Thanks Missymoo. I feel really angry for me, as I have let it go this way. Steph picks up after herself sometimes automatically, but I know that will very quickly change to never as she grows up and sees that "hey, Dad and big brother don't have too...".

Thinking about it now, I doubt that I will ever be able to get anything to change with them. I will just have to tidy the best I can with them around, and kick them out. I threatened to leave a little while ago, and the Man said that I had to leave the kids as this is where they live, and they don't need to keep changing address and this is their home. Well, in that case, don't let the gate hit you in the a**e on the way out!