Hi everyone,
Nicola - glad you've got the NZ made formula ;-) Sounds like its suiting Indi which is great. We found that one a little hard to mix and it fluffs up a lot - but smells nicer than some other brands. I'm wondering whether to let Tadhg cry it out, but tending to agree with your thinking, surely they only cry because something is wrong - even if its overtired and they need help to sleep. So i think i will try and stick with settling him when he wakes (which is a lot in the day) and soon he'll work it out - hopefully! The annoying thing is no-one else can settle him so if i go out his Dad tends to get crying and more crying
BoB and others - the whole catnapping thing seems to be a common phase when babies start waking in their lighter sleep cycles. We are going through the same - thank goodness for good night sleeps! I think the afternoon crying is because they get so overtired from not sleeping in the day - its horrible huh Hoping its a phase! I hate to tell you the 2nd immunisations were a bit worse than the first, Tadhg really cried - but only for 1-2 minutes (compared with about 30 seconds last time) and he got a big lump in his leg which is apparently a common reaction. But still not all that bad!
re TV's - i've been avoiding letting Tadhg look at it, thinking it wasnt good for him somehow - but now i did a quick look on the net, i'm not sure its bad for them other than not providing as much learning skills as other options.
Taurean - how is Izzy's sleeping now? What a bummer losing the all night sleeps again - just when you got used to it! Tadhg seems to have skipped the 3 month growth spurt, or is going to have it a bit later as all seems relatively normal at the moment. He could do with a growth spurt to be honest! Just changing to infant nappies today, and only because i've run out of newborn size! Looking forward to a weigh in next Tuesday, but i don't think he'll be much above 5kg. Bummer about the swimming - i didn't realise you handed her over for it, mostly in NZ you stay with your bub I think. Tadhg would most likely cry too i think, he gets scared in big noisy spaces, like coffee group / out and about.
I'm doing my head in with this not-sleeping business. It's really confusing. Tadhg now wont sleep when i'm out shopping or in the car, although i think he did sleep for one car trip today. After a 10 minute nap he thinks he's done. Half the time we end up with a crying baby, and the other half a smiling giggling one pulling his hands out of my attempt to swaddle to suck his thumb. What do you do if your baby lies in his cot for an hour cooing and looking around!? It's very weird - but i know he has to be tired because he has hardly slept today. Anyway - just being thankful that 'so far' today has not been a crying day and he should still go to bed at 7:30!
What do others think about crying it out - and also having a dummy to go to sleep?
Kelly
Kelly - Tadhg sounds exactly like Ethan in the sleep department. I'm forever trying to settle him during the day and then when I finally do get him to sleep he is awake again after only 20mins. Does my head in some days! He has also stopped sleeping in the car and the pram is hit and miss. I'm really hoping this is just a phase that he grows out of very soon! Although he has been a bit more unsettled than usual for the last couple of days (and feeding more!) so maybe this is the 12 week growth spurt??!! I won't leave him to cry it out, I just can't bring myself to do it. I'd probably end up in a teary mess too! He does have a dummy but lately he keeps knocking it out of his mouth with his hands as he rubs his eyes/face when he is trying to sleep. I gave up wrapping him a while ago as he hates it and just screams lol!
Nicola - good luck with the move.
Pooley - glad you managed to get some child free time. I'm going out Christmas shopping this weekend with my sister and my mum and leaving the kids at home. I really need some child free time at the moment, I just hope that Ethan will be a good boy and sleep for his dad as he usually only settles with me. Fingers crossed or else I guess it will only be a short shopping trip.
Bob - Ethan is in 00 growsuits now but wears 000 t-shirts, shorts and pants.
Arrggghhh there he goes again, have a good day all
Pooley - I meant with the bottled water that you can't just use it without boiling it like normal water. Purified isn't sterile IYKWIM. Yay that you got to have a night out! Makes you feel human again!
Nicola - Good luck in Esk....i bet it is hot out there! I saw on the news the other night that Dalby has run out of water - bit scary!
Kelly - V is the same in that I am sometimes the only one who can console her....I went t an appointment a couple of weeks ago and chose not to take her as I wanted DH to see what i go through every day........and yes i came home to him frantically bouncing on the pilates ball, with a boggle eyed Violet and a stressed out father! I was only gone about 40 minutes! Apparently she cried for about 35 of those! He has been more understanding ever since!
