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    We check progesterone on Saturday. We'll have an idea then.



    Good luck tomorrow - here's hoping for 2-3 nice fat follicles.

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    good luck for your progesterone test on sat - i hope you get some great results.

    I went for bloods and ultrasound to see how the follicles are growing. They are coming along, but a couple more days now. The nurse suggested after this cycle, if it fails, to go straight to an IVF cycle. That way i would have a better chance, hopefully only have to do it once, and will reap the most benefits out of the safety net. I am a bit thrown back but this - mentally I did not want to consider the IVF channel until the new year.

    How do you sit with this OP? How many iuis are you planning before you consider ivf?

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    Hi There,

    We have a total of 11 donor IUI attempts available to us. We understand it take 4-6 attempts to get pregnant via this method and we're only on our fourther try, so we're not too worried yet.

    We have already done IVF ICSI. It was heart breaking. We had four blastocycsts, two of which did not survive the thawing process. The two we did have transferred also died. It is awful to look at an embryo on a screen (they show it to you before they draw it up the catheter), see that it's alive and even hatching, have it transferred to your body, only to find, eight days later, it is dead. The emotional impact of that is severe.

    If IUI doesn't work out for us, we'll go back to IVF. I think we are better equipped now. But the process, including the finanical management really brought us to our knees. We nearly lost our marriage over it. And when you consider the success rate for IVF is 3/10, it's a pretty poor success rate. The only way around it is by increasing the numbers. With each round costing $8,000, you have to take your hat off to people who give it multiple goes.

    You have to make your own choices, but I would suggest having at least four IUIs is giving the process a fair chance to work.

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    Op,

    That sounds awful - like it really put you through the ringer. This is exactly what I am scared of - going through the whole process, which admittedly sounds harder to handle that iui, and then having to deal with a bfn at the end. The bfn at the end of iui was crushing enough - I have barely pulled myself up from that one. But you know what they say, nothing ventured nothing gained. We have to do what we have to do hey....

    Are you feeling any symptons? Good luck for your prog tomorrow. I am still on daily fsh, daily bloods and ultrasounds. They think it will be sunday or monday for the procedure. Thanks goodness, the fsh shots are making me very loopy and dopey!!!

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    Progesterone 56. We're in the game.

    How'd your scan go, Diamond Girl?

    What does BFN mean?

    :-)
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    thats great Op .... you are one step closer now.

    Scan went ok - Im coming along but slowly. It feels like I have had these daily blood tests forever now!!

    Just as i was typing this, the clinic called and advised my insemination is tomorrow. Just had the trigger shot (ouch!!!). Thank goodness, i am so over these hormorne shots and the daily running to the clinic.

    So when is your blood test OP? Oh a BFN = Big Fat Negative, as opposed to the Big fat positive we are working towards.

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    When is my blood test!!?? Diamondgirl, you of all people should get the humour in that! For girls like us, when do the blood tests stop is a better question.

    Oddly, I thought BFN meant big fat no, so I wasn't far off!!

    We shall see what happens at the clinic tomorrow. I suspect they will want to monitor. We have a Pregnyl shot every second day this week, so no doubt they'll collapse my veins again taking bloods at the same time. We've been here once before and didn't get across the line. So we're just focusing on keeping the feeling daily.

    How are your veins holding up? Daily bloods have got to suck. Luckily for me I ovulate so reliably they don't make me do that.

    Re the injections - try to tune out to the sensation. Remember - if you think this is bad, child birth will be worse! :-)

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    Diamond girl!

    Forgot to say good luck, good luck, good luck! For your treatment today.

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    PS - apparently having a full bladder helps. :-)

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    he he - im a bimbo!! I didnt mean blood test, I meant preganancy test. God knows I am so over the blood tests. yes they have stopped now, after like 9 days straight. I had the insemination yesterday, all went well this time. Thanks for thinking of me. It was over really quickly - had a small amount of blood afterwards though (not sure what this means). Count down now on for the progesterone test, and then of course the pregnancy test...
    I tell myself the same thing, when going through pain, that childbirth will be a whole lot worse.

    So you are on the pregnal every 2nd day? Me, every 3rd. Which clinic are you through again - is it SIVF? I am with IVFA, and am wondering the differences as SIVF is more expensive. How are you holding up with the drugs? Do they knock you around a bit? My veins are breathing a sigh of relief right now and thankfully on the mend - I was starting to look like a junkie and getting embarrassed everytime my arms were exposed.
    How did it go at the clinic yesterday?

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    Hi Diamond!

