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    Sorry about those veins Lynn - know I am here waiting for news of your results - I hope it is wonderful and that period shows later today...

    Tommysmum: Wow it's hard isn't it when people say really out there things. I am sorry...

    Spring: How was the u/s???? Thinking of you...

    Me: Well I had my follie u/s - woo hoooo eeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still have three fat juicy ready to burst follicles. The nurse said that my endometrium was perfect and she had never seen such a fine one on a woman of my age....
    She said that when the endometrium is so healthy it usually follows that the eggs are too so she said it's all lookin' good for this month!
    I had a fourth follie at 16mms so the decision was made to trigger me to prevent that fourth one maturing. So, I will ovulate within 36 hours. I must say I feel terrible. My belly is swollen and I am aching far into my back. Anyway all for a good cause. My gorgeous obs who is on holidays even took the time to email me to say go ahead with month as it's unlikely to be triplets. I just may have to hold her to that!

    I will pop back in later - I need to eat!


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    Deb that is fantastic news. It must have been so exciting to see those 3 nice and big follies. You are going to have a busy weekend aren't you! We don't want to see you in here ok So it is unlikely for triplets but what about twins???? Your endometrium sounds excellent and that is great news that it means the eggies will be good too. This month looks like it is yours for sure!!!! How exciting.

    I needed some exciting news today!

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    Well after my breakdown I think I am ready to post. Sorry this could be a bit disjointed................

    I got the phone call from the clinic and was told that AF is at least a week or two away. I said WTF (well not in those words, I was polite). I told the nurse that I had taken Provera last week and that my FS told me I should have a period within a week. Now you are telling me it is a week or two away - I don't get it. She said that Provera works for some people and not others. Ha of course it didn't work for me...........nothing ever does!!!!!!!!! She said based on my levels that is what it is showing. I said what levels. She said Progesterone. Well we all know what high progesterone means????????????????????? Ovulation!!!! I said are you telling me that I ovulated this month? And she said yes. AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I said how is that possible. I had a scan and was told I had 2 really good follies, a week later I'm told there is nothing there and then 4 days later (last Tuesday) my FS did a scan and confirmed that there were no follies and that I won't ovulate this month. WTF is going on!! I said that I wanted to speak directly with my FS but he wasn't in and I can't get an appointment with him next week so they are going to get him to call me next Tuesday. I said to the lady, what does the ovulation mean. I mean what if we happened to DTD around ovulation time. She said that they checked my bloods for pg and I'm not. I said could I have got pg from this ovulation with it being so late. She said that it probably wouldn't have been a good egg to fall pg on. I just don't know what is going on anymore. I feel like I have lost all faith in what they are telling me and doing. Does any of this sound right. The thing that annoys me is that different nurses call with the info and I can never speak to my FS. It would be so much easier if I spoke to him.

    Well one thing is for sure - this month is not for me and neither is having a baby in 2007 Stupid golden pig!

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    Lynn :hugs:
    I don't really understand what is going on my love. Okay - you had 2 follies on u/s and then you went back and there was none??? What cycle day did you have the 2 follies?
    What cycle day did you have a repeat u/s and told there were none?
    What level was your progesterone today?

    Lynn, I agree it's really not good enough that you don't get to interact with your doctor. You are paying this guy some good money - you are the consumer and you are not getting a service that satisfies you.
    Okay so you have a few options - you can change doctors - remembering when making your decision that this is a journey and you want the journey to be as stressfree and user friendly as possible. Ask yourself if this guy is that.

    You can continue on with this person after really highlighting how this treatment is making you feel. In my opinion he is not giving you enough info about the process nor is he availing himself to you to answer questions. That disturbs me.

    It seems to me they have made a blue. I would challenge that's why they did a bhcg today - they had given provera to a woman who had ovulated and potentially could have fallen pregnant. I think you need to ask some very direct questions.

    I hope I haven't been too forthright - I just think from what you have said that you have been treated shoddily. There are plenty of specialists out there and many who will be kind, nurturing and freee with information.

    If you can ask what that progestrone was my love. Big hugs to you and I am really sorry that this has happened.

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    Deb,

    I had an u/s on CD15 and was told: prog - 2.2, est - 198, LH - 11.1. I was also told that I had follies - left 11.3 and 9.8, right 16, 14.5 and 9. I was told that the 9 and 9.8 would probably do nothing but the other 3 would.