I know what you mean about the TV...(and apparently more than 1hour a day at this age is bad for their eyes) but V is usually awake from about 6am till 7.30pm on average with maybe 2 half hour sleeps in the day. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH HER FOR THIS LONG! We play with toys, sing songs, read stories, have tummy time, have naked time...she won't go in the pram or sling so that restricts me to the house usually. What else is everyone else doing?......I can't sing to her for 15 hours a day!
I can't help you with the crying and dummy....V goes to sleep on the boob...thats how i get her to sleep every time, i could count on 2 fingers the amount of times i have rocked her to sleep. If i put her down awake she can't get herself to sleep. What if you let T suck his thumb would he get himself to sleep?
Sangie....I feel like there are a lot of us battling with the non-sleeping babies! Maybe its a 12 week thing. Oh for the early days........!!! I must admit though, Violet hardly ever cries, and i feed consistently through the witching hours so she never cries then....god help me when i have a 2nd baby and don't have the time to breastfeed all day....i won't have a clue what to do!
Taurean - we posted at the same time. I must say i am envious of yours and Izzys routine. I am quite willing to swap babies!
I hear what you are saying about trying to get them back to sleep after a catnap - in theory it sounds great - Violet won't do it -once her eyes are open she is up and ready for another 4 hour play session!
Thats a shame she hasn't put on much more weight - but if the time comes for you to switch to formula, you can be proud that you fought a tough battle. I'll give you A++++ for sheer willingness and determination.....never doubt yourself on that much. And all babies are different, so your next one not necessarily will have the same outcome
.....still in awe of your daily sleeping schedule!
Nicole All the best with the move to Esk. Hope its not too hot there compared to Brissy Pleased the new formular is working well too.
Re the sleeping out and about *Puts hand up* Im in that camp too. Jackson almost refuses to sleep in his pram or carseat nowadays. And yep when he's had 10 minutes he thinks its wake time again !!! We travel to NZ in 2 weeks so I hope he copes ok with the flight I find that when were out and he's in the pram wrapping him helps him to nod off. But its usually murphy's law 5 minutes before we want to leave so we either end up staying longer or disrupting him again. Gah cant win!!!
We did the CIO and I hated every minute of it. I cried through the whole hour it went on. We have now gone back to resettling him every 2 - 5 minutes or so depending on if he is crying or grizzling. If he is grizzling we leave him to drift off, but crying we go in.
Taurean Jackson has his biggest sleep in the morning too. He will sleep 3 hours usually and its great. Its his best sleep on the day. Your routine is great. We used to have a routine almost the same as yours until Jackson decided to start catnapping. Gawd, I cant wait to have my old baby and routine days back. Are you BFing??
BOB - Mine has rolled quite a few times from belly to back, she is almost there going from back to belly...she gets onto her side but goes back again.....what about J is he rolling?
Bob - no rolling here yet. He tries to roll from his tummy onto his back but his arm gets in the way and he hasn't figured out that he needs to move it.
Sanchez - yep its so much harder when you have a toddler as well. I feel like such a bad mum this week as I just haven't been able to spend as much time with DD as I would like. I feel like I'm constantly trying to settle Ethan and poor DD is missing out on one-on-one time with me. Thank god its friday and I'll have DH for the next couple of days to help out.
Taurean - wow sounds like Izzy is being such a good bub for you! I would never get Ethan to have a 3 hour sleep during the day as he still feeds every 3 hours. He does have one 4 hour stretch in the middle of the day so it would be good if I could get him to sleep for at least 2 hours then. I've tried resettling but like little Violet he just flings his eyes open and is awake and no amount of settling seems to work?! Ah well I will keep trying lol! I'm doing the Wii sports active 30 day challenge in the hope of losing some tummy flab, I'm so sick of my flabby bits and I want them gone!!!!
Ethan had a brilliant night last night. He slept from 8.30pm to 7am! Then he went back down at 8.30am for a cat nap. Then after a screaming session I managed to get him back down at 9am and he's still asleep. Fingers crossed we have a better day today!
I hope everyone is well. We are both really well, except my stupid upper back and neck which is still giving me hell
There's been lots of chatting about day sleeps, cat napping and crying so I thought I'd put in my two cents worth and tell you where we are out now and what we are doing.
