Which 2-month vaccinations did you get?

[Lulu]

SJ, sit down with DH and you can both go over it all. Its never an easy decision to make - however you don't have to go purely one way or the other.

You can choose some. You can choose none, you can choose some AND delay them or choose ALL and delay them. Schmickers has posted his own schedule of vaccs around here somewhere, it's an excellent read. Put DH on the pc for a read too.

Either way, you should limit contact when your baby is young

[Arcadia]

It is a hard decision, but I just wanted to say something on delaying vaccs...

When bub is a newborn they have three types of antibodies - those they have from the placenta, those from your breastmilk and then their own. When a bub is about 8mths, the antibodies from the placenta begin to decline and bubs is left with their own antibodies and any received from breastmilk. This is the time many babies become sick, so the vaccination program has been designed to help boost the babies immune system before this 8 month period (this is how my GP explained it to me anyway).

I personally cannot see the benefit in delaying unless you're undecided and need more time, or you are prepared to really limit bub's contact with sick people/other children (which I know many people do).

As for there being more risk than benefit with vaccinations, I think that is entirely untrue. Vaccines have been proven to reduce the RISK of many deadly childhood diseases (although they are not 100% effective...but is anything?). They are effective enough though to warrant government subsidies, WHO recommendation and vaccine programs in almost all developed countries. In fact, if more children in undeveloped nations had access to the kinds of vaccines we do, they wouldn't be such a high morbidity/illness rate from diseases such as polio.

No vaccine is without risk...you are exposing your child to chemicals and a latent form of the disease...but the decision is whether you would rather risk the full blown disease or the possible side effect from a vaccine? Unfortunately there is little unbiased information our there (or so I found when researching), so the decision is a tough one!

GL

[Lulu]

As for there being more risk than benefit with vaccinations, I think that is entirely untrue. Vaccines have been proven to reduce the RISK of many deadly childhood diseases (although they are not 100% effective...but is anything?). They are effective enough though to warrant government subsidies, WHO recommendation and vaccine programs in almost all developed countries. In fact, if more children in undeveloped nations had access to the kinds of vaccines we do, they wouldn't be such a high morbidity/illness rate from diseases such as polio.

One of the problems here though (and a little bit of a tangent here), is that kids in underdeveloped countries are at higher risk to the side effects because their immune systems are already so low. A mass vacc in the Philippines blew he death rate for the same diseases through the roof.

The man who discovered the Polio vaccine readily admitted the cause of the cause in 100% (I think) of the cases sometime in the 60's was his own vaccine....

[Arcadia]

The man who discovered the Polio vaccine readily admitted the cause of the cause in 100% (I think) of the cases sometime in the 60's was his own vaccine....

This is interesting, and I believe there were at least two types of polio vaccinations in the 60's, one which went on to become the vaccine used today (an attenuated form of the disease developed by Sabin) and another which was stopped due to the higher risk of children developing the disease (produced by Salk, but stopped because 10 deaths were linked to the vaccine particles not being entirely "de-activated")

It seems to be the paradox with vaccinations that outbreaks of the disease can be connected to the vaccine. In most cases of this occurring in places like Indonesia, Nigeria and the Phillipines, this is due to a low population of vaccinated people, so that a vaxed child excretes the disease and then it is contracted by a non-vaxed child, where the disease mutates and is then active again.

This is why the idea of "herd immunity" is so important.

[LaDeeDa]

I'm taking Blue down tomorrow night to get all the vacc's ...

I feel sick about it but I just couldn't live with myself if he became ill because I didn' t get him vaccinated

[Arcadia]

I was the same...I still feel sick about the 4 mth ones coming up...

Good luck hun!

[Floweryfields]

I have done none for Harmony.

She is in no risk group, and in this epidemic, majority of people who have it are immunised, so didn't want all those chemicals in her for no reason. Thats just our choice.
I will consider vac later on, when her tiny body can handle all those poisons better. But for a b'fed koala baby, there was no need.

Hi do you mind if I ask what determines whether a child is in a no risk group?

[Lulu]

Hep B for example ausgirl. There was no way my child would be having sex or using IV drugs as a newborn.

Dee, its one of the reasons I won't bring the kids over all the time, Blue is cosy tucked up at home, but my kids are out in kinder etc all the time and could expose him to things that he wont be vacced for as yet. My choice is my choice but I wont be responsible for passing something on to a tiny baby, and stuffing up your choices - feel me?

ETA - Anna, it was the oral vaccine one. Gawd my brain is busted today....!

[Pretty Butterfly]

Schmickers has a post here somewhere about risk groups, as in unclean living, indigenous groups etc...

