Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - Feb 2008 #2

[Acacia]

Vicki - I wouldn't take any oral thrush treatment at this stage, but try Cranberry Juice. It's meant to be excellent for thrush treatment - a glass every morning. I was advised this by the chemist at my clinic. Congratulations on getting through that ET, hun. Wonderful news to see you back here again and in the next cycle. I wish you a very quick TWW and a wonderful result at the end of it.

Saph - I think the herbal supplement you're referring to is called Rescue Remedy. It comes in a liquid drop form that goes under your tongue or a cream which you can rub into the skin on your hand. It's a Bach Flower treatment (similar to Homeopathy) and is available at chemists. It's designed to have a quick effect when you're really stressed - each time you're having a episode of stress you use some, and it helps to calm you in a few minutes. I've used it before and it's helpful when you're feeling really worked up. Hope this helps. Hang in there!

Bel - I'm sorry to hear your news, Bel. I've been through the same thing a couple of weeks ago. I had a BFP on a number of POAS over a number of days and then started bleeding within a couple of days (heavy and very painful) and had to go through a series of BT to wait for my beta levels to drop back to 0. I am still trying to recover from the loss, and the feeling of being so close. I hope your levels drop quickly, hun. It helps in moving forward. I'm here if you need and you want to chat more. My thoughts are with you. Many hugs :hugs:

dellydoo Sorry to hear of your BFN hun. Very happy to hear that you're thinking forward and ready for the next cycle. Your positive vibes are brilliant and I'll take your lead!

TL - Brilliant!! So glad to hear you finally have your dates for lap and cycle. I've been hanging out to hear some good news for you!! Good luck, hun

Kell gotta love the quick LP! Go you! Next cycle, here she comes!! Goo Luck hun, thinking of you lots!!

Congratulations Deni! Wonderful news!! I wish you a very healthy and happy pregnancy!


Scan today shows my lining is all good, and ovaries have settled very well from last stim cycle. I've been given the go ahead for ET on Monday, the day after my birthday, so a lovely, lovely birthday present I'm feeling more scared this time after last cycle, but I think that's just a protection thing and I'm sure I'll be able to get over it. Appointment with FS today was good - she helped us decide between transfering one or two embryos (we went with one this cycle) and she is very optimistic since we had the biochemical pregnancy last cycle - believes that we just have to wait for the right embryo now, which is encouraging, despite being scared of a repeat of the same scenario as last cycle. All good for now - will update after ET - hoping that the good grade embryos we have will mean we won't need to thaw more than one little guy, so we'll see

Hi to everyone whom I haven't written personals to here - I hope that you are all doing ok. Hugs to you all.

Take care,

Miss C

[plc1805]

Hi ladies,

dellydoo - sorry sweet about AF - just was not ur cycle - be strong hun, plenty more babydust for u this cycle (hugs)!
scooby - I'm ok hun. Just waitin for my temps to calm down before I consider myself back to my cycle, then a swift AF, then BDing all the way to my BFP!! (one can hope after all ) hun!!! I really don't know how to advise u re ur follies - wishin u clarity of mind to make the best choice for u!!
Peta - u and me both with not being able to stay still. Good on ya sweet!
shel - hello and all the best, sweet!
vicki - wishing u all the best for a very sticky sticky bub!! I did use canesten in my pg but I was about half way in pg - I personally wouldn't use it this early - yoghurt sounds good both topically and ingested.
Sp - all good here - hope the same for you!
Hi Miss C, TL, saph, janieand the rest of the lovely crew!

bel - honey - no amount of words can truly fix the pain just feel the hurt and grieve so that you have only guts and courage left to use so that u can go forward and make ur dream a reality. Thankfully u can go straight back into it. Take care of ur bod and ur heart

now just for something to share - I was telling the girls on another thread how I had a fantastic session at the acupuncturist yesterday. He said I'd gone backwards a bit cos of the lap and just needed to unblock some energy paths caused from scarring. This time he did something a little bit different. As well as the needles for other spots, he used a "moxa" I think it's called which just looks like a huge joint (LOL!). He held the lit end about 2 cms away from my skin at the point where he would have the needle and I had to tell him when it got too hot for me to stand. This is to generate heat through the meridians and my body. Well! It certainly did generate heat and so much energy and I think it was largely due to the smell of the moxa which smelt A GREAT DEAL like a joint (LOL!!!!). I guess I was high! Hope he does it again next week!!
So now I smell a BFP brewing (my nostrils are very clear now after the moxa )!!