Izzy is sleeping roughly 10 hours a night, straight through most of the time. She's woken at 3am for a feed 4 nights in the past 2 weeks and after our meeting with the maternal health nurse today, it looks like she's just trying to increase my supply - will elaborate on that later. Other than those random 3am feeds, she is sleeping straight through generally from 7pm-5am or 8pm - 6am. It's brilliant.
Day sleeps are fantastic for us now too. Izzy generally sleeps for 3 hours in the morning then has another couple of hours in the afternoon. If we are out in the afternoon (I'm avoiding going out in the mornings now as her routine is working well), she tends to sleep in the car or pram - generally another 1-2 hours all up. I learnt quite a lot from our day stay at sleep school (and regained my confidence with knowing her cries) and I'm using a lot of the techinques we learnt there to settle Izzy during the day. It's working beautifully.
We work on a 1.5-2 hour awake time schedule when we are at home and out. Izzy wakes up around 6ish say, has a feed (generally takes about 45 minutes) then it's play time - a mixture of play gym, rocker, reading a book with me, tummy time and chatting. I check her for tired signs around 1.5 hours after she's woken and start getting her ready for bed. I swaddle her and pop her dummy in and give her a quick cuddle and rock in our rocking chair in her nursery. After a few minutes I pop her in her hammock and gently rock and bounce her to sleep. Sometimes there is no fuss and she goes straight to sleep, other times I have to spend 10 minutes rocking her and putting her dummy back in. She often protests but I now know it's just her tired protesting cry and it doesn't last long at all. I don't leave the room until she has nodded off. If she stirs during her nap (ie cries) I go in and bounce/rock the hammock or give her the dummy if I think she needs it. I only get her up if she is really unsettled or if she is due for a feed and appears ready to get up. I repeat the whole process after her next feed.
When we are out I work on the same schedule. It doens't work quite as well while we're out as there is more going on (ie more for her to sticky beak at!) and she is interrupted ie in and out of the car, pram, shops, etc. I still stick to it though and often she will nod off in the car or the pram. I always take my Bubba Moe sling with me everywhere as if she won't settle in the pram, I pop her in the sling and she nods off without fail if she's due for a sleep.
Today we had to see the health nurse at 9.30am so I put her to bed at 7.45am and transferred her to the pram at 9.15 and walked to our appointment. So she got almost 2 hours sleep. When we got back I gave her a quick feed (she had been awake for 1.5 hours), swaddled her and popped her into bed. She was asleep straight away and has been down for 1.5 hours now.
Bedtime is always around 7 (well that is our goal) so I alter the time frame and feeds later in the day to fit with that. Izzy gets a bit grumpy around 5ish as she knows it's wind down time to bed. If she's grumpy we take her for a walk and that keeps her happy. Around 6 we give her a bath then I feed her straight after that. We pop her in her Grobag then give her a formula top up (she'll have anywhere from 30ml to 160ml as my supply is low around then) then put her in the cot for the night. She goes down without any fuss.
So that's how we do it and it really does work well. The sling is my saviour if she won't settle while we are out and about - highly recommend one of these if you don't have one already. If you can afford a hammock, I highly recommend them too. It works a treat.
I hope that helps someone! One thing I did learn about catnapping at sleep school is often babies can be resettled after a catnap as they are often just coming out of their sleep cycle and need a little help to nod back off again. That definitely works for Izzy when she stirs after 45 minutes.
CC/CIO - I'm not a fan of it at all. Babies only cry to communicate with us and if we don't respond to their cries, then how are they supposed to trust us? Another thing I learnt at sleep school was that most babies need help to get to sleep and they will stir at the end of their sleep cycle, just like adults. The only difference with adults is that we know how to get back to sleep, babies have to learn that. Also remember, as adults we have restless nights when we struggle to sleep or we may sleep lightly, so we have to expect that babies will be the same, IYKWIM.
I'm thrilled with the routine Izzy has gotten herself into (I haven't forced it at all, it's all her own doing) and feel so much more relaxed now as I can predict her a little more and plan our days a little better.