    Congrats on another IUI. Interesting that you're at an IVF clinic - of course they're going to push you to IVF quickly. It's a commercial decision for them. We were with IVFA last year - we felt we only had to sneeze and they had their hand out. :-(

    Don't worry about that little bleed. It just means they scratched the cervix. NO BIGGIE!

    Our clinic vist did not include bloods yesterday - although I think they should have done another prog check. I will ask for one tomorrow as I think this is a no go and if that's the case I want to stop the Pregnyl ASAP so as to end the cycle as close to 28 days as poss. I find the more Pregnyl, the later the period, even if the PG test is negative.

    Our clinic is the Fertility Dept at RHW. We are treated by midwives and they are so brilliant. We feel really lucky to be working with them.

    For the next few days try to visualise cells dividing. Otherwise put it out of your mind until Friday!

    :-)
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    PS - Totally understand the embarssment of punctured arms. I've got the same problem. People I work with don't know what I'm doing, and I don't want them asking. So far so good.

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    Thanks OP for your thoughts. I didnt consider that the ivf option for the clinic is a better move for them - it helps to have another point of view. Hubby and I spoke again about it last night and he is not very keen, prefers to stay with the iui for a bit longer. But hopefully we wont need to make that choice.

    You sound like you are not feeling very positive at this point - try to stay positive ok and remember its not over till its over. Remember that preg symptons can be really hard to detect, especially with that awful pregnl. Request to prog test, and hopefully this will ease you mind with a very positive result today. Let me know how you go.

    As for me, not much going on. Just waiting for my first shot which is tomorrow, and then prog test at the end of the week. Waiting waiting waiting....

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    Hi Diamond!

    If you are considering IVF in the future, corrale your finances now. You need $5,500 just to get in the door. And then you need $1,100 for every transfer after that. You do get up to 80% back from Medicare but it takes time. For example, if your treatment started on Oct 1, you pay $3,800 immediately (inc ICSI). You'd then do your surgery - another $1,500, much of which ISN'T refunded by Medicare, then if all goes well, your first transfer is included (although you pay $100 for day surgery which is a total crock if you ask me). IVFA will only give you the final invoice at the END of your cycle (ie approx Oct 28) and then you can go to Medicare. Oh - and surprise blastocyst development will cost a further $600. We had this too.

    If, like us, you couldn't do your transfer straight away, you may end up waiting an additional two weeks, plus the two weeks wait - so it would be 8wks before you got a cent back. By then, if you need another round, you need $1,100 to get in the door. Plus, you'll pay $90 to have the specialist tell you the treatment didn't work, and another $32 if your husband sits in the chair next to you!

    Sheesh! They make a packet. But we know for certain IVFA is less than IVFS. And they are extremely good (albeit lacking in bedside manner).

    Not sure what your costs are for IUI with IVFA. But the above gives you an idea. And of course that monthly $1,100 cost (plus the $122 specialist fee) depends on how many viable embryos you produced. My friends had 5, so they paid an additional $5,500 on top of the original $5,500.

    Sigh!

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    BTW - prog is 46.2 today. It's still in the gestational range, but it should be increasing, not reducing. Scientist says keep going. I kind of wanted to come off the pregnyl. BUT : lots of symptoms - headaches, bad taste in my mouth, sore boobs, low grade cramping, and nausea. So who knows.

    :-D
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    Hi OP,

    keep staying positive, all your symptons are an excellant sign. i know you wanted to get off the drugs, but not long left now.... Your prog level hasnt decreased too much - dont read into it, it could mean nothing at all.. If the scientest says to keep going, then they must still believe you are in with a shot. I am hoping you will get your big fat positive (BFP ) this cycle...

    The ivf cycle sounds like an incredible financial burden. And to ask this of us right before xmas is awful. Hubby is not keen - but I am soooo impatient to be pregnant I am willing to do anything if thats what it takes (Im sure you know how I feel). IUI with ivfa is $1250 (was like $900 but has gone up). Same deal, pay upfront, wait for procedure to be done before I get the invoice to take to medicare with the 80% rebate (still waiting for this cycles invoice). How much is iui with RWH? Oh, and what is this about charging for your hubby to sit beside you? Sounds like a major rip to me???

    So what next for you OP? Another prog test soon?
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    Hi Diamond!

    We seem to be having daily updates this week, don't we? Did you see this article today:

    Freezing Eggs | Fertility | IVF | Essential Baby Conception Australia

    I feel stupified to think that career women are so ignorant as to believe they should put off pregnancy to further their careers. What I have learned is that the older you get, the less you can control your fertility. Women spend most of their lives avoiding pregnancy, and they commonly believe once they decide to embrace it, it will just happen.

