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    LAura - Sometimes it takes an impartial person to see when you need a little extra help. You sound like you are doing well to me but it is hard to tell on the internet and can be easy to say only what you want as well. However sometimes the Drs etc don't always know what is best for you. Is the mother and baby unit like Tresillian/ Torrens House (in SA) where you jsut get help and have a rest or is it more mental health focussed? IF you could I would try and suss out their methods or you could just treat it like a holiday. I don;t think you would be detained so findout if you don't like their methods can you leave? You can alwys try their way, there will be people there to support you and if you don't like it or it doesn't work you don't have to continue doing it at home. It is hard though because they have so called experts with the techniques that 'work' but you don't like them so don't use them and that is why you ended up there? IYKWIM.
    I have thought about trying to get into our sleep place here but talking to Child and youth health on the phone who run it there are things that just don't work for me. I am NOT avoiding eye contact with E because it is too 'stimulating'. I just think it is horrible and I wouldn't like it if I was distressed and the person who I loved most wouldn't look at me. Plus I am not going to stand and rock the cot for hours to make him go to sleep, won't work. I have started sort of following the Karitane guidelines sometimes, ie leaving him for a minute or two to cry, but that is only when nothing else works and I absolutely hate doing it but I think it does sort of work. I do go back, calm him and pcik him up and kiss him and tell him how sorry I am. I did that finally this morning after about 40minutes of up and down and bottles etc and he has now been asleep nearly 1 hour and 45mins. I better go check on him. He's ok.
    Maybe do a post in the general section asking about M &B units and peoples experiences.
    I just want to say whatever you choose you are doing an awesome job and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. What we choose to do with our children is our decision and we are the ones that deal with the consequences.

    CM- E has been pretty feral during the day, not sure if teething, tired, and yesterday it was day 3 of not pooping. He finally did poop. I do feel like a bad 'mummy' as when he won't settle or really miserable I give panadol and maybe bonjela too. But whatever works and I really hate E crying/whinging/unhappy ?in pain and if I can help in some way I will.



    I got to sleep 5 hours!!!! E went to bed at 6, woke at 9 for a feed, DH gave him a dream feed bottle at 1130 then he woke at 330 for another feed. I didn't hear him at 1130 but DH said it was a wonder as he did cry. I still feel tired but not too bad. Feeding is going ok, still doing both and it is working. We will try and both as long as we can. It is nice being able to get DH to give a bottle so I can sleep, especially if he is still up anyway. Plus he benefits because I am not as grumpy a cow.
    My little man woke after about 1hour 50. Phone rang so I think that made him wake though it didn't happen immediately.
    Anyway hugs to all

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    Thanks for the idea Luey. Just posted a thread asking for peoples experiences with them.
    It is kind of like Sleep School but with extra care for the mother.Therapy etc.

    xx

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    If you can go voluntarily and able to leave it might be worth a shot. they may have some ideas and hopefully they will be understanding when you say that him crying stresses you out more. They may have ideas for dealing with it and making it less plus tips for dealing with sam. I jsut re-read your post, no sleep makes things worse, getting through th day seems impossible and trying to keep on top of stuff. Beleive me I know. Maybe by going and getting more rest that will be a miracle cure too.
    E is back in bed, I did the leaving him for a min or so when crying and going back in to comfort and suddenly the crying just stopped when out of the room! I went back in and put the dummy in and he has gone to sleep. Now I am worried I have broken his spirit and have threatened the attachment bond. Stupid I know. I didn't leave him long though and it wasn't very long till he went to sleep from when he started. It worked, doesn't make me feel any better though.

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    Luey: IMO i wouldnt worry about the possiblility of breaking an attachment bond after a few mins crying, poor james has done a lot of crying in his 6 months (with the karitane idea and in general) and i have to say he just adores me lol my mum says it all the time, no matter who is holding him his head is cranked around looking at me and smiling, she says he loves you so much that boy !

