Reply With QuoteRhiChiChi, I go to the gym because that's what I enjoy. The best exercise is the exercise you enjoy that is easy to access.
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Anything you want. She's pretty big on not restricting any specific macros or types of food - whatever makes you feel good. Removing guilt about eating junk food is a big thing she supports too. I suffer huge guilt from eating junk food - I hide wrappers and never tell dh just how much I have eaten, like its a big dirty secret. So her philosophy is removing those feelings associated with eating, and to eat things that make you feel good, that you like and to exercise in ways that makes you happy.
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RhiChiChi, I go to the gym because that's what I enjoy. The best exercise is the exercise you enjoy that is easy to access.
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I agree with the understanding behind eating high calorie. Like the "eat fat lose fat" stuff too. We eat very high calorie (I guess- I don't get into counting calories) because we eat high fat.
I don't like Matt Stone since he is very degrading of children with autism and wrote a nonsense blog bashing GAPS which clearly showed how little he actually knows about GAPS (like, that it's low carb). I can't respect someone who is so poorly researched and poorly spoken. BUT I do still agree with eating plenty to boost your health.
I hope you enjoy it and I'm sure you'll do great
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I think the key is making time to excercise.
I make time to make the bed, make the dinner, make the lunches, hell, I even make time to have a glass of wine
But exercise somehow always comes in last on my to do list.
Happy to do it, if I have the time.
For me, a big part of making this all work will be organising my day, in a diary style format and not taking on anymore than I can fit into a day.
That's where I always fall down (well that, and full strength beer, on a sunny QLD afternoon).
Gotta get back on the vodka and soda water
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Dude - drink the freakin' beer. If thats what you enjoy, drink it. That's her point. Just probably not a dozen beers every day LOL!!!
God I wish I could have a beer. I have a beer in my fridge that is nearly at its use by date (who knew beer had a use by date?!) and I can't drink it. Its my favourite beer too. *sigh*
Did you work out your TDEE? And I think having an exercise plan is definitely a good idea, make it important enough to you to have to plan for it. I can't wait until my pelvis lets me go for HIIT again and just walking 3km without paying for it the next day!! So I'll only be doing exercise that I enjoy doing - which is HIIT, walking and lifting weight.
Meow - I haven't read all his stuff, I've read more of Amber's stuff than his, I've probably read about 10-15 of his blog posts, mostly about stopping dieting stuff.
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Thnak. So it's eat what you want, counting cals to just under your TDEE? A higher calorie Cal in Cal out thing??
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Go Kaleo is more about sustainable healthy choices than calories. She mentions her calories on occasion but only to highlight that a diet can be relatively high calorie but if your lifestyle is healthy it's not an issue.
I don't read all of her stuff but I would argue that Go Kaleo is more about exercise and self-acceptance than diet. It is a rejection of dieting and disordered eating.
This blog post has shown up on a few FB pages I follow over the last day or so
http://www.chicken-tender.org/2013/0....html?spref=fb
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She's more into breaking the whole "diet" concept and if you want a cookie, eat a damn cookie. If you have issues with bingeing on cookies and can't stop at one or two, then she says its usually because of restricting yourself for so long, and you need to sort of be reprogrammed to think that all food is acceptable and there is nothing off limits so to speak - so when you take the restriction away, you don't need to binge on anything because you can have it at any time that you like. She does mention calorie counting, but more in the essence that you are getting enough to support your energy levels. She also says that most people when they start ETF they do go on little binges and that its ok, because pretty soon you realise that junk food makes you feel pretty crappy and you start to crave healthy food instead.
Which I know from my own experience if I have a few weeks of eating junk food and nothing else that I start dreaming of eating salads and craving them instead. I do have serious issues with food though, and I'm the type of person who buys a packet of lollies and has to eat all the lollies once they are opened because I feel so guilty because I shouldn't be having them that I eat them all to get them out of the house as soon as possible. Which is disordered eating.
I don't have a healthy relationship with food at all, and I'm looking to fix that. I know from being pregnant now and letting up on all restrictions, I do have lollies left in the cupboard at the moment and I don't feel the need to eat them. The other day I went to a family dinner and I knew all the lunch options would be fatty stuff like meatloaf and curries and I didn't want any of it - so I made a huge salad at the lunch and I ate that instead.
So I think it might work for me?
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Ok, so I've read her parts 1-3, which you pretty much summed up Zazou & Arimeh.
I haven't been constantly on very low calorie or restictive food diets for long periods of time - I go through periods when I really want to shift fat/change my body shape so subscribe to say MB12WBT, have great results and then go back to a little 'unrestricted' eating with the occassional binge. (having said that very rarely did I follow 1200 cals as I was far too hungry and would just need to eat more food, so perhaps I was trying to listen to my body??) I usually gain a little back but not a heck of alot so I wouldn't say I have an ED that needs medical attention, I just need to get my head around the eating for fuel/nourishment and exercising for the same plus enjoyment without guilt thrown in for good measure. *I know* what foods I should to eat to support my health goals (ie: lean protein, veg, fruit etc...) but eating under my TDEE /over my BMR plus exercising with weights (LTW) and I guess relinquising complete control over food (ETF) is going to be difficult. I totally get the ETF/LTW concept and tend to agree with it but being conditioned by society/family/myself for so long it going to be tough to break that and the possible weight gain / edema (as previously stated) scares me!
I am also going to chat to a family friend who works as a PT at a local gym and chat to her about a weight program/ HIIT as well as ETF. I trust her completely.
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Don't worry RCC - I find it hard to get my head around it as well - its hard to believe that you can actually eat that much food and still lose weight. Doesn't help that biggest loser and other well known dieting groups all subscribe to the 1200 calories to lose weight - and we all know it works, of course it does. Its just not good for you thats all lol
I've been dieting since first going to weight watchers as a 14 year old, so to break those 22 years of that thought process - its difficult.
