I think it's fair too. If she was in the workforce and did something like that she'd be fired. it's a good lesson you're teaching her Fiona.
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I think it's fair too. If she was in the workforce and did something like that she'd be fired. it's a good lesson you're teaching her Fiona.
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The thing is, I haven't told DSD that she's banned from looking after other people's kids so there's no real lesson learnt there. I should but there's just been too much going on and there didn't seem any point adding fuel to the fire when it hadn't cropped up before now IYKWIM. Things are quite topsy turvy, DSD is talking about moving out as she doesn't think I want her around and I wanted to discuss all this in family counselling but our appointments have been interrupted by DSD's Easter trip home to the US.
I guess I'm more peed off with my friend for even asking when she knows about how we don't trust DSD AND she knows that this makes life difficult for us.
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At sixteen, I don't think I'd be banning her from babysitting other people's kids (for a start, it's good experience in being responsible and keeps her in pocket money that you don't have to give her!) but I'd certainly tell people who asked you that you have found her unreliable and untrustworthy. I suspect her offers would dry up pretty quickly! She needs to learn that reputation is important to protect.
I think too that you need to make sure she bears some consequences for not being more supportive at home. Make sure you aren't doing her any favours that you absolutely don't have to: "I'd love to help you out but I am so tired from not getting any assistance from you that I just can't."
From experience, she's at a difficult age to be welcoming a new sibling. At that age they can often regress and start acting up more. There's something very confronting about your mother having another baby when you're just about grown up. I saw a lot of that in my two eldest when they were that age and expecting younger sibs.
Sixteen is such a hard age. They want to be all grown up and independent, but at their very core they know they still need their parents, and they resent that like hell, whilst still expecting you to take care of them like you did when they were little! No real advice on that score except to say, keeping the lines of communication open, being consistent with your boundaries and consequences, and always being prepared to have a laugh will make sure that this will pass as quickly as possible. I was ready to heave my sixteen year old out in the street... nearly three years later and the thought of her moving out makes me weep!
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...If she is actually teaching the lesson...
I don't have teenagers, so feel free to ignore me! lol But honestly, sounds to me like you are upset and angry and personally I don't like the way you said to your friend when the incident happen that it was "her decision to use DSD again or not" and now you are asking her not to outright.
Your trust issues are not your friends issues to be had or carried. You need to address them with DSD. If you are simply preventing her from working for anyone else because you have issues, I think it send the wrong message to DSD - especially if you haven't informed her you have asked your friend not to ask her to babysit until you feel she can be trusted again.
Appears you need to talk to your friend and work out those issues and work on keeping those issues form your DSD's trust issues iykwim.
Must be tough for you at the moment, I hope DSD will come around and help out and you can all relax and settle in a little bit further.
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Limeslice - I think I admitted in my first post that I have issues
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Sorry Fiona if I wasn't very articulate, I have a 2 year old jumping on me lol.
I was just trying to answer your question "D'you think that's fair or d'you think it's just sour grapes on my part."
Yes, I think it is sour grapes, and no I don't think it is fair if you are not communicating the lesson. I know you acknowledge you have issues - and they are what I was referring to. I think the two issues are beng confused and clouding each other.
I apologise if I spoke out of turn.
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No worries Limeslice. Absolutely no offence taken.
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The thing is with teenagers things change from day to day, their attitude, their behaviour, it's hard to keep up as a parent. Yesterday DS14 was going to a sleepover at his mates house on Friday but because of his attitude this morning he is now no longer going. I suppose what I'm trying to say is sometimes as a parent we say something but the next day it can change. So as Fiona initially told her friend it was up to her about the babysitting things can change in between. I think it's important that you tell your DSD exactly where she stands as far as the babysitting.
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You're right Dianne. When I initially said that to my friend, I anticipated rebuilding the trust with DSD quite quickly. Owing to a few other things that have happened, that trust hasn't been rebuilt.
In fairness to me, this is the first time she's been asked to babysit (and she doesn't even know that my friend wanted her to babysit) in three months so with all the other stuff going on (health issues, pregnant, selling house, buying house), it hasn't been top of mind to talk about something that was a hypothetical ie. "IF you get asked to babysit again, you can't." Does that make sense?
ATM, I honestly have limited energy for working through things. I know that I should but my priority is staying sane (not easy given present housebound circumstances and partner working most weekends to boot) and on looking after my health enough to manage to stay out of a wheelchair around the house at least.
DSD has become a much lower priority lately than she has in the last three years.
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I agree with this. It doesn't sound fair. You are chopping and changing the rules, without warning, all because you are emotional and then you are trying to justify it after the fact to make yourself feel better about doing so.
...If she is actually teaching the lesson...
I don't have teenagers, so feel free to ignore me! lol But honestly, sounds to me like you are upset and angry and personally I don't like the way you said to your friend when the incident happen that it was "her decision to use DSD again or not" and now you are asking her not to outright.
Your trust issues are not your friends issues to be had or carried. You need to address them with DSD. If you are simply preventing her from working for anyone else because you have issues, I think it send the wrong message to DSD - especially if you haven't informed her you have asked your friend not to ask her to babysit until you feel she can be trusted again.
