I feel like I couldn't be as close to a boy as I am with DD. How awful of me!!

    I just have to trust that things will work out. I remember before DD was born feeling sad that it wouldn't be just me and DH anymore and that we wouldn't have as much time together. I couldn't possibly have imagined how much I would love her and how it doesn't feel like she is 'intruding' on DH and I or anything, she is part of 'us'. I guess, even though I can't imagine it now, a new baby will also become part of 'us'. Doesn't stop me worrying about it though! lol.

  6. #6
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    Mar 2007
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    I'm not going to read that article you posted Heaven .... however I must say that I too, have been thinking ALOT, every day.... about how #2 will come into our family and how it will change things... I get really nervous thinking about it and sometimes feel a bit panicky because DD has grown up so fast already I just want to enjoy her while she's so little with no other distractions!! Yet at the same time, DH and I very much so want to give her a little brother or sister to play with!! She just LOVES kids.... she is drawn to them....

    It's so difficult to know when the right time to start TTC again is I think!! Maybe it is just one of those things you just have to 'bite the bullet on'? It certainly takes up alot of my thoughts too so I know how you feel!!!!

    I too, don't know how I will have enough love for another baby some days!!! I love my DD soo much and she loves her 100% mummy attention she gets from me!! And then I think how on earth will i even have time for DH aswell as a baby and a toddler?!?!?! Yet we definitely want 3-4 kids!!

    I'm interested to hear more stories

  7. #7
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    Nov 2006
    brisbane
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    Heaven hun you can come talk to me anytime...Ds1 was a booby feind so I know what your talking about...I will say its tough and it does change but its so so so worht it...especially when he makes DS2 giggle

    We will meet up soon if you like x

  8. #8

    May 2008
    Melbourne, Vic
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    I am also a bit worried bc if I try and imagine having another baby, if I imagine the baby to be a girl I think 'Oh, that would be nice, how cute, a sister for DD'. But if I imagine it to be a boy I think 'Hmm...not ready' and can't really imagine loving a boy like I do DD. Which is worrying bc I actually think I will have a boy next for some reason. Will I not love a boy as much?? I have no idea why I think this! Maybe it's just because I can't imagine it because I only have a girl (which is weird because I have never had a sister, I have 4 younger brothers, so I shouldn't be scared!). But I feel like I would much prefer a girl. I feel like I couldn't be as close to a boy as I am with DD. How awful of me!!
    That's not awful of you, it is HONEST of you.

    And if I am completely honest... I could have written the exact same thing, except I only have one sister, no brothers! And if I am even more honest... I still freak out every now and then when I think about this little boy baby growing inside me.

    What do I know about boys???? What kind of relationship will we have? With DD, we can go shopping, we can do girlie stuff... what about mother and son relationships?? How will I build that?

    But I figure there must be capacity within me to love a boy just as much as a girl, or else God wouldn't have given me this precious gift, to love and nurture.

    I just have to trust that my mothering instincts will take over and I will be just as smitten with him as I was with DD when she was born.

  9. #9
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    Jun 2008
    Tassie
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    hunni I am not far of having number 4

    It isn't common what she's experienced.

    I don't love my kids any less than the other. I do however find that there are things I love about THEM and only them.

    I love Jaidans love for learning, and his sweet nature, and how honest he is and so gentle.
    I love Chases boisterous side, and how much he adores Ashton, and how he picks me flowers all the time.
    I love how cheeky Ashton is, and the cuddles he gives, and how he will walk into ANY room and light it up with his smile and personality (ok and I love the ringlets)

    I am sure there will be many things I will only love about Levi.

    I will say I enjoy Ashton more than I ever enjoyed the boys. That is because when they were little (and only 14 months apart so that was hard on it's own) I was stuck in a crappy relationship and felt miserable. They were more like a chore 40% of the time which is horrible to say I had depression etc. So this time I have been a lot happier. At the end of the day though I love them all so much!

    Jaidan and Chase were hard, close in age and it was a lot of work!! There were days when I thought "what the HELL have I done" but you DO have bad days and you take them with the good

  10. #10
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    oh man ......... so shouldn't have read that, now I am worrying about TTC #2

  11. #11
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    Mar 2007
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    OP- thankyou! I need some friends with 2 babies!! So I can see what it's like!

    NaeNae- eek...sorry!!!!

  12. #12
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    NaeNae- eek...sorry!!!!
    no worries hun

    FWIW friends of ours have had 2 under 2 and the eldest doesn't really remember not having the youngest nor having mummy to himself so I think that its a good thing to have the next close in age. She also has special time with the eldest and daddy takes youngest etc and vise versa.

    maybe some people are better at juggling then others??