    Laura: if you are uncomfortable going to a mother and baby unit then it may not be of benefit to you, my thoughts are babies are changing so often that if you manage to "teach" Sam to sleep better while in there the next week he will be doing something else anyway and you will be back at square one, as you know James has been a dreadful sleeper and i did a bit of karitane stuff with him and sometimes it worked other times it didnt and he just started sleeping 2 and 3 hours during the day by himself (but is hopeless at night), i dont know if im making any sense but what im trying to say is it wont solve all your sleep problems from now on (although it might improve them for now !) also i wanted to let you know there are patches you can buy (look a bit like nicotine patches) that numb the skin so they babies dont feel injections as much, they are called Emla and can be used from 6 months (and sam is close enough) they are around $16 for two so you put one on each thigh )or wherever you get the injections done) about one hour before injections, might take away some of your anxiety about immunisations, i use them once they are 6 months old because i hate getting them done too (even though i give the ones at birth in my job !)

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    Luey , I know what you mean!! But don't worry,he was just tired and went back to sleep.Ha and that coming from me!

    Mel, I agree with you about the babies changing so frequently.Sam has fantastic weeks then horrid weeks.It's not really the sleep issues I was considering going in for.More for me.But still...I don't know if it would even benefit me.I guess I can always leave if I don't like it.I just feel that there isn't enough support out there for me.I have tried and tried to work all this out and to some degree I have.But I don't feel like I am coping.I'm sure it's from lack of sleep......
    I did the Post Natal test again at my last MCHN appointment and scored a lot higher than I had in the past few months.The questions are quite silly though.There is one that asks 'In the last week have you thought about hurting yourself' Answers are something like "all the time' , 'some of the time' etc etc.I answered some of the time and the nurse freaked!! But it's not like I am going to do anything.Just thoughts that I would like to smash the car into a tree.They are just thoughts and I have no intention of following through with them.Does that even make sense??
    I just don't know what is going through my head.I feel lost, and not like me.I feel waves throughout the day.One minute I am fine the next I feel like life has no hope.I don't know why I have to feel these things, this is not how it was meant to be.

    Gosh...I have just started talking gibberish on all of you! sorry I am very tired!!I am OK.

    Just want to say thank you as well to all of you for being so welcoming of me and my very selfish posts.BB and all of you have been my lifeline.xx

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    Hi everybodeeeeeeee did ya miss me??? My goodness what a few weeks I have had. We had our trip home to NZ and it was cold and wet. Enjoyed it though. It was great to see our family there and catch up with my girlfriends. No big raging nights on the juice but it was good none the less.
    Scout was good.His little routine that he does have was completely thrown out of whack but he was happy enough with it. He was fantastic on the plane. Had a bit of a scream on the take off but after that he slept. He was almost too big for the bassinet but he obviously thought it was comfy cause he slept like a trooper. Especially on the way back again.
    Wow we have some chunky monkeys in here dont we? I thought I had a heffa lump at just over 8kgs but I think he would be out boxed with some of your treasures.
    In general my boy is doing well. He has his crappy days which are compensated by his absolute "I love you so much days" He is rolling heaps both ways which is really annoying actually as he is all over his cot especially when he doesnt want to go to sleep. He is also sitting unsupported. He does get the wobbles sometimes but usually when he is tired. No teeth yet either which I am pleased about.
    I thought I wanted to give up the BF once we got back from NZ but now im thinking im not ready just yet so I will play it by ear. Maybe when he is sleeping through again as it is so easy to just "flop" my boob out to feed him when we are both half asleep, I cant be arsed getting up to do the bottle thing at that time of the night.
    Well ladies I had better get going and do the school lunches and hang out my final load of washing (does it end??) but i have to say how much I enjoyed reading all the posts I had missed while I was away. Great effort

    Good night all

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    Phew have I got some catching up to do!

    Laura you are most certainly welcome, we absolutely love having you and Sam with us! And I'm sure we have all felt that this thread and BB have been our lifeline at sometime. It's what we are all here for, to give, and get support. your posts are not selfish at all, I love to hear how you are going with your PND especially. I find it so interesting to hear about it from your POV and TBH, most of what you say and how you feel I know I have felt at sometime in my mothering life, so please don't feel like it's gibberish. It's real and honest and we understand

    Why are the dr and mchn wanting you to go to the unit? If it's not exactly for sleep? Why don't you feel you are coping? What don't you feel you are coping with? Sorry if I seem nosy I'm curious, and like I said before, I really have honestly felt or do feel the same a lot myself. Beleive me there are times when i feel I can't cope either and I want to just run down the road! Not that i would but I feel like it!