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I like their philosophy of not-dieting. It's how I try to view what I am doing. For me, personally, I'm not so confident about eating what you like if you feel like it. That's pretty much how I got into this mess
I'm not a binger at all, but for years and years I was very anti diet and did not care about my weight (taking a stand against the weightloss industry and the notion that slim=beautiful, spurned on by a partner that preferred voluptuousness). Then, as I aged, weight went beyond a cosmetic issue (health issues started) and by eating what I wanted, I became morbidly obese.
I truly believe that some people cannot tolerate anything beyond a very low level of carbs. Anyone with IR, PCOS, endo, diabetes, other inflammatory issues, etc.
That said, I think you need to eat to lose weight. Starving yourself does not work at all!!!
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Yeah, "eat the damn cookie" would NOT work for me. I eat 10 without blinking. For me the problem was mainly due to candida and sugar addiction. It was refreshing to realise it was the gut flora sending up nasty "feed us!!" messages and NOT my lack of willpower. Changing to a whole foods diet, high in satiating nutrient dense foods and being 100% off refined sugar helped me. I had to physically starve out the nasty bugs in my gut before I could take control. So, while I agree with not eating a calorie restricted diet I don't think I would win and have improved my health as much if I allowed myself total food freedom because that wasn't a healthy place for me. Now I do eat foods that I normally wouldn't so I guess I do have "eat the damn hot chocolate with a caramel truffle!" moments (like this Saturday) and I don't even bat an eyelid. I have no food guilt. But I only do that when I'm out of the house alone or on a date with my H... which averages about once a month.
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That is an awesome post. Her explanation of moderation really resonated with me.
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When I say you can eat whatever you like, I don't mean its a free for all and you just eat and eat and eat. She does have calorie restrictions, and says if you want to lose weight you eat under your TDEE. Which is totally different in the sense of eating 1200 calories. If you want to maintain, eat your TDEE. If you want to gain weight, eat over it. I know that when I was eating whatever before, I would have been eating over my TDEE without a problem. I probably ate it in chocolate alone lolI like their philosophy of not-dieting. It's how I try to view what I am doing. For me, personally, I'm not so confident about eating what you like if you feel like it. That's pretty much how I got into this mess
And I don't think I'm one of those people that can do low carb, I get too fainty when I do it and my body wants to black out on me. Even though I have an inflammatory issue (IBS), its not helped by going low carb when even standing up nearly makes me pass out LOL
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She does touch on people with health issues ie: food intolerances and the likes too. I know I can't eat too many carbs in the form of grains as I get too hungry and light headed but then can't forego them either as I end up unable to concentrate and become cranky. There are people on the forums that have learnt (?) What they can and can't tolerate in macro terms after ETF - all through listening to their bodies and that is ultimately what I want to be able to achieve which in turn I know will, give me the best body and health I have ever been in.I like their philosophy of not-dieting. It's how I try to view what I am doing. For me, personally, I'm not so confident about eating what you like if you feel like it. That's pretty much how I got into this mess
I'm not a binger at all, but for years and years I was very anti diet and did not care about my weight (taking a stand against the weightloss industry and the notion that slim=beautiful, spurned on by a partner that preferred voluptuousness). Then, as I aged, weight went beyond a cosmetic issue (health issues started) and by eating what I wanted, I became morbidly obese.
I truly believe that some people cannot tolerate anything beyond a very low level of carbs. Anyone with IR, PCOS, endo, diabetes, other inflammatory issues, etc.
That said, I think you need to eat to lose weight. Starving yourself does not work at all!!!
I know its not a free for all but for a lot of people just starting out whom have dieted/calorie restricted /omitted food groups/certain foods or just gone absolutely crazy with binge eating constantly that they do go nuts and just eat everything but that is part of the journey and is more about the emotions associated with those eating practices and recognizing that eating for example carbs is not going to be the end of the world. From what I have read eventually once your body has healed that it will start to want/crave whole foods and that is when it all comes together. However this can take significant time depending how terrible the past Eating habits have been.
I totally get what you are saying but like Arimeh said, you do have to stay under you TDEE but over your BMR. You have to find that balance through trial and error which works for you and you only.
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This seemed relevant to this thread!
'I'm sorry I put you on a 1,200 calorie diet': Former Jenny Craig consultant publicly apologizes for 'wronging' her clients with 'unhealthy' advice
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I read that!!!!!! Impressive that she would come out like that - you would think she would be sued for speaking out against the company...
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I am terrible at restricting anything. I always have been and that's why I have failed at every diet I have tried. I have always believed that dieting isn't the way to lose weight, because if you lose weight eating a 1200 cal diet, then you would just gain the weight back when you went back to eating a normal diet, which I always did.
Although I have body issues my whole life, I have only been truly over weight since having children. For myself, I think I have gained weight due to stress, sleepless nights, and changes in hormones. As well as not exercising like I did pre-kids. I am mostly ok with my diet. These days I could eat a little less crap, but really, I am pretty healthy most of the time, and think aside from those few small changes, my diet is fine. It's the exercise that I need to change. I need to build my muscle up again, and get more active.
Since starting to ETF without the mental 'You shouldn't eat that', 'You should have more....', I am now eating without issues. I did binge for a month or so. I ate chocolate and cakes every day for a month or so. I did gain some weight. I am already over weight to begin with, so it wasn't pretty. But I am continuing to stay the course. I have lost a little of what I gained. I walk 2-3 days a week, which is the only purposeful exercise I do. I want to start lifting weights, and to do more walking/running. I just need to find my mojo. And maybe get some bigger/better weights!
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