    I then had an u/s on CD22 and there were no follies at all. Both of these u/s were done by the nurses (2 different ones). I made an appointment with my FS and saw him on CD26 and he did an u/s and confirmed that there were no follies. He said that what was seen on CD15 could have been cysts left over from my last cycle or new follies but my hormone levels weren't high enough to support them. He told me when I saw him that because there were no follies that I would not ovulate this month so he prescribe Provera so that a period would come and I could concentrate on next cycle.

    Is it true that you shouldn't fall pg on eggs that are very late? I am CD36 today.

    My levels today are est - 370, prog - 24, LH - 9.3, pg - neg

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    It's debateable LYnn - I know that some people believe that later ovulation means poorer quality eggs - however I have always been a late ovulator. Evidence based information doesn't tell us that later ovulation leads to poorer outcomes. I have discussed this with a number of fertility guys and no one has said that. However, I do know that some do subscribe to this belief.

    However it's possible and probable that you did't ovulate late. Follies grow at a rate of about 2mm in a 24 hour period. So your cd15 16mm follie would have been 18mm by about cd16-17 a ripe follicle. In IVF a harvest is done when follies reach about 18mm - it is seen as mature. So by cd22 I wouldn't expect to see any follies as you likely ovulated around cd18. The nurse should be able to differentiate a cyst and a follie - they can look alike but they can usually be defined. Today's progesterone at 24 does indicate that ovulation occured but I am wondering what it would have been had it been done around cd 25-26.

    Did you have any hormone levels done at your cd26 visit?

    It's confusing Lynn I agree. It's true that in some women clomid does grow cysts and perhaps this is what happened to you. It's hard to tell. However, clearly you did ovulate at some stage. Howevaer if you ovulated 7 days ago a level of 24 on clomid isn't a good response - however, if you ovulated on cd18 the level of 24 could indicate that your progesterone is on the decrease due to impending menstruation. I don't know I am just throwing this out there.

    I fear I have only confused you more - please send a "please explain" if I have or tell me to keep quiet if I am saying too much...

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    Thanks Deb. I appreciate everything that you have said (I always do). It is good to get an opinion from people that have been through it before. I guess as this is the first time I have ever been monitored I don't really know what I am doing and I guess that is why I am relying on the professionals to get it right. I don't know about ovulating on CD18 though because my levels at CD18 were est - 242, prog - 3.1 and LH 10.4. On CD20 they were est - 202, prog - 2.6 and LH 14.4. I forgot to ask for my levels at CD22 and CD26 because I was more concerned about where my follies had gone! I just tried to ring the clinic but they have left. I will try again on Monday.

    My FS is through IVF Australia so you would think that he has done done this a million times. He came highly recommended and he is a specialist in PCOS and getting woman pg. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but I will be discussing all my concerns with him on Tuesday when I speak to him. I will also mention that it is hard to understand what is going on when I can't talk to him. I understand that he is busy and has other patients but I don't want to feel like a number. I want to feel like he cares. I wish my ob was a FS, he is so caring and gives me hugs and I need one of his hugs right now

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    Lynn, I am lost for words. I agree with Deb, your treatment has been shoddy at best. Fair enough the body can be unpredictable and do things that are unexpected, but it is so important that you get continuity of care and don't get passed around to whoever is on phone duty. I would demand that you are only spoken to by the FS, if he is too busy, fair enough, but he must be honest with you that he isn't able to provide the standard of care that you require and that you deserve. I would then start looking elsewhere.

    I am a big believer in trusting your instincts, so you will know deep down what is the right thing to do. Irrespective of whether he comes highly recommended, he is not living up to his reputation and you shouldn't feel worried about offending him if you decide to move on. You deserve only the best care and I think that it should be a holistic approach, taking care of the mind is just as important, if not more important than taking care of the body. :hugs:

    Deb: It is such nice news to hear that you got your trigger shot . I am sorry you have such discomfort, but as you said, who really cares if it means that you are about to O. You seem so intouch with your body and how it works. I admire that. Thank you for giving Lynn so much help and information today. I just don't know much about the whole process, but it is great that you are such a fantastic support to Lynn and all of us with both the medical stuff but also the emotional stuff.