Oh, before I stop babbling, Izzy was weighed and measured today. She hasn't gained much weight (she's only 4.74kg but has grown 9cm since birth though) so I need to try to sneak in a couple more feeds during the day when she's awake. That's the downside of a good day sleeper! LOL. I'm going to give her more formula top ups too from now on and I'm thinking of weaning once my last lot of medication runs out for my supply and vasospasm (in my nipples). Breastfeeding has been a hard slog and I'm ready to switch to formula if she doesn't gain much within the next couple of weeks.
Well I'm off now to jump on the Wii Fit before missy wakes up! Ciao!
PS: Losec has done wonders for Izzy's silent reflux too. I seriously have a different baby these days!
PPS: I posted my birth story in the 'Birth Stories' thread for anyone interested in reading it.
Last edited by Taurean; December 3rd, 2009 at 02:36 PM.
I have been reading but too busy to post. Just that time of the year I guess...oh, and looking after a baby
Kelly - so glad my post on our routine helped! It is interesting to hear how other mums are doing things and take what you like from all the bits of information. The 1.5-2 hour awake time thing really works for us. How cute are the rolling attempts?! Izzy has been doing that for the past couple of weeks and she's managed to roll onto her back from tummy time but that's it. She does fling her self around A LOT these days. I've got quite the little rigggle pot on my hands!
Interesting thought about giving top ups and bubs becoming a snacker. I hadn't thought of that but you could well be onto something there I'm pretty sure my supply has dropped off as Izzy dropped 2 feeds within a week as she started sleeping 10 hours overnight AND sleeping lots during the day so she was only getting 4 feeds a day . I've been giving her extra BF's where I can to try and boost my supply but we have been giving her formula top ups too. She seems to feed well still but also guzzles the top ups. I have expressed a few times in the past few weeks and although I know Izzy can get more out than a breast pump, the amounts have been a lot less than they use to be. I'll continue to BF but I think I might have to continue with the top ups. I'm a bit worried about snacking though now, that's a reallky good point! Oh well, if that ends up being the case I think I'll just wean her. I'll miss the bonding with BF but not all the other worries! LOL.
Sangie - yay for the 2.5 hour day sleep!! Did he do a repeat performance for you? Izzy is a real chatterbox (not unlike her mum!) and it cracks us up listening to her babble onto anything she thinks will listen to her. I find myself always saying 'oh, is that right?' all the time. I just love the baby talk
Sanchez - PMSL!!! I totally understand though and I *think* it's normal. What, with those big gapping holes we all have now. Ha ha ha! Flappin' in the breeze...charming. Sorry, I just brought that conversation to a whole new level didn't I ? I do have the same issue at the pool as you and I seem to do a lot more - TMI - fanny farts. I guess it will eventually bounce back into shape...maybe
I'm looking at joining DH on a business trip to Singapore and KL within the next couple of weeks. Can you give me some tips on packing and travelling with a baby?! I'm so scared about doing it and wonder how Iz will go (ie is it really worth all the hassle???) but would really like to go. We did so much travelling before we were parents and I really miss it. Any advice would be great!
Art - A is so much more advanced than Izzy! Are you sure you didn't secrely pop her out a month earlier?! We inherrited the Fisher Price Jumperoo from DH's cousin and I can't wait to get Izzy in it. She's finally get a bit more neck control and is really strong in her legs and constantly wanting to stand now so hopefully she'll be ready for it soon. It looks like so much fun!
Pooley - how's little F going? I saw on FB that you thought he may be teething. Is he? So sorry to hear about you dog too. So sad. It's horrible when you lose a pet, they are just part of the family.
PB - hi! How are you?!
BoB - how are you too hon?
Us - going really well and really, really enjoying motherhood now. I'm so glad to have the first 3 months behind us. Don't get me wrong, I did love bits of it but the breastfeeding issues and silent reflux made the ride very bumpy indeed. I finally feel human again and we are returning to a somewhat normal life ie we are actually going out in the evenings again now. Woohoo!
Izzy is absolutely adorable, if I do say so myself She is such a placid, happy and smiley little girl. Everyone always comments on how smiley she is, we love it. She's still sleeping really well at night (although our day started at 4.30am today as we had her out last night so I stuffed up her routine) and getting in some great day sleeps. She usually does 3 hours in the morning (sometimes it's in one block, with a couple of bounces of her hammock in between to resettle her, and sometimes in two naps) and a couple in the afternoon. I tend to go out in the afternoon if we have plans so I can be pretty sure she gets at least one good sleep in for the day. She does tend to sleep in the car if we are out though and in the pram if it's moving so she gets several catnaps in the arvo. It's working well and it means I can have some sort of a life again.