[tiggerlinda]

Bel that sucks sweet
PCL - The Moxa is great isn't it
Scooby - I am open to a multiple so I would go ahead with the belief that the universe will only give me what I can handle

Thanks for the good wishes with the launch all went well expect my boss finally got to me and I cried I am so angry with myself over that!

Anyway day 2 tommorow and she is not here

Also I had more people turn up than her fav's in the office. So back to another day tommorrow and then I can concentrate on TCC for me and DH.

Also I am moping because DH has gone away for 4 nights and I am all alone and I hate that big sook really

[Pookiegirlba]

Oh Bel, I'm so sorry about your news, that's just awful :hugs: hang in there friend - I hope your pain lessens with time.

Dellydoo: so sorry about your news mate - bloody AF it just doesn't seem fair.

Scooby: that's a tough decision. Personally, I would go ahead with it. I agree with Tigger - you will handle whatever comes. Good luck with your decision - don't forget to let us know what you decide.

Miss C: great news about your pick-up - how exciting!

plc: keeping my fingers crossed that your acupuncturist has helped deliver you a BFP!

Tiggerlinda: yay! let's hope she stays away!

Thanks to everyone who offered advice about about my thrush problem (sorry if it's TMI!). I rang my clinic and they said I should check with the pharmacist about which thrush treatment to have, but it would be OK to take it. The pharmacist gave me the Canesten cream and said it would be OK. But I really don't want to take anything chemical that could risk me losing the embryo. Especially seeing as I am still having pessaries twice a day.

I think I will take the advice to use a bit of natural yoghurt topically and drink some cranberry juice first thing in the morning. If I get really desperate I'll consider using Canesten, but it will be a last resort.

So, I have another question now: can I use the yoghurt after putting the pessary in??? Will the yoghurt affect the way the progesterone works??? Any help would be appreciated.

Hope everyone is doing well today.

Vicki
x

[Acacia]

Hey Vicki

I think the pamphlet for the Progesterone Pessaries advises that it's not a good idea to be using the pessaries whilst using any other vaginal treatment. I would suppose this would include yoghurt! Perhaps the topical canestan-type cream would be ok, but I wouldn't use anything else internally whilst on the pessaries. Go for the cranberry juice, I say! Heard a story at the chemist that a woman working there who had been suffering from chronic thrush for many years starting on a glass of cranberry juice every day and hasn't had a bout of it since, for years now

Miss C

ETA: anyone know if it's normal to be on 4 pessaries a day? FS prescribed for me two in morning, two at night. The cost is one thing, but I'm more worried about the side effects if this is a lot to be taking. Not sure. Any info would be good!

[saph204]

Hi to everyone,

Vicki - think you need to disscuss this with the chemist. Tell him everything and then he will be able to make an informed decission if he doesn't know he will find out.

Tigger -glad the launch went well.

Miss_c - thanks for the name. found it yesterday but now i know what is causing the moods i am going to try and control them myself. so far so good.

Well just thought i would wish everyone a great weekend (a long one for WA). Going away to relax with DH and DS and leave the treatment behind for a few days. Back into it with scan and bt on tues. Will let you know how it all goes.

[Bel]

Hi All,

Hope your day is going well. I'm waiting for more BT results to see where my HCG levels are at today. I just want to be able to start a new cycle and move forward from the sadness.