    Ooooh fluffy mail! Those Minkees sound divine, I love minkee! At night I use a BBB or BBH, with a booster in between the nappy and cover. Never had a leak. DH always complains about the smell of Jakes nappy in the morning but I haven't noticed it. Although last nights was a shocker, must be the teething, that can make their wee stink! A strip wash wouldn't hurt anyway

    All-boys welcome back! Glad you had a great trip and that Scout was a trooper for you. Would love to see some pics if you get a chance?

    Luey for you, I understand how you feel re the crying. But as Mel said, he will still love you I'm not one for crying, especially when I know I can make it stop and make him feel secure. You wrote:
    I just want to say whatever you choose you are doing an awesome job and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. What we choose to do with our children is our decision and we are the ones that deal with the consequences. And I couldn't agree more.

    Mel great point about the ever changing behaviour of our bubs! And also on the Emla, never used them myself but I've heard they are good. How are your night battles going?

    Catherine Jake has been difficult in the day too. I cant put him down or walk away without him crying, I wish some teeth would cut! The mixing of BM and formula sound like a good idea.

    Jo glad you had a nice weekend and a lovely dinner. Makes such a difference! I also hope Isabella's results are all good too. She is doing really well, you should be proud. you are also doing a fantastic job with DH away for some long, holding the fort at home alone.

    Argh!! hgotta go, Jake is awake again.....suffice to say we are NOT having a good day!! lol. BBL

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    Ok.....

    Hiya Macca! How are you guys doing??

    Nic, LOL at Dusty's wet fart!! I think I need to be a good Mummy like you and put the pillows out around Jake, he got his first war wound today. He was sitting really good and I moved away for one second and plop, down he went and hit his brow bone on a stacking cup.

    Not much here, DH and i are ok at the moment, all going well. Jake is being a rat lately, I'm convinced it's teeth though. Took him for his immunisations today but couldn't get them done as he still has a little cold and a cough. He has been very yellow in the coloring on his face lately particularly his nose but the dr said it was normal. I'm not so sure so will book him into a different dr in a week or so for his needles. He is now getting up on all fours and rocking as if he's gonna crawl but he doesn't yet. The commando is faster, lol. I'm looking forward to catching up with some girlfriends and their kids tomorrow, one has a nb, who is abour 3 weeks old.....cluck, cluck, cluck! lol. gotta get some sleep now, Jake has been sleeping until around 2:30am the last two nights so here's hoping it happens again.....

    xxx

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    just a quick one from me

    Bec: do you think Jake is starting to experience seperation anxiety and that is why he is crying when you put him down, on the weekend i went to visit my friend with 2 month old twins and she held james while i held one of her babies and james snuggled into her resting his head on her chest and then he looked up and realised he could still see me so he realised it wasnt me he was snuggling and he SCREAMED, the tears we flowing in mere seconds, so i think he is a bit clingy to me, im certainly the favourite ! im also the favourite with DD, its cute but driving me insane, daddy can't do anything, not get her dressed, run a bath etc its tiring !
    last night was a slight improvement sleep wise, james still woke 3 times between 11 and 5 but he went straight back to sleep and for the last week he has required rocking that can take up to an hour and thats awful 3 times a night !! he didnt sleep well today because i had him at the dr and other things were going on so he put up a good fight tonight and im expecting him to wake any minute, he always likes a feed around 11pm no matter how long he has been down for

    also like i said im sure Jake's colouring is from starting solids, i found this link for you (are we allowed to use them on BB ? Is it normal for your baby to have an orange nose? - Yahoo!7 Answers hope you can view that, if you google yellow baby and solids you will find some info about it

    Laura: its hard to know what is best for you, if you go into the clinic can you take DH along too for support, i guess its worth a try if you can leave whenever you want to

    as for me i had my test done, results apparently arent consistant with carpal tunnel, specialist who breezed in briefly said it must be muscular or ligament pain as pain isnt usually a symptom of carpal tunnel, when i get this pain its REALLY bad (and thats coming from a woman who got to the hospital 20 mins before my boy was born so i can tolerate pain lol) so not sure what will happen now, i dont get it bad often but when i do its excruciating and no medications help and last about 24 hours, i know it will stop when i stop breastfeeding but that doesnt help now......


    Melinda

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    Hello All,

    Quick one from me....Ari has 2 teeth!! They are through the gum now so I hoping he is less cranky tomorrow and maybe he will actually sleep.

    He digested his first piece of food today (6mths today) which was a small piece of spiral pasta that we had for dinner.