    In my case, I never expected male infertility to thwart my intentions. I started looking for my husband when I was 31. I found him when I was just about to turn 37. Now we are 40. We only conceded this year that he is sterile. We lost so much time in the name of preserving his delicate male ego, my eggs are now ragged with age, and we have only a 5% chance of attaining a pregnancy with the help of a donor.

    I do think the media is convinced women CHOOSE to put off starting a family. In my case, I dated over 250 men to find one good one. There simply aren't enough good men to meet the needs of all the good women who want to procreate. Instead of harping on about women putting off motherhood, maybe the media should start a concerted campaign to train men how to be good marriage prospects and good father potential?

    :-)
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    My husband and I were talking about that $32 rip off last night. We had to meet with our specialist at the beginning of each cycle. It's essentially a strategy meeting, but for us there was nothing to strategise about. I ovulate with no difficulty, so all he could say to us was: "The last cycle didn't work. We'll do another cycle." He charged me $90 for this wisdom, and $32 for my husband to sit next to me and listen. We got $62.50 back from Medicare for me and $32 for my husband. But that specialist basically got $32 for letting my husband in the room. And yet by that stage, my husband's contribution was history .

    In any case, another Pregnyl shot for me tomorrow. I'm going to ask for a pregnancy test on Monday when the next Pregnyl shot is due. If there's no pregnancy the period won't come while I'm on Pregnyl, so there has to be a point when they decide to knock it off.

    The thing that makes me believe there is no pregnancy is that progesterone really has to double daily to prove a pregnancy. Same with Hcg. This isn't happening. That being said, I know people who have had negative pregnancy tests right up until their 5th month! So who knows...

    :-)
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    Hi OP,

    Yes we are on daily messages. And to be honest, i am enjoying having someone to share my experience with. For so long now I have felt totally alone with my fears, thoughts and obsessions that this ttc business brings. And i don't feel like I fit in with the other LTTTC thread, as i do not understand the IVf lingo or even procedure yet. It really helps to have someone who is going through the same process. And I have learnt so much from you

    Yes - I too read this article a few days ago. I think it almost unbelievable to think women are put their careers first. Surely a career will always be available right through to our 60's. Unfortunately not the same can be said about our fertility. I really feel for woman such as yourself, who hav always dreamed of being a mum, but life has taken them on a different path. And now the pressure of the ticking clock... A 5% chance is still a positive, that is still a great deal of hope for you.

    I also read this article on a yahoo page:
    Crim checks for IVF couples 'abhorrent' - Yahoo!7 News
    This absolutely infuriated me....
    How are IVF parents more inclined to criminal activity as compared to non IVF parents? I completely agree with Prof Illingwirth's comment - ' this will only stigmatise IVF couples even further'. And check out the comment from srcourtney. This really had me going, my blood boiled for some time. Then i realised this person is obviously a total moron, and further comment will only upset me more. But what a terrible opinion the wider world has on IVF and IVF couples. And i agree this is due to the medias portrayal. i am 27, young in terms of IVF patients, but I am on the program for other issues, not age related. And I am not an exception, there are many others out there on IVF for endo, PCOS, unexplained, and many many other medical conditions where infertility is a part of the problem. i resent the sentiment 'that ivf is for those who have put their career first, and therefore deserve infertility' - how completely ignorant. Phew - better get off my soap box I am getting all revved up.

    Thats incredible to charge for hubby to be there. incredibly insensitive. Im sorry your prog levels havent increased as you planned, but it is far too early days. Try not to talk yourself into a negative - as I have done many times. Hang in there until monday and hopefully you will have you bfp then. I am having my 1st pregnl shot for the month tonight - not looking forward to it. The things we have to do hey...

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    I tell you what, Diamond, I sure would like these whacky symptoms to add up to a BFP. Today the water from the cooler at work tastes like hospital disinfectant! Nobody else shares my opinion. :-D I would love THAT to mean something.

    LTTTC people grasp at anything tho - I try so hard not to, but I can't help it. This month we had our IUI with the third midwife in our clinic. We kept saying to her "Maybe you've got the magic touch!"... We grasp at straws at times.

    I don't really remember your back story. Could you remind me? Ours is simple: TTC 3yrs, male factor infertility, 1 IVF ICSI cycle, 2 failed xfers, and now our fourth IUI.

    A couple of suggestions for you: include B6 and iron supplements in your vitamin regime. They have helped raise my prog levels in the past two months. I get Thompson's B6 from Go Vita, and the iron supplement in a little bottle with an orange cap from Priceline.

    Good luck with your injection tonight! Tell them to plunge it slowly.

    :-)
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