Miss C- I too was using 4 pessaries a day, so I don't think it's abnormal. Don't really know about side effects though. I was pg so couldn't really tell what were side effects from drugs of from being pg. Sorry I can't help much.

Have a good day

Hugs Bel

[plc1805]

dellydoo - hope the acupuncturist gives u moxa seriously tho, I hope he gives u the best treatment to get ur bod in the right possible condition for ur bub2b.
bel -
saph - aww! have a wonderful weekend with ur 2 guys!!
pookie (vicki) - GL hun with thrush!
hello and hugs to everyone else!!

[kyles68]

Hi Ladies

I just wanted to drop in for a bit of advice and support. I have only posted a couple of times but look at forums every couple of days so feel as if I know you all.

I had my first EPU today on my first IVF cycle, having previously done only IUI. Anyway, the ultrasound on Wednesday showed 3 large follicles so I knew that would be the highest number of eggs collected but I did not expect to be in recovery and be told they only collected one egg.

I am trying to be very positive but I know the stats especially doing ICSI - hard enough to get good embryos from several eggs without it only being one. I just hope the embryologists are working really hard this avo to do everything they can to get a fertilised embryo from my one poor little sad egg.

Bel - I just wanted to say that I feel your pain - I have had two biochemical pregnancies and know the feeling when you just want levels to go back down so that you can start on a new cycle.

Kylie

[MsPink]

Hi Ladies...

OMG you talk a lot...am struggling to catch up so please give me a little time.

Delly - I am sooooooooo sorry about the BFN...man...I thought one of us could do it..

Scooby - go for it...the more the merrier... no seriously...I think it's worth a 'shot' so to speak..??

Kyles - I am sure that one egg is disappointing. Imagine some poor ladies end up with none. Sometimes the follies are actually empty - sadly its happened to me a few times that I think I am going to end up with more then I do due to follie count. I soooo hope the little one fertilises for you...you have more chance with ICSI so fingers crossed..

Please give me time ladies to catch up a little...

[kyles68]

Hi Lulu

Thanks so much for your reply. That is true that some ladies end up with no eggs at all so I am so grateful for my one at least. I have everything crossed for a positive phone call tomorrow to say that it has fertilised.

[Shel]

Thanks for your best wishes, have my everything crossed now.
Vicki, that would have been exciting seeing the transfer, I hope you are feeling well and sending lots of sticky vibes your way, I hope it is the BFP for you.
Salt: have my fingers cross for you for a BFP on 10th too, hope the wait goes quickly.
TL: yes, it looks like we could be buddies, that would be great
Dellydoo: sorry to hear, what a bugger, hopefully the next time is the one, good to get straight back into it
Scooby: thanks, I hope the one follicle I have is 'the' one! That is a hard one for you with the 5 follicles, I would probably go on the advice of my FS as I don't have much experience but for what it's worth if there was not much chance of the 15mm follicles ovulating I would probably go for the IUI though I am getting to the point of welcoming multiple birth if that's what it takes! I'm sure you will make the right decision for you, good luck with your appointment.
As for me all went well with the IUI from what I can tell, it was a bit weird the first time as I didn't know what to expect and was pretty well in and out of there in 15mins. The FS said morphology of sperm was a bit low, not sure how that effects things, need to understand how the IUI things works a bit more that I do at the moment. Had a bit of cramping afterwards, hope that is normal. Now the TWW, I have a BT on 6/3 to check that I ovulated and the 13th is the day.
Bel: That is awful news for you, I hope you are being kind to yourself and it?s good to hear you are going straight back into it, take care.
plc: thanks and all the best to you and hope your temps calm soon, I think I could do with some of that moxa stuff, sounds good
All the best to everyone one here, wishing you all a BFP soon.
Have a lovely weekend ladies.
Shel

[MeredithD]

Shel - glad IUI went smoothly and crossing everything that your TWW is quick and painless

Vicki - Stick little embie stick. Hoping the thrush goes soon too!