    I have put an updated pic on my blog that I cant seem to link on here

    Loving the pics through email - and I promise to try to get back here by Friday to leave some proper responses.

    thinking of all of you,

    Hayley.

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    Hi ladies,

    Laura, you are definitely not speaking gibberish & a lot of it I can relate to as well. Trisillian sounds very similar to the mother & baby unit as it does concentrate on lot's of different things depending on what you need help with. I would mainly be going for the sleep thing but who knows what they might discover when I get there I wonder if it is the right thing for me to go for a few reasons. As Mel pointed out they are going through so many changes ATM that can really throw them out so I don't know if sleep training will help with that? I don't know if I can handle controlled crying which I am pretty sure they do, I don't know if I can cut out feeds or structure feeds more - which I also think they do. I want to give them a go & I don't have to stay if I don't want to but I wonder how long do I give their techniques a go, if I don't like them, to see any results?
    Luey I also worry about breaking that trust that I am working so hard to build up again. I did some things when D was little that I really regret & wish I hadn't done, I read Robyn Baker's baby love book which talks about avoiding eye contact during the night feeds & before sleep time & I did that for a few days & then D wasn't looking at me through the day & I realised what I was doing was soooo sooo wrong, I also left him a few times to cry for over 30 mins - out of sheer desperation but a tiny bubba how could I do that So it is really important to me that I don't do anything to jeapardise (sp) the trust we have built up. But Mel you are right as well will a few minutes of crying really hurt?? I just don't know

    Hi Hayley, I knew I missed someone the other day. Are you feeling better? for the teeth, it makes it easier to deal with the crankiness knowing that teeth are coming through. I understand about not knowing who me is. I have gone through all these years secretly jealous of people with kids cause when you have kids you have a sense of purpose & reason for being here, at least that is how it seemed to me. I didn't want to have kids for that reason but was hoping when the time come that it would fill that .....something.... don't know what it is but it hasn't so off to the drawing board again, that probably hasn't helped but I empathise with you.

    Mel, don't you love specialist, you pay all this money for them to do [email protected]**** & spend so little time with you. Have you thought of trying accupucture or something like that? I think they must be getting to a clingy stage as D is starting to reject DP & I doesn't like me to be too far from him. Ahh the phases, hope this one passes quickly though The b/f sounds frustrating for you ATM, I hope it settles soon, biting & scratches are not fun. I thought D was bad as he has started to pump his arm or move his legs while feeding but he sounds great in comparison.

    Bec, the pillows are from experience, I think the reason he sits so well is because he has a bouncer that has pictures of red cats, blue dogs, yellow birds etc... & when he wasn't sitting in it he always wanted to eat it so I started to sit him in front of it because he could hold onto the buckles etc... but would sometimes loose his balance. So hence pillows are always handy. Just when I think I can start to get rid of them he goes down plonk & it is a carpet square on tiles so it isn't very soft poor kid.

    Hi Allboys, welcome back. Glad the trip to NZ went well. In terms of b/f I'm hoping to make it in baby steps to 12 mnths so my next goal is 9 mnths but the teeth thing scares me.

    Catherine, you might have to get DH to give him the bottles until he is use to them as they can get fussy with when they can smell your milk apparently.

    Jo, glad DH was home for the weekend, sounds like it was nice to have everyone at home. Sounds like Isabella is really starting to put on the weight which is great for the EEG scan.


    Time for TU, we definitely have 1 tooth & I think I can feel the edgs of another tooth coming through. It must be really painful for them cause the other day I went for walk with him in the pram & we were nearly home & he would stop crying (he usually likes the movement of the pram especially the bumpy bits) in desperation I put my fingers in his mouth & he shut up instantly poor thing, I am going to have to make sure I have some bonjella with me at all times JIC. I defintely jinxed our sleeping so the Sun night he was up from 1.30 until about 4.30 before finally falling asleep exhauted in my arms & then last night he was awake from about 2 until 3.30 am, I thought it was bad that he woke for feeds but at least he doesn't want to play & is happy to dream feed but this is absolutely shocking. We did go to sleep this morning from about 7 until 10.30 so that was something. I am definitely glad for napisan, lot's of soaking going on here. I'm a bit shocked at how big he is but we have some giants in the family & DP is pretty tall so he must be a throw back or something gawd love him.
    I finally made it out of the house & to another mothers group today that is run by the hospital so it is the info sessions at the moment. Not to sure about the mums but they are probably as shy as I am so I will keep going & see how it goes.

