My question is unusual and I would ask only people respond to it who agree with my proposition because they have experienced similar treatment I?m about to describe. I think it is pointless to be responded to from people who have been happy with what they?ve received from their IVF providers.
why ask for posts from people who ONLY agree with your stand? are you seekin intelligent debate and experience? or simply validation for your anger at the situation in which you find yourself?




i wont say you are wrong in being angry - no doubt you are very frustrated - but to try simplifying and comparing the human body to the motor of a car is just ridiculous. and insulting to EVERY medical professional/scientist (no matter their field) - i'm sure they appreciate having their years of study and research and experience compared to an apprenticeship! have you ever engaged in even the most basic studies of human anatomy and physiology? it's not a simple case of looking at the human body and one size fits all. lets face it, the reproductive functions of the human body are nothing like the functions of a V6!

to answer your questions:

At any time, during any of your procedures, did your doctor state the anything like the following in plain, unequivocal English?

? ?You are here because you can not have a child. YES

? There IS a reason/s why this not happening. Not ?Luck of the draw? or ?Some women have difficulties? but an absolute, tangible, biological reason you can not have a baby. YES

? Therefore, as your doctor, my promise to you is that I will find out what this reason/s is, tell you what the treatments are and then we will together, follow the steps that I believe are best suited to correcting this problem in your particular case. YES

? And when I find the reason and I will, and if it is not able to be corrected, I will tell you that too. YES

For readers of this post, whether you gave birth after your first treatment or are still at it on your tenth, ask yourself: Has your doctor ever told you anything even vaguely resembling this? YES YES YES

Or have they instead been completely incurious regarding the crucial starting point of infertility, which is ?Why?? NO - both myself and my husband had testing following initial appt. treatment wasnt discussed until second appt when those test results were available. this was on top of having test results from both gp and gyne before even getting to FS

Why can?t you have a child? we were told what was preventing me getting pregnant, causing miscarriages when i did get pregnant, and we worked together to find the combination of treatments that got us a baby

If someone can?t even identify the problem, then if you have a baby after repeated procedures, it is attributable to one thing only. unexplained infertlity is CRAP - there is no other way to put it. it's hard on everyone involved. you simply cant pinpoint the reason - is it metabolic? is it immune? are the embryo's simply not strong enough?

And that?s luck. conception has never been an exact science and it wont be in our lifetime (or many beyond ours). too many aspects have to align perfectly and some of that is simply beyond our control - you can have a perfect quality embryo, a healthy looking lining - and, for reasons beyond scientific explanation, it wont take, while a weak looking embryo will. go figure. so yes, luck plays a huge part




To conclude, what I would like to read are comments from those who have suffered similarly to us, the key reason I believe begins with the fundamental point that their doctor never asked which is: ?Why? Why can?t you have a baby??
if, as you state, this is a business (and really, what in todays society isn't?), have you, as the consumer, asked these questions yourself. have you investigated beyond the infotmation you were given by your cklinic, there are aspects which MAY contribute to infertility that are not routinrly tested for due to expense and the fact they are unlikely but poosible (NK testing etc) - they are only performed by a few doctors within Au


I?d like to read others views that have experienced this callous and unprofessional treatment and also if it?s permitted by the forum?s administrators, I?d like to be Private Messaged to meet others in Melbourne who have suffered from this behaviour, to hear their perspectives.
there are much more constructive reasons for catching up with other couples with fertility issues... support, understanding - why go out of your way to try and inflame people against the system so many of us need? but hey, whatever floats your boat

And if anyone thinks I?m ?crazy?, consider this, if the population of United States is 15 times larger that Australia which it is, how is it that Australia has 10 times, I repeat, 10 times, the number of IVF procedures carried out each year?

And please, don?t tell me that it?s just the price difference.
ditto BW's statement - look at octomum - she put back all her embryos. to the potential harm of herself and her baby's. why? cos she couldnt afford additional treatment or storage fees. ivf in the statesis BIG business, isnt subsidised and costs a fortune. you either have a high income or you mortgage everything t afford treatment. adoption or surrogacy are cheaper options


FWIW - i underwent treatment through one of the melbourne clinics. i was stimmed 8 times. i lost 5 babies. i forked over a crap load of money. i knew i was dealing with a business and i treated it as such. i was the consumer and i asked every question that came to mind and then some. i wasnt always happy with my treatment - how can you be when things dont work? - but i never felt i was in any way "just another source of income" for them