yeah I am really interested in hearing these stories about kids being present. We are toying with the idea of DD being present at this birth. She is going to be 2.5 yrs old. She seems quite empathetic when I am sick, but we would have a gf here of mine who will act as her doula and also provide extra support for DH. She is incredibly calm and laid back so I think that she will be great for both of them. If all else fails my gf can take her away, but I will also need to think about birth vids and books I think to prepare DD for this so any suggestions would be great.