    Well it is that time of the morning again & I best be off. See ya lovely ladies another time

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    super quick post from me this morning, Mel i had thought separation but I don't think it is. He is fine a lot of the time (like now) where I disappear and get stuff done while he plays on the floor. But just when the teeth are niggling he doesn't like to be put down. All normal of course and I would want cuddles too thanks for that link, I looked at it, hopefully it should fade now we are just giving him what we are having.

    gotta run supposed to be going out today but I was up with Jacob last night for ages and then Chloe had a horrible cough too.......YAY not sure if we'll go.

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    HI girls!! WOW you guys have been busy!! Good to hear that everyone is doing well.
    Cohen had his first solid food yesterday....well semi solid. He has pureed carrot! WOO HOO!!! He LOVED it! He had his mouth open waiting for more as soon as he swallowed what he already had in his mouth, I couldn't believe it. It was so much fun, he had it all over himself from head to toe. He even tried to feed himself. He also had a rusk, what a change from a few days ago, it is amazing. Just goes to show all they need is time huh? It concretes the fact for me that I can't force anything on him (not that I did) but that he will do everything in his own time.
    Not sitting unsupported yet, only rolling one side...the right, no rolling back onto his back, no signs of teeth as yet and still wrapping him to got to sleep. Oh well.....I'm hapy to have him as my "Little" baby for as long as he wants to be.
    I'm sure Cohen is 10kg. He is in size 0 and some size 1's just depending on the brand of clothing. The suit he is wearing at the moment says 12mths!!! Holy cow! What a heffa!
    Had better get to doing some house work. All I seem to do is put it off. Naughty!
    Talk soon
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    rustygirl - I hear you on the housework. I have a massive pile of ironing starint at me.

    Laura - How are yo utoday? Hope last night was better

    Mel - Ithink I have read too much. I know logically that a few mins of crying, not lots and more a whingey cry 'won't hurt'. When he is distressed I don't leave him, unless I need a break. I read Pinky McKay's sleeping like a baby, and it is a good book but it has scared me of leaving him to cry at all because I will break attachment bond and cause baby depression. There are some real horror stories in there. Grrr doesn't matter what I try it still takes an hour for him to get to sleep of a morning. Maybe we should leave him up longer but he is so whingey and unhappy. How was last night? My little man thinks 5am is wake time. I keep putting him back to bed and dummy back in, after trying feeds etc and go back to bed myself. I am not encouraging that one.

    all boys- glad you had a good trip.

    Robbo - Yay for teeth. Still no more here, I think I see some but then they go again.

    Hi Bec - Hope all in your household are better soon

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    Luey: i really havent read much about it so you would know more about it than me, i think it all comes down to what you feel comfortable doing...dont get me wrong i hate it when James cries too but i had reached the point where i couldnt take the whole 45 min nap thing anymore (wouldnt of cared if it was enough for him but he would be so whingy all the time and an hour later i would be putting him back to bed again so i had to do something for all our sakes) as bec quoted back to you he is your child you do what you think is right.

    what time do you put E back to bed in the mornings, james is usually up about 3 hours now (he is also an early riser) i find if i put him back too soon he does the 45 min thing and if i hold him out (it helps he has a big sister to entertain him!) then he sleeps better and longer. last night he went to sleep at 8pm woke at midnight and 4 am then all up for the day at 6 (that was a sleep in for him) thats a good night for us as he went straight back to sleep without a sound.
    this morning he has been asleep 1.5 hours, he could wake anytime or sleep another hour, i never really know with him

    Hayley: Ari is so gorgeous. you must be so exhausted with the 4 kids though !

    Laura: sometimes the responsibility is overwhelming and i cant switch off, even if im not with them (although those occasions are rare !) i hope things start to feel more positive for you soon

    welcome back all boys

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    Hi all how are your Thursdays going?
    Scout has had the worst few nights ever. He has been waking at least 3 times a night, then deciding 5-530 is a great time to start the day! Aaarrrgggghhhh. Hating the sun and birds at this time. Little bugger is asleep now and has been for an hour, I guess he is tired!!!
    I keep telling myself its not going to last but wow its not easy.
    My poor older boys copped it big time this morning which then of course started the guilty mother syndrome. Sending my boys off to school in a bad mood because mum didnt get enough sleep, im such a [email protected]
    Who would do this thankless job? I am currently defrosting chicken for their favourite dinner and have a jam slice in the oven for after school to make up for yelling at them. Oh bring on tommorrow, I can start again.

