1) Pregnancy, 99% of the time, is not an illness. There are times you need the doctor but in most pregnancies you could go from conception to birth all by yourself, without dates, without bullies, without being told what to do.


2) As for "growing balls the second time around." What are you thinking? That I just lie there and say "chop me up without permission please?" That I didn't fight tooth and nail? Just shut up before I get really upset about that.
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1) here here

2)Are you telling yourself to stop talking by saying shut up or the rest of us in this thread?

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Do you really believe that you couldnt get a better birth for yourself next time (if there was to be a next time)...Thats all i meant about women tending to have a more positive 2nd birth experience, that whilst you can fight tooth and nail the 1st time.....2nd time you know the system better to fight maybe not harder but more strategically? If the answer is no to that question than i guess that the system is stuffed and there is no hope in making it better for others........... That would be a really sad future for all ourselves, our sisters and daughters!