We actually went out to lunch yesterday for a friends birthday and then we met another group of friends at Little Creatures Brewery (our old stomping ground) in Freo later in the afternoon for drinks. All up we were out from 1 - 7.30pm! Besides the fact that I only had 1.5 wines (oh, and I was feeding and nursing a baby!), it felt like the good old days! She did have to sleep in the sling but that was fine with me. It was just so nice to be out doing things I love again.
Izzy is a real chatterbox and really getting into playtime now. She loves lying on her playmat and tugging at the rings hanging from it and whacking the other toys. She's learnt to wriggle backwards too which is so cute but a bit scary as she is well and truly on the move! It started a couple of weeks ago when I put her down to tidy up the kitchen and when I checked on her, I found she'd done a 180 degree turn! New moves were duely noted and mental note to self was 'do not leave baby unattended any more'! I cannot believe she's more or less mobile at 3 months! Scary.
Iz has also found her legs in the past few days and loves to stand up while she's in your lap. There are lots of 'up/down' actions happening now and she thinks it's a right hoot. She also loves when we sing 'If you're happy and you know it clap your hands' and smiles like mad and throws in a few giggles for good measure. It is so damn cute!
We've been swimming again with the girls from mothers group but at the local pool at our own pace and the babies loved it, even Izzy. We are meeting again tomorrow for another dip. Really looking forward to it.
Well I might get back into wrapping Christmas pressies. I wasn't really in the mood for Christmas this year, it all just seemed too hard with a baby, but now all the shopping is done and the decorations are up, I'm really looking forward to it. I know Izzy won't give two hoots about it but it'll still be so much fun from now on.
Big hugs to all!
Last edited by Taurean; December 13th, 2009 at 10:24 AM.
Ok girls - apparently my "pool" problem is normal.....PHEW!
I had an appointment with my postnate physio and i told her about it and yeah she said in time it will sort itself out. ***TMI ***In other not so good news it appears i have nerve damage inside my vag all on one side, the physio was prodding the bone inside me and i have lost all feeling on one side, and i have really weak pelvic floors on that one side. Nothing could have prevented it - just happens. but i am on a waiting list to get a gizmo that goes up my vag and is like a car battery and will shock my muscles into life! (apparently!!!). She said i am nowhere near being the worst person with problems. Made me feel better!
In other news I am having no luck at trying to get this extra weight off - I am going to the gym and eating well....and it continues to stay....disappointing.
And in other horror news....Violet has started to lose her hair - very upsetting, her hair is her personality...she has so much of it...seems to be coming off the back and sides - not the top. I gave her panadol for the first time the other night although i think majority of it dribbled out - was really grizzly and pulling her ears and nashing her gums - think her teeth were having an up day. I hear they go up and down for ages before they break the skin.
Taurean - I would definately travel honey. Strap on a Baby Bjorn and off you go. Singapore being a 1st world country you would have no problems. Few outfits, some nappies and your good to roll.....I reckon if you are giving top ups just buy the S26 in the popper boxes so you don't have to mix with water and it would be easy!
Anyhoo...have to go to sleep....will write more later...sorry this post has been all about me!
Just sticking my nose in to say,.. "Im still alive"! I have been busy with family christmas things... Its that time of year! I have been reading your posts when I get a chance!
I will update you on Ava another post, but have to say she is still slow on the rolling dept. Although thats probably a good thing! Less likely to roll off the change table.
Hope you are all as well as to be expected. I'm off to clean house. Got the mums group coming around this arvo. Been baking up a storm for them, but I really have to mop the kitchen floor. Its disgusting!
Girls.....does anybodies baby keep grabbing their hair behind their head and ears? Violet has started doing it and does it a lot and i don't know what it means. She sometimes does it quite aggresively.....i googled it and it seems to be common with tiredness, but V does itall day long......any ideas?
Hi, everyone. We're still alive after a shocking week with Frazer. All I can say is thank god DH is on 6 weeks holidays or I woulda lost the plot that's for sure!!