    Nae x

  13. #13
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    Apr 2008
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    It wasn't my experience at all - I love DD1 more than I ever did and seeing her with her baby sister has just been a joy! I know things changed for her and she did act out a bit but over all it has been amore positive than negative experience for all of us.

    I did get the "I can't believe how huge she is" moment though - especially when I had to put her night nappy on!!

  14. #14
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    Apr 2008
    Melbourne
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    FWIW - this morning I was wishing that DD2 was going to childcare today and I was home just with DD1 DD2 has been teething and screaming for days on end so she isn't my preferred company at the moment

  15. #15
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    Feb 2008
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    Well... i went through a similar thing... but i blame PND.
    DO NOT be put off for TTC#2 at all!!!!!
    I love them both equally now, but at the start it was hard getting used to all the change etc....

  16. #16

    Oct 2005
    A Nestle Free Zone... What about YOU?
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    Well as the mother of 5 my experience couldn't have been more different than the authors!

    All transitions & big moments in our life no matter how wanted bring stress & anxiety. It's about recognising that from my perspective. It's about setting yourself up for support & success not failure. Things sometimes don't go how we expect. In fact they often don't go how we expect. However planning for success & putting energy into the positivity of that is necessary if we want a positive outcome. If we lament and worry about all that "could" go wrong then we are setting ourselves up for a less favourable outcome. Educate yourself about all angles but choose the angle that feels positive and focus on how to acheive that.

    I personally (& I accept not all hold my belief) believe that one of the biggest obstacles to siblings being open & accepting of a new baby is taking the older children out of the birthing equation. Birth I believe is important for children to be a part of. Children fear only that which they are shielded from. It's like the monster under the bed - you can tell them it's not there or to go to sleep and not be so silly... But when they climb out of bed holding your hand and lie on the floor with you under the bed they get that it is scary to take that step but not as scary as the unknown. When we shield our children from the inevitable (for many) physical pain of birth, assuming they will be terrified we neglect to educate our babies on stepping up to fear, pain and coping, dealing and riding it.

    When kids are involved they are statistically more welcoming of their new brother/sister & are less likely to suffer jealousy & anger at the new child.

    I think it's unnatural for mama to disappear into the night and then they are brought up the next day to a neatly wrapped baby that is introduced as their sister/brother!

    We all know the bonding difficulties that "some" women feel when they have a surgical birth or a medical birth or the baby is taken away without a cuddle and a meet and greet... It's the same for siblings.(in my opinion)

    As for coping with another child. It's a juggle but one that we find our groove with. Lots of village support for plays with the older child, meals in the freezer, maybe someone to help with the washing and the cleaning for a few months... This sets us up for an easier transition.

    It's near impossible to Mother well alone. We all need our fuel. For some it's someone to do the housework. For some it's someoen to hold the baby so you can cook a yummy meal as you long to be back in front of your cooker. For some it's someone to walk the baby so youcan sleep for just an hour or two. For some it's facilitating Mama to go to the cinema or out for coffee. These things give us our fuel to keep going and going stronger.

    Kindness and acceptance that sometimes we all fall in a heap and go Whoa! We all do. It's okay, it's how we deal with the whoa! We need to treat ourselves with the kindness we treat our babies. Know that we will do less than we hoped sometimes but othe sky won't fall because of it!

    Good luck on your journey my love - this story is one woman's experience. Not all women experience a second birth this way...

    As for the most dangerous thing a woman can do? I beg to differ... I reckon you have more chance of dying in a car crash on your way to Kmart than you do dying in childbirth in this country...

  17. #17

    Oct 2005
    A Nestle Free Zone... What about YOU?
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    My post took a while and others posted in the meantime...

    I just want to say perhaps it might be helpful to look at guilt differently. Human beings thrive in negotiating and sharing and learning how to do that. An only child gets it all - lots of attention and time. It's natural. My oldest is still an attention seeker - always wanting the lime light. However, she has learnt to share and to negotiate because she has 4 siblings. She has learned not to be so selfish & she is stretched to think of others... As are her siblings. To me that is a far greater gift than having me all to herself and not knowing what it means to stretch and grow in a family.

    I understand the guilt but let's balance it up with the gains too!

  18. #18
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    Mar 2007
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    I understand the guilt but let's balance it up with the gains too!
    Good point. I guess at the moment it's hard because I can't imagine the gains, can't imagine how I will love another baby this much too. So I'm left being scared of the guilt! I guess I will find out one day what it's like and I shouldn't worry too much, but it's hard not too! And I feel bad for the second baby because maybe I won't be as happy and excited as I was when having DD bc I will also be worried about it.

    OP-I hope DD will still be BF! That's another thing I worry about as you know. I don't want pregnancy to make her stop BF as it does with lots of babies coz then it feels like I'm already putting the new baby ahead of her iykwim. But she is booby crazy! So if anyone was not going to wean during pg it would be her! lol.

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