    Tommysmum: Next time someone takes it upon themselves to touch your belly uninvited, touch theirs back. See how they like it. In my opinion, just because you are UTD doesn't give people a free pass to disrespect your personal space. I bet you look just beautiful in your top :woman:

    Well my crazy lady scan went really well. I had a big talk to the Ob about my experience at the Ultrasound place like asking me what happened to Harry twice and asking how long I breastfeed after I had just told them he was stillborn. Also the fact that they had a new machine and didn't seem competent on it. Well I trusted my instincts and asked that I get a referral to another specialist. I called my specialist in Brissy who was with us the whole way with Harry and he gave me some names in Sydney. He has also offerred to review the 19 week scan if I send him the DVD. My Ob was happy to give me the referral and now I feel better. My BP at the start of the appointment was 150/70 and when I left it was 130/70. Lil' Spring is measuring perfectly and HB was about 150 so I feel good. He has also referred me to a lactation consultant. I have still go a blocked milk duct in my areola and he said he want's to make sure it won't impact my ability to breastfeed. Apparently I can start doing massages and the like to get the blockage to move along. Sounds painful but I'll do whatever it takes. He is such a good doctor, I feel like giving him a big cuddle but I think he would commit me

    About to organise some grub and then I have a phone date with Mel. I'll pop on later to see how my girls are.

    big love
    Spring

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    Hi everyone

    I must admit to feeling a little out of place in this thead as although my losses have been sort of late, I can't pretend to begin to understand the pain and devastation that a stillbirth must give. I have read posts with tears just flowing and I can't believe you are able to offer the most incredible support to others - so strong.

    I would, however, like to add to the trecent thread posts by saying:
    (and I have come from 10 years UK NHS middle management (non-clinical) experience)

    Lynn - def. a lot less than acceptable patient care, pretty bad show, and I think (sod his reputation) look elsewhere for someone who makes you feel taken care of.

    Flower/Deb: you are now my bible and personal mentor - 'nuff said!

    Tommysmum; In situations that you have just faced, I would have punched people - I may be English but I DO NOT have English reserve!!!! How did you hold yourself back so well????

    Spring: Ditto the punching re. the ultrasound place - but sounds like you have harnessed some quality OB care in Sydney

    I am waiting to submit our NZ(Oz was deined too hot for DH!!) Residency application (ie medical hoops to jump through on paper) and then my GP is going to start testing & investigating for possible APS (thanks to Flowers superb posts) so I will dip in when I can

    Much love and best wishes to all
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    Oh Lynn -

    I hadnt been on BB today so didnt realise what was going on but Spring explained to me what happened and I just feel awful for you. I just cant understand how someone could F*** UP so badly!!!! I agree with the other girls that your FS should be making himself available to right now, I mean they stuffed up - plain and simple - he should be "explaining" to you what has gone wrong and making the effort to put things right. It is totally not good enough that you have to wait until Tuesday to get some answers. Definitely give him the third degree, I cannot believe they gave you that pill without knowing 100% you had not ovulated!!!! I dont really know what else to say because I am absolutely dumbfounded that this has happened, and I am really that they are making you go through this, you already have enough on your plate at the moment and I wish you didnt have to go through even more S***!

    Again, I am so sorry for everything. Love and :hugs: to you.

    Mel

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    Hi to everyone else,

    Spring - Was really nice talking to you tonight. I am so glad that lil Spring was bouncing around in there at your scan. I hope you have a good night sleep with no weird dreams

    Deb - That is wonderful news about your follies and that you got jabbed into action. We are all expecting not to see you around too much over the weekend, you have better things to do

    Alex - Dont feel out of place here in this thread, we are nice gals and welcome anyone who feels they need to be here. I am sorry for the loss of your angels Good luck with your NZ residency application, and I hope your GP can find some answers for you.

    Tommysmum - Nice one DH! Men lack so much tact done they? People do say insensitive things, and unfortunately we all just cop it on the chin so as not to make the situation uncomfortable. Why is that we have the decency to do that but other dont? Afterall we are the ones hurting! Hope you feel a little better tonight. People need to start worrying more about whether we are ok and forget about themselves - just the way we do for them!

    Bailey - Hope you are having a great holiday, sunbaking, partying, playing with DS... cant wait to hear all about it.

    (Deb, meant to say...) I didnt end up getting OPKs from lullaby cause I didnt read your post until last night and figured I wouldnt get them... luckily I went to supermarket tonight and got First Response (7 OPK & 1 HPT) for $10.99 on sale - bargain huh! DH doesnt know I bought them, its a long story but I managed to sneak them in after hiding them in the letterbox for half an hour LOL. So anyway I tested and got a positive. I spoke to my "sexual councellor" Spring and have decided that I will skip DTD tonight to leave a night in between (for DHs swimmers to regenerate, sorry I know TMI) and go for it tomorrow and Sunday and maybe again on Tues to be safe, and I think we will have covered all bases. I think it is the best we can do, I hope we succeed but I am gonna try not to stress too much. Besides Lynn and I have a plan to fall at the same time so...