Appears you need to talk to your friend and work out those issues and work on keeping those issues form your DSD's trust issues iykwim.
You are hurt and cranky (understandably) at DSD. If you wanted to make an issue of this, you should have done so at the time. It is not fair to treat her one way after the incident and then change the rules again later on.
You are hurt and cranky at your friend. You are trying to punish your friend, by taking something away from her. And you don't want to feel bad so you are trying to justify it as rational reasonable behaviour. It's not. It is tit-for-tat.
Both of them would have good reason to be p'ed off with you now. But then your aim does seem to be to make them as cranky and hurt as you currently are.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but you did say you wanted opinions.
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The situation only arose yesterday for the first time in three months. The rules have not been discussed in the last three months because the situation hasn't arisen. I don't think that constitutes chopping and changing misty - I would think it's revising the situation based on current circumstances. How many people remember to talk to their kids about the rules for something that may or may not happen? It would be like saying, "if so and so has a party in six months, you can't go because there may be alcohol there." If my friend had contacted DSD directly and arranged her to babysit, I would have just said, "sorry, you can't and here's why." It's not like I'm trying to be covert about it, just that I haven't had the conversation because I can't be arsed addressing something that hadn't yet arisen. Sorry, few other things on.
Anyhow, point taken that I may not be being at my MOST fair and MOST rational but I'm also only human and I think most people would be irked by a friend who knows of your current difficulties, makes no offer to help and doesn't call to see how you're going but DOES call when they want a babysitter fully aware that DSD is not the most reliable. I'm not a saint and that DOES annoy me.
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I don't see it as punishing the friend at all. Fiona needs to think of her DSD first. If I was that friend I would be ringing Fiona to ask if DSD could do the babysiting and take it from there. I would totally understand the circumstances of Fiona saying no. As she is only 16 I would be checking first with Fiona anyway and not DSD.
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Dianne
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Absolutely Diane, but the issue I think Misty and myself were alluding to isn't the friend broaching Fiona or DSD. It is that at the time DSD broke Fiona's trust, Fiona passed the concerns on to her friend and left it up to her friends judgement if she wished to use DSD for babysitting her children again. It was only when (and how much time had elapsed is irrelevant) that friend called again to enquire about DSD babysitting that Fiona said what amounted to "I don't trust DSD with my daughter, so I don't want you to trust her with your children either".
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I just think that if you are saying she is not able to babysit because of a particular incident, then this should have been mentioned to her at the time. 3months is a LONG time in the world of a teenager.
I agree you have a right to be upset and untrusting of your DSD, but you can decide to suddenly extend/create a punishment for something that happened 3 months ago.
If I made a mistake / done something wrong at work, and I was told immediately what the consequences were - fair enough, I would cop it on the chin. If however three months down the track my boss suddenly decided to slap another punishment down and tell me that it was because of what happened three months ago - I would not be happy....
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Misty: I feel that was said a bit harshly. Fiona is in a very difficult time emotionally and physically and it's hard to be 100% clearheaded at times like this. I agree that Fiona did ask for an opinion but that doesn't mean it can be said without tact
Fiona: I get where you are coming from. I have depended on my 15yo DD many a time to help with my 2 young boys... especially at times when my Graves disease has flared up. When there is no extended family around this is just what you need to do... and I can completely understand how much it would hurt to have a friend only call on you when they needed the very thing you need yourself! Also raising teenage daughters is so very tricky. Like you said: sometimes you just want to let the dust settle... their emotions truely do rule the entire household... so much more so than a small child's does. I don't blame you for waiting until a particular issue arose before dealing with it.
I would essentially go with your plan. But i would also make an attempt to communicate to both people the reasons why you are struggling and why things have to be the way you have decided. People who do not suffer pain like your pelvic instability often forget that this is a huge and constant issue for you. Also your upcoming auction and relocation are going to be extra huge stresses. Be firm but fair. Their noses might get out of joint but at the end of the day YOU are the most vulnerable one in this equation. I'll be in touch
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Hi Fiona,
I am sorry to say but i do agree with Misty. I believe that you have decided that DSD cannot look after your daughter and you did inform your friend of how she let you down. So therefore it should be your friends decision whether or not she will allow her to babysit her child.
I also think if she takes her for a walk or to a friends house that gives you a break whether DD is sitting in front of the TV or not, it gives you a break and her a change of environment.
I think that should also keep in mind that she is also 16 yo and has a busy social life. It sounds like that she has been alot of help to you in the past and has let you down on the odd occacsion. I do think you are overreacting a little bit but i think you should ask her for help when you require it. Please keep in mind that there are other things she would probably prefer to be doing and if there is something she has already planned she shouldnt have to put it aside to look after her baby sister.
I am sorry this is a little harsh but i don't think you are being fair. You should be grateful for any help you have and will recieve from DSD and put the past occurance in the past.
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Thanks Bath - as always, you're spot on. Different day, clearer focus and I'll concentrate on the REAL issue that needs addressing which is slightly different to this one. May need to start a new thread for that one though
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