As Lulu said, what are the chances of my baby, in this day and age, of catching Hep B as a newborn?? Massively unlikely, so the risk is greater that she will have a reaction, than actually get Hep B. Same with Polio. Much higher chance of something in the vac harming her, than her getting Polio.

Japan has the highest health rate of babies in the world now, since they stopped all vac's till 2 years of age, which is where most sociability and cc kick in over there. So am considering following thier lead.

The US, having the highest Vac rate in the worl, has plummeted to the equivelent of a third world country since starting to mass Vac, with baby deaths. Food for thought.

[Lulu]

"Dutch scientists are struggling to identify the exact cause of an epidemic of whooping cough that has swept throughout the country despite vaccination rates as high as 96%. Similar problems are also being reported from Norway and Denmark." -British Medical Journal, 1998.

More food...

[Arcadia]

Japan has the highest health rate of babies in the world now, since they stopped all vac's till 2 years of age...The US, having the highest Vac rate in the worl, has plummeted to the equivelent of a third world country since starting to mass Vac, with baby deaths. Food for thought.

These statistics are also used to link vaccination and SIDS...I'm not sure how credible the research is, but here is the link if you're interested:
Consumer Health Articles: VACCINATIONS: PART I - MEDICAL RESEARCH ON SIDS AND EPIDEMICS

[LaDeeDa]

Lulu - thats fair enough babe I hadn't considered it that way.....

I have to be honest and don't judge me but I haven't researched Vacc's .... it has only been recently on BB that I've realised you have a choice .....

EEEEKKKK!!!! Don't wanna go tonight .... my poor little baby getting stuck

[Arcadia]

I should probably have added, that other studies have debunked this link between SIDS and Vax...

I know this is from a pro-vax website, but anyway...Does vaccination cause SIDS?

[Kitt3n]

a really good website to check out is avn (its got a dot org in it not a com, makes it a bit tricky to find if you google - so mods i hope that is OK to say that)... and its got au at the end!!

[Lulu]

I googled Dr Mary Megson (as per another thread) and it led me into some really good sites.

[Pretty Butterfly]

These statistics are based on research into vaccination and SIDS, with the deaths recorded reflecting children dying of SIDS rather than diseases...]

Hon the study I found wasn't about sids, it was purely on Vac.

" The same happened in Japan after 1975 when the vaccination age was lifted to 2 years, Japan zoomed from a much higher rate(17th place) to the lowest mortality rate (1st place) in the world"....." After the US mandated the DPT vaccine there was a doccumented 300% sustained increase in the reported cases of whooping cough, and it is still rising, to the point that, with mandatory vaccination in most states and 5 doses of the vaccine, it now occurs at a far higher rate then before the introduction of the vaccine."......."Indeed, despite the overall far superior living standards in other respects - better housing, clean water, nutrition, etc, the US infant mortality rates rival those of the third world. Significantly it went from 6th place in the world in the early fifties before mass vaccination started to 20th place by 1990, and it has since dropped several ranks further (down to 26th place a few years ago). Similarly, measles had virtually disappeared in Europe, UNTIL vaccination began, after which it rose again."

[Heaven]

ahhhhhh........ I still don't know what to do. I need more time! If I do decide to get them they'll be a bit late coz I'm not ready to get them yet.

For those who haven't vaccinated their kids what precautions do you have to take?? DD won't be in childcare or anything so that's ok but I can just see myself worrying all the time when ppl hold her if she's going to catch something!! I'm so petrified of whooping cough but also the vaccine for it!! Wow, this is a really tough decision.

Also, what do u do when u have older kids at school and then a baby, what if the older kids bring something home?

[Arcadia]

Sorry to hijack your thread Heaven

Hon the study I found wasn't about sids, it was purely on Vac.

Thanks for that Pretty Butterfly. I am confused when articles and research papers state "infant mortality" because I have read so many articles that discuss the positioning of the US and Japan in the ranking of infant mortality, but I am unsure if they mean mortality from everything, or just from vax related diseases? I was looking into vax and SIDS and came across those stats used to describe the rise in SIDS with mass vax (and the decrease in SIDS when Japan raised vax age). Bad research on my part to assume the paper I was reading had independent statistics (I have corrected my post accordingly...sorry if I have confused anyone!)

As far as I can tell this idea of ranking infant mortality comes from the UN world population prospects reports, which looks at all causes of infant death (the most common worldwide being pnemonia currently and then dehydration, but includes SIDS, infection, infanticide etc). Please correct me if I am wrong though...I am interested because so many vax articles cite infant mortality rates without necessarily isolating the rates of specific diseases.