    On a slightly sad note, when we got home last night another one of our Budgies - Charlie - had died It is a little sad but he really wasnt very well, he has been deteriorating for a while and over the weekend really went downhill, so now he is at peace and with Kenny in budgie heaven.

    Oh well, guess I should go to bed I turn into a pumpkin in exactly 1 minute.

    Goodnight, Mel
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    Morning ladies - rise and shine....

    Spring - glad to hear that lil spring is doing just fine - you must be so excited (and i know we are all excited for you) but it just amazes me that people ask how long you breastfeed for after a stillborn...what planet are these people on ???

    Flowerchild - Again, wonderful news for you - have a "nice" weekend and go hard girl - or perhaps that should be directed at your partner !!!

    Lynn - i am so sorry to hear about your news -WTF is going on with these people. When you finally speak to your FS i would demand that you get ALL answers from him directly from now on - make sure you stress your concerns on all the different answers/options you have been given and that you are paying top dollar for his services (so you want HIS services). Something positive has to come out of all of this.... i just know it will.

    Will be good to meet you on Wednesday - i also go by the name of "Monica" so you will know who i am. Alternatively i could just wear my "fat dress" and you will know straight away who i am....but i don't think i will (might give over people ideas and it is way too early to tell people that i am pg). Bailey won't be there - still away (have news on Bailey below)...

    Mel - well looks like you too will be busy this weekend. Good luck and have fun ! Very good news to hear and i do think that you and Lynn will be pg at the same time.... Also, sorry to hear about Charlie and Kenny - at least they are together in budgie heaven....

    Alex - hope all is going well with you and hope to talk more soon. Sorry about the loss of your angels - we are all here to help each other and jump in any time (i did). No worries about people making comments - really i don't care (i actually find it funny sometimes) - you have to have a sense of humour even if the joke is about you ! I can take it really.

    Heard from Bailey last night via text. She is day 38, no AF and ab cramps - HELLO - what is this telling you !!!! I said get a "f*** test done NOW !" I also said she should stop right now taking the drugs, smokes and alcohol she is shoving into her whilst on hols....LOL

    Enough from me - got to feed the little rascal.

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    Tommysmum: Thanks for the update on Bailey, it sounds very promising. When is she due back? Is she going to test while she is there or wait until she gets back. I have Hey and if you want to wear your 'fat dress' on Wednesday, you go for it girl.

    Mel: It was great chatting with you last night. Hope the mexican was yummy. I think that your DTD plan for this weekend is the right one. LMAO about hiding the OPK's in the letterbox, you crack me up. Well I hope your plan went well this morning we can expect to see you around lunch hey

    Jo: I think most of us felt a little out of place when we first joined, not sure if we fitted in, but honey you are part of the gang now so make sure you stick around. Good luck with your residency application but if you ever decide to come back to the best country on earth, we'd love to have you.

    Lynn: How are you feeling today honey? I have had a look back through the posts over the last day or so and you have a lot to take in. Just know that I am only 15 mins away so if you need anything I would love to help. Take care babe.

    Deb: Hope the race to catch the eggie is going well. I hope so much this is your month and that in a few weeks we have another graduate.

    Nat, Chelle, Klee and all you other wonderful ladies, hope you are well.

    I have just spent 2 hours cleaning so now it is outside to do my 'man chores' boy I can't wait for DH to come home. Only 55 sleeps to go. He isn't home this weekend but I get to see my Big sister tomorrow. She is flying back from Bangkok to Brisbane via Sydney so we are going to have breakfast together. I can't wait.

    Be back after my 'man chores'

    Luv Spring

    PS. I think yesterday and today I am starting to feel some movements. Not convinced yet but hopefully they just keep getting stronger.

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    Hi everyone,
    Lynn: I hope you are feeling a little better today... 3 more sleeps until you can talk to your specialist - can you write some things down before then so that you have it clear in your mind what you want to ask? I hope I didn't say too much yesterday - sometimes too many opinions can be too much...

    Mel: YIPPPPEEEEEE on that positive opk. So, generally you ovulate 12-24 hours after a positive so I hope you dtd today and that you catch that gorgeous egg this month. You and I are cycling together so I guess in another 14 days we will know if we did (catch the egg!)

    Tommysmum: Thankyou for the update on Bailey

    Alex: As I said that gp sounds great - I am hoping for wonderful things to come! I hope you get that residency. New home new baby is the saying - so it's all going to be good!

    Spring: Enjoy breakfast with your big sister - what a nice way to spend Sunday. It's hard with your DH away - not long now and he will be back...

    Jo, Chelle and everyone else HI!!!!

