Babies Born October 2007 #23

[Junglemum]

Warning- over tired, emotional mother on-line!

Nickers- congrats on house! I think the 4 mths farex package is just the older packaging. They are changing all the 'from 4 mths' to 'from 6mths' due the the new recommendation of exclusive BF/FF for 6 months. Pretty sure it is the same stuff.

Trish- Woot on the sleeping.

Me? Blergh. Lu has had temp for 2 days, peaked at 39.9 last night. Grizzly, sad, wont be put down. Has been BF'ing 2hrly for 48hrs. My nips hurt. Saw doc this am, just a virus and he told me to keep feeding her 2 hourly if she wants it to keep her hydrated. Can't wait till this bug is over, i will never whinge about her waking once or twice in the night again.....

So hanging out on the couch with dr phil today.....

[alz]

Hi Everyone,
Hope you are all doing well.
Sorry about the last time I was in. Big whinge fest but I am over it now.

Ethan has slept from 10.30 to 6 the last 2 nights which is good. I am really looking forward to droping the late night feed so I can get even more sleep. Yay.

Ethan is taking solids well now. He didn't like farex at all so I have been giving him vegies (which he loves). Last week the nurse told me that he needed farex for the iron and to mix it with his vegies. He noticed but now he takes it with pear or apple. The last two days he has had 2 meals a day. Fruit and farex in the morning and vegies at night so maybe that is why he is sleeping well. This morning he was a real guts and ate about 4 teaspoons of breaky but then didn't want much of his bottle. Can anyone tell me does it matter how much they drink now or should I just chill out and let him have what he wants? First timmer so not sure. Also how much solids should they have?

Anyway I'd better go as Ethan thinks that daddy's xbox is a great toy. I put him at the other side of the room but he just rolls until he gets to what he wants.

Talk to you all later.

[alz]

Hi Everyone,
Hope you are all doing well.
Sorry about the last time I was in. Big whinge fest but I am over it now.

Ethan has slept from 10.30 to 6 the last 2 nights which is good. I am really looking forward to droping the late night feed so I can get even more sleep. Yay.

Ethan is taking solids well now. He didn't like farex at all so I have been giving him vegies (which he loves). Last week the nurse told me that he needed farex for the iron and to mix it with his vegies. He noticed but now he takes it with pear or apple. The last two days he has had 2 meals a day. Fruit and farex in the morning and vegies at night so maybe that is why he is sleeping well. This morning he was a real guts and ate about 4 teaspoons of breaky but then didn't want much of his bottle. Can anyone tell me does it matter how much they drink now or should I just chill out and let him have what he wants? First timmer so not sure. Also how much solids should they have?

Anyway I'd better go as Ethan thinks that daddy's xbox is a great toy. I put him at the other side of the room but he just rolls until he gets to what he wants.

Talk to you all later.

[YoYo]

Hi everyone

Just tried Max on rice cereal. Hated it.... so much so that he was dry reaching and then chucked it up! Don't know if it was disgust or whether he was still full from the BF beforehand.... how long should you leave it to give solids after you have milk fed?

Sorry for lack of personals...will BBL

[nickers]

i would do it about 45-1hr after the last feedl? so not overly full but not eagerly hungry

[Saffi]

Hi all

Just back from the Solids Workshop and have a whole lot of information. Apparently bubs have way more tastebuds than adults so stuff that tastes blah to us wouldn't to babies. Anyway, learnt a lot and am ready to start putting it into practice. One thing they did say with the commercial food packaging is to add 2 months to whatever the label says. So if it says 4 months you should really be using it at 6 months etc. There are 2 different Farex types (one for 4 months and one for 6 months). I am not sure what the differences are.
DH came along too. Decided he wanted a family day and seeing that he will be introducing a lot of solids while he is looking after L was good for him to go.

At Mothers Group yesterday they said that we should be starting to get bubs to drink water from a cup. Apparently BF bubs do better with the straw cups. The no spill valves aren't recommended to start with. Going to buy a cup on the weekend.
Also talked about teething and that should start to brush his teeth with low fluoride paste from about 6 months. I think this is specific to Qld as we don't have fluoride in our water. Anyway, off to buy brushes and paste too.

Way to go all the bubs who are eating.
Way to go all the bubs who are doing great sleeps for their mums.