    On to a wee bit more personal front sorry in advance if its TMI. Did your periods (for those of you who have them back) come back regularly straight away? I have had one but thats it. Is the BF still affecting it? Its just so worrying. We are not on any contraception aside from condoms (sometimes) because we havent decided if we want another baby yet so would rather wait till we work that out an then hubby gets the chop!
    However if Scout continues this non sleeping thing he might decide it for us. Sex is the last thing I feel like let alone the thought of another baby!!

    Hope your days are better than my nights
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    Hi everyone,
    Just a quick one.
    All-boys, we had a patch of really shocking nights too but they have gotten a lot better. He is now only waking once (usually) overnight, thankfully!! I only lasted about a week and a half. That was more than long enough tho!! On the period front, mine came back straight away, even tho I was exclusively BF (TBH I was a bit annoyed, I had hoped for a little reprieve )...anyway it is back and very regular. Don't know if that is normal.
    Flynn had his 6 mth needles today and has been great. One of the mums form mother's group was there and we had lunch together which was lovely. Flynn is being a lot more like his 'old self'!! Which is just delightful! He has been taking bottles too. I don't hold him while I give it to him, I just prop him up on some pillows. I didn't put any EBM in the last bottle I gave him. It took a few goes but he eventually took nearly the whole bottle!
    Hope you are all going well,
    Take care

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    So this week has not been so great. Will was sick on Sunday and started throwing up after every feed. By Monday he was throwing up in between and had really runny nappies so off we got to the doctors. Turns out he had tonsillitis and a suspected UTI. Because he had kidney dilation at 21 weeks gestation they thought the UTI (possible) could be a sign that dilation was still a problem. So no worries we just need to do a wee test. A guess who won't wee! thats right, even with me ,two nurses and the doctor (all girls so Will turned the charm on) and nothing. they ended up putting this little bag over his bits to 'collect' some wee. We get home 20 min later and there is 80 ml in the bag, go figure. So anyway he is better now, no UTI thank goodness, just one very sleep deprived mum. Will is back to two night feeds a night at the moment but I think that is because he has been sick and teething (did I mention 4 teeth now?). Plus I just never get to sleep before midnight. Oh well at least he is healthy, plus I love the midnight feed cuddles when he is drowsy, warm and just want to snuggle. Lately he has started putting both his hands on my cheeks and pulling his face up to mine and then making really cute little noises. He usually does it after a sleep. I like to think it is his idea of kisses. So cute!

    Anyone else just stare at their bubs and wonder where the time has gone?

    Ewol - Great that you and Mick got some couple time. It is amazing how it can be so easy to forget to make time for ourselves and our partners, or just not possible. I hope that Isabellas EEG results come back ok.

    njd - I ended up ditching one of the baptisms. the mum came to our mothers group lunch and announced she had found a gold cross she wanted and told us she had put it on layby and we could all just pay some off for her. I could not be stuffed after that. I have a close frinds name day this weekend. Our sons are best mates (so we say) and for him I made some yummy organic baby food in reusable containers. Its stuff that is practical and helps her out now I figure.

    Melinda - for you in this trying time. I hope things settle for you and James soon. Does expressing and putting it into a bottle help?

    catherine - Teething can defiantly mess with their sleep so I say go with your instincts on that one. If he is gagging on the formula it might be the teat. Will is funny with teats and still uses a newborn teat during the day as he gags. At night I use a medium flow. Also I found with Will when he went to the bottle I had to try a few different types till we found one he would take. Hope it all goes well for you.

    laurab - DH and I are thinking of just letting Will make his own mind up about baptism etc. We don't go to church so I don't really see the point. He is here in the world and that is what matters. Your nephew sound awesome!

    Luey - great that DH can help you out with feeds. I still give Will a dream feed on occasion and it helps get him through a longer block of sleep. I try to take advantage of that when I can. Sleep rocks (when you can get it ,lol).

    All boys - Scout sounds like a great traveler. Can you collect frequent flyer miles for him yet, lol.

    Robbo3 - Yeah on the teeth, way to go Ari!

    rustygirl For Cohen. Sound like he is liking this solid business!

    Anyway hi to any one I missed.
    Please excuse my typos, I have fat finger syndrome.

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