We first thought Frazer was teething, the drooling, chomping down on everything and anything, slight cough and felt a tad warm. Then the histerical "pain" crying started. Was unlike any noise I have ever heard come out of him. He wasn't feeding properly, and everytime he woke up he'd scream and take ages to settle him down, we started to try the Panadol and Hylands teething tablets, (which are fantastic btw, has helped sooo much with the drooling) Bonjella but after a horrendous weekend (which included my brothers 30th b'day party) we decided to go to the docs. She diagnosed oral thrush which I think Taurean, Izzy had a while back??
So after a couple of terrible nights and 2 full days of medication he is slowly getting back to his normal self. You could tell he was definately not himself and just miserable. Have been pretty much house ridden since Sunday as have been to scared to go out with him. We ordered an amber necklace for him from Amberbebe.com which is a natural alternative to relieve some of the teething symptoms so am looking forward to that coming as I think that is starting as well, which probably didn't help on top of the thrush.
Sanchez- Sorry can't help with the hair thing, Frazer doesn't have enough to grab on to, but will find any blanket or spew rag to hold on to behind his head if he is lying down. Maybe ask a CHN? Sorry to hear the news about your lady bits, nice to be reassured by the physio though. These are times when I feel lucky that Frazer was too big to come out the right entrance. lol
Anyways, hope that has explained why I have been MIA. DH was lucky enough to catch Frazer rolling over tonight. I have seen him do it a couple of times but DH kept missing it.
We made the move to Esk..yes it is hot here but its a dry heat. We have rainwater hooked up to the laundry and toilets and it hasnt rained much but apparently when the tank gets to a certain level it tops up with town water which is from Somerset Dam..I think. I constantly have to think about our water usage..on top of other things.
Indigo is doing well I havnt had her weighed etc since her 2mnth check up so it will interesting to see how much she weighs. My sister had her first baby and a girl last sunday so Indigo will have a cousin close in age. No rolling yet but lots of cooing, smiling and touching things and she even pushed her dummy back in the other day when it fell out. I have just bought a Bumbo again..as I sold the last one.
It doesnt feel like xmas to me so Im hoping that changes next week!! The boys have got a Buzz Lightyear toy each and Indigo has got her 1st cabbage patch fairy doll amongst other things lol
Thanks for that Olive. We got the safety rundown from the nice man at Kidsafe WA when he checked our carseat. I hadn't thought about how a baby would be thrown around in an accident if they were facing forward too early. There is a very sad And frightening clip on You Tube too. Pooley, you might want to have a look and rethink your decision to turn Frazer around. I really didn't see the problem until We had our seat checked. I was quite shocked. We'll be keeping Izzy rear facing for as long as possible.
I appreciate the information but with Frazer being very large (now wearing size 0!) @ 9 kgs+ he appears much more content facing forward. He has had a strong neck since birth and doesn't slump or drop his head facing forward. He is well ahead of all his milestones for his age and just looks so uncomfortable lying in his carseat facing backwards even without the insert, which was taken out when he was 8 weeks old. I think he is an exception in this circumstance.
Last edited by Pooley; December 29th, 2009 at 06:38 AM.
I hope everyone had a great first Christmas with our September babes.
We had our delayed Christmas yesterday with the IL's. DS was so cute with all the presents. Amelia was happy enough with a bit of crinkly wrapping paper.
We changed DS to front facing at about 5.5 months because although he was below the recommended weight we figured we were more likely to have an accident if we were always distracted by his screaming (bad traveller). Amelia isn't too bad so we will keep her rear facing in the capsule until she hits the 9kg limit, which will be around 6 months anyway since she is 7.1kg now.
I find it a bit odd that they are doing the cutoffs by age and not weight, because big bubbas like Frazer are the same size as lots of six month olds.
It is crazy to think that this time last year we were all finding out about our bubbas! I got my BFP on Christmas day, it was a great present.
Artechim- I agree with you about the cut offs by age. There is a bub in my mother's group that is about 5mths old but is another 2 kgs heavier than Frazer.
As I said, there are always exceptions to the rule and that is definitely the case with Frazer on this occasion. His length was also becoming an issue in the rear facing position as his feet were nearly touching the back of the seat. I think he is still in proportion but people have told me they think he is long. He is 68cms. What is everyone elses bubs measuring in at?
Last edited by Pooley; December 29th, 2009 at 07:15 AM.
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