Night from hell here. L woke up screaming at midnight. Changed him and while doing that he pee'd on me! Anyway, gave him a full bottle and he slept until 4am. Then up again and fed him again. DH then got him up at 6.30am. Anyway, I was able to sleep in until 10am!

Trish - L weighed in at 7.59kg. When I plotted it he came in exactly on the 50th percentile. So happy with that.

Anyway, too excited with all the new info I have.

BBL

[Willow]

At Mothers Group yesterday they said that we should be starting to get bubs to drink water from a cup.

At our ABA meeting on Monday, they said you don't need to offer water to a b'fed baby this early...there's enough water in our milk. I gave it to DD at about this age though cause I was 'told' to. Dunno if I'd bother this time, one less thing to worry about! And yes, she had a straw first, then the 'sippy cup' (personal peeve - I HATE that term...so American to me...) much later.

Different with FF babies though, apparently they need the extra water.

Another interesting thing I learnt is that babies and young children shouldn't drink bottled water. There's something in the make up of it that's no good for them. Cooled, boiled tap water is best. A sip here and there for a bigger kid is no biggie but they shouldn't drink the whole thing. Interesting, I didn't know that....

[~Trish~]

Afternoon!

Well, I have tried a new day sleeping method on K! He has not been sleeping any more than 40 - 50 minutes during the day for a couple of weeks now and he is driving me nuts! I stumbled across a suggestion on another site when I was Googling something unrelated (must have been meant to be ). A mum said that she sneaks in just before the first 40 minute cycle is about to end and as soon as she hears stirring she pats her bub for around 30 seconds then sneaks back out. I just tried this before (although I patted for 60 seconds to be on the safe side!) and he has been asleep so far for an hour and 20 minutes!!! That's the first time he has napped that long in ages . I will definitely be trying that again, hopefully he will learn to work it out himself soon.

Ange - Oh no, poor Lu and you! It's awful when they're so sick. You must be feeling so exhausted. I hope you are resting up and not doing any housework or cooking. I hope Lu gets better really soon.

Saffi - The food workshop sounds like it was really interesting. WTG on Lachlan's weight!!! Your hard work has well and truly paid off!

Julia - What a bummer Max didn't like the rice cereal . What brand did you try? You could try putting some stewed pear or something else in with it. I usually give K his cereal around an hour after his b'feed.

Alz - That's great Ethan loves his veggies! I'd try offering his bottle before his solids, that way you know he is getting enough. I don't know if there is a "correct" order, but if he's not taking all of his bottle it may be worth experimenting with switching the order around and offering bottle first, then solids. Sounds like he is going great

Nic - I've got no idea what the difference between the 4 month and 6 month cereals are. Maybe check the ingredients on the boxes? Sorry I'm no help!

Amber - I hope you had a nice yoga session this morning, it sounds so relaxing!

ETA Willow - Do you remember when they are meant to start having water? I completely forget! I wonder if the bottled water thing is because the water has no flouride in it?

[ninja_turtle]

i hate it when you type a big reply and the server packs a carp. not cool.

i'm ratty anyway now because since my last attempt, Captain Boogedy has driven me round the twist. I know it's the teething dance but he's been whinging, rubbing his face in the carpet, crying and pork-chopping all afternoon. i dosed him on chamomilla put him to bed again. poor kid. i love his little monkey face but he sure knows how to pushy my buttons.

ange - hang in there girlie. the guni must be deriving massive comfort from hanging off you, so you're doing a great job. permission granted to hang out with Dr P and eat more!

julia - i found that if i tried boob & cereal in one hit it was hurl central. i agree about the 45m to 1hr after thing.

he tried pear this morning and looked very undecided about the whole thing. he licked a pear baton and turfed it, then gingerly nibbled at EBM & pear puree. not convinced is he. his face was priceless. it was that, 'hmmm... this is... yucky but... kinda nice... wait... what is it?'

i'm trying to decide whether his ratty afternoon is about the pears or whether it's just tired and teething. *shrug*

i hate being in a bad mood. it's so carp.

[Willow]

Well that's what we were asking Trish - when do they need water? Apparently BF babies don't until much later on...say 9-12 months, even later depending on how much they're feeding. One mum there with older kids (and an ABA counsellor) said her babies never had it . Apparently breast milk will adjust to suit the babies needs and if a baby is thirsty, they will take the watery foremilk and leave the rest, just to quench their thirst.