    Well, I am still really congested but the twingey ovulatory pains have begun - they are really strong - I guess that's what you get with 3 eggs! The nurse said DTD the day of the positive and leave it a day and then DTD again. However, I have always DTD daily around ovulation with success so I am going to do the same this month. I am assuming I will ovulate some time this afternoon so last nights deed will likely be the one! I am praying with all I have that we catch at least 1 healthy egg this month that turns into baby/ies I get to take home.

    I have an old friend coming for afternoon tea so I better get out of here and into the kitchen! I will pop back later on.

    Have a great Saturday!

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    hello everyone,

    I will have to make this short and sweet, the computer here is hardly on the cutting edge of technology. And it's slow, I haven't had a chance to go through all of the posts, but I have read this page, and I am so sorry Lynn about all of the mix-ups. I hope they sort it out for this next cycle.
    We are having a great time here, though the monster is being just that. The weather is great, the food even better and I have only spent about $200 in a week. I will go mad with the shopping the rest of this week.
    As Tommysmum said, I am now on 39 and still no AF, so not sure. Had lots of cramps, but still not convinced. I am going out now to try and find a HPT, but those are probaby fakes too! I'll get on later and let ya'll know. Fingers crossed!!

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    Good luck Bailey! I hope you get a - come back and let us know if you can!

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    Hi Girls,

    Bailey - for you, I really hope you get a positive and cant wait to hear the results. What length is your cycle again? I have tried to look at your ticker but both yours and mine arent working - I guess we can assume it is because of Bump-and-beyong website rather than BB website as everyone elses seems to be fine. Glad your having a nice time, keep enjoying it even with DS being a little monster as kids his age do.

    Spring - You put me to shame and you are UTD, I have no excuse but havent cleaned for ages (except toilet and shower, oh and I vacuum regularly)... I have tidied here and there but thats about it - its been so long since I mopped and dusted Have a nice breaky with your sis tomorrow. I so wish I hadnt of booked my Brissie tickets without knowing you were gonna be there 2 days later, I cant change the tickets either cause I will lose the money I think, I would have so love to catch up - but like I said DH and I WILL make is to Syd after lil Spring is born. But not to help with nightfeeds LOL

    Deb - I so hope your DTD last night is the one for you, I am praying for both of us that we get lucky (in more ways than one LOL). We didnt DTD last night, and I told Spring I would wake DH up with a lil morning surprise but when I woke up he had already gotten up, had a showed and was playing PS2. Anyway, there is always tonight. I am pretty sure the time of the day wont matter too much, as long as its done.

    Tommysmum - How are you feeling? Any nausea setting in?

    Lynn - I have been thinking about you today and wondering (and hoping) you are ok. I am leaving you alone and not texting because I guess need some time to yourself, but I am here for you if you need anything... and you have Spring around the corner... so you are not alone. Look after yourself

    Well I did another OPK this afternoon and it is still positive so I guess I can assume the surge is still going and therefore I will ovulate Sunday or Monday (????) - who the hell knows, I dont fully understand these things. Anyway, all I know is that the surge is happening!!!! We are going out tonight to see "Chopper's Hardin' The F*** Up" show (its that guy from The Ronny Johns Hour in case that sounds weird) and having dinner at Crown so it should be a good night. We are going with a friend of mine, my sister and BIL.

    I took the step last night of emailing Sids and Kids in Melbourne to find out some information about the meetings cause I am thinking of attending them. I think it will be a great help for me mentally but I am a little nervous to start going cause I wont know anyone at all. I dont think I am allowed to take anyone with me and I keep worrying what if everyone there has been there a while and is really cliquey. Also it has been 7 months since I lost Nicholas and I keep thinking that all the other women will wonder what I am doing there as it has been a while. DH keeps saying its not like a mothers club, its a support group for women who have been through similar things and everyone will be like they are here on BB - god I hope so! Anyway, cause I should wait for a response from them before I get myself too worked up.

    Oh well, guess I better be off to make myself look beautiful... it takes a while!!!! LOL . I hope you all have a nice Saturday night.

    Love Mel

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    Hey Bailey: Great to hear from you and great to hear that you are having a good time. Ohhh I hope you get a HPT that isn't a dodgy one and get a I have everything

    Mel: DH and I love that Chopper impersonator, I hope you have a good laugh and a nice time out.

    Well I'll be hanging around all arvo. Still have a killer headache so I am hoping it goes away so that I can relax and enjoy my Sunday.

    Deb: hope you have a nice afternoon with your friend with lots of yummy treats.

    Luv Spring

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