DD - sorry again (have followed progress in TWW forum)

Scooby - its a tough choice but I would prob go ahead and take my chances. I have had cancelled cycle and that was just awful after all the injections,scans etc.

Bel - I am so, so sorry darl. I can truly say I know how you must feel having been through 2 m/c's. you will probably never "get over it" but things do get a lot easier with time. I am with you on getting straight into another cycle. I was just desperate to be pg again and take away some of the pain. Hoping your HCG drops quickly (about the only time I would ever wish that on anyone)

Tiger - Home alone on the w/e ? get some friends around or go out for a girls night I say!

Miss C - best of luck for ET on Mon. Hoping the next embie is a sticker

PLC - good old moxa. Glad you enjoyed it. I hate the stuff. used it heaps with DS to try and turn him from breech (didn't work) - stinks so bad and I think my house smelt like a hippy commune!!!

Kylie - follow some of Deni's posts. She only got one egg from EPU, had ICSI and is now preg. it truly does take only one! Praying it fertilizes well and you get a great embie!

Me - i am up and down atm. One minute feel a bit sick (which I take as good sign) and then get bad cramping which makes me realise AF could be lurking around the cormer. 11dpo today and desperate to POAS soon. Not sure how much longer i will hold out. haven't actually got BT booked but would be due Mon so would really like to be prepared before then.

[~BecD~]

Hi ladies, just got back from my work trip, it has been so hot here the last couple of days! Lucky me had to stay in 43degree heat in a place with no air con or even fans! EEK!

My Day 21 BT on Monday shows that I have ovulated but they are not sure when I did, so still waiting for AF to arrive to work out when EPU for our IVM cycle next month. Am praying AF arrives soon so it doesn't clash with Easter.

Sorry no personals, still trying to catch up with everyone!

[*las*]

Hi ladies,
Hoping to join you here, wasn't a member of BB when I did my last full stim and had little support at the time (didn't know many people doing IVF).

I just started the pill yesterday, doing my 3rd IVF/ICSI full stim, first cycle was cancelled due to poor response, 2nd cycle gave me 6 embryo's, 4 failed, 2 miscarried so hoping for 3rd time lucky Bit nervous as my last full stim was nearly 3 years ago!

Good luck to everyone!

[tiggerlinda]

Las welcome and GL with this cycle

Hi to everyone

[RH76]

Hi all,

Sorry not to catch up on the personals and also that I've been missing in action since Jan.

DH and I have just had a huge row, to the point where I think we might call it quits. I've recently got a promotion at work and am really enjoying it, it's great for my career and after TTC for over 3 years, I am over it and now really want to concentrate on my career. That's not to say that I don't want a family, I desperately do, but I also am not one of those people who wants to be a mum full stop. I don't really care how I am judged for that, I know how I feel and what is good for my soul. So, having a family for me does not mean giving up my career. I want to wait until June until we try ivf, yet again, as if it does work, i don't want to tell my boss that I am pg and not be taken seriously, then put an end to my career. I'd rather have a few months under me in this position before I go through the stress of ivf again too.

DH has suggested adopting, which I was not happy about, but after a lot of thinking and soul searching I think it would be a good thing to do. I know I have the capacity to love a child, biologically mine or not. DH wants to adopt and to have 'our own' child IYKWIM. But I think we should face up to the fact that maybe we'll never be able to get pg and adoption could be the only way we'll have a family.

DH just does not believe that I'll do ivf again in June and is doubting me. I feel so angry with him for this, as I will try again in June. Also I don't feel that he understands what I am feeling about my career. He makes promises which financially I know we can't possibly sustain.

I love him so much and don't want my marriage to end, but this issue is driving a huge wedge between us. Maybe I'm being selfish, as he's older than me and feels time is not on his side. But I can't help how old he is. That's just something he'll have to deal with.

I'm so sorry to ramble, and to jump in in the middle of a thread, but I don't know where else to turn.

Any advice please?????