With DD I offered water when she was on about 2 meals a day of solids. Having said that, when I think back, she barely touched it till she was much older.

WTG on the nap! I have heard of that technique actually. It was suggested to me with DD but I can't remember if we had any success with it. L had one great sleep today, over 2 hours but then only about an hour this arvo. When I went in to try to resettle him he wouldn't resettle. It was only when I went in to get him up that I realised his music had stopped - it spooks him if he wakes up to silence!

[Saffi]

The recommendation about starting to drink from a cup was more to get them used to drinking from a cup rather than the fluid in it.

Trish - interesting tip. Might need to give that a go.

[Willow]

The recommendation about starting to drink from a cup was more to get them used to drinking from a cup rather than the fluid in it.

Ahhhh. Yeah, that makes sense...

[~Trish~]

I haven't had to change a pooey nappy in ages because K has decided the bath is a great place to relieve himself LOL! Almost every night he has done one in the bath, ick!

Quite sadly I'm off to bed now...I'm paying off some sleep debt. Night all!

[Willow]

Quite sadly I'm off to bed now...I'm paying off some sleep debt.

Not sad at all, I'm envious as hell! Just spent the last 15 mins trying to resettle a screaming L. NO idea what that was about but he's back asleep...hopefully till at least 10pm.

[Junglemum]

I'm thinking now of pulling all her teeth out and getting a set of false ones. maaaaan. hope this doesn't happen for every tooth. fever gone now. but i think her sleep rhythm is all up the creek. how do i get those long stretched of sleep back?
Decided at 2am one kid was enough. feeling a little less antsy this morning.

Viv- Thanks for the cheer. Had arvo with phil and oprah, Lu sleeping on my chest. Want to see 'into the wild' now. i hears ya loud and clear on the pork-chopping! i know they are in pain and all, but sheesh, they know how to drive a mother round the twist.

Lu drinks out of a 'sippy cup', Come to think of it, i hate that word a bit too Trish, although i hate alot of things this morning. She is breast fed and had no probs drinking from it.


Kieran- nice work on the bath bomb! i needed a laugh this morn!

[ninja_turtle]

move over Lush! K's new brand of bath bomb will be the winner this Mother's Day... tee hee *eww*

we had the 'i won't go to bed' thing last night. he usually bounces out in about 2.5 minutes with his music... try 15 minutes... hit the cot... cry.... 15 minutes... on and on. changing of the guard to DH etc. not happening. he was doing this little sad rhythmic cry. poor little lambie. i gave him baby pan and boob and that was the end of that episode...

by the time he'd run his course his 6.30 bed time had blown out to 8.20. then we had the midnight and 3.40 wakings, ending in me sleeping with him on the couch again, then at 5am *ping* ... "i'm up mummy!!"

so then he'd played until our breakfast was ready then cracked it again.

teething is so carp.

i also think that he gets sheet shock too, now that the weather is cold. we'd overcome that in summer by having him on a towel. now i'm going to have to use a hot pack or something to warm his bed in advance.

[Willow]

Viv, Ange - I'm hearin' you loud and clear ladies...carp night here too...although I can't even blame teething cause I can't see a damn thing yet....grrr....

Went to bed at 6pm, woke at 7.40 screaming, ended up feeding him again, slept till about 9.30pm, awake again, patted him back to sleep, ended up dream feeding him at 10.20pm so I could go to bed, then he slept till 1.44am (I gotta stop looking at the clock...) then slept through till 5.30am, fed then back down till 7.30am.

Blaaaaaahhhh....

He's sleeping now and DD at preschool so I'm off for a nana nap...

[YoYo]

Well, I have just decided that Max isn't teething anymore! He is still megga whingy, but he is also a day sleep machine at the moment so I'm putting it down to that. I need to stop fishing around in his mouth to see if there is anything popped through...it was making me CRAZY!

Happy to say that he slept through from 10:30pm (dreamy feed) till 6:30am. SWEET! and not even gone 8am and he's back in bed. Sorry to those out there who had shocker nights. Viv you are really copping it!

Viv to avoid 'sheet shock' I bought some flanelette sheets, so much nicer to put him down on, I want to jump in his cot with him.....!

OMG - Max has done two poo explosions in the bath recently too...spooky! He seems to enjoy it as well....gross.

I too have started to introduce the good ol 'sippy' cup (agree...carp word!) he does drink out of it, but would rather chew on it.

Well BBL it's nappy wash day