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    Hi OP,



    I am with IVFA Westmead/Castle Hill. They think after about 2PM today the results will be available, but I think you are right, I should call by 3PM. I agree knowledge is power so I will ask for both readings (of course hoping that they register something at all).

    Just back from my bloods now, still no period so i think I am officially 1 day late. I think AF is on its way though....hopefully I am wrong.

    I will let you know my results this afternoon. Thanks for thinking of me

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    Hi Diamond,

    Don't place any importance on latestness. Girls like you and I have far too much information to use the old "late period" as a gauge.

    Also don't forget Pregnyl can cause a delay too. It takes 5-7 days to leave your system so count from your last shot, and that's when you can probably expect a period - if there's going to be one! For me, my last shot was the Tuesday and the period kicked in at 4am on the Friday - period was due on the Sunday to it was five days late.

    In any case: good luck, good luck, good luck!!!!! I'm very excited for you and I'll be checking from 3.00pm today to read your news.

    Something to think about: my husband and I talked last week about how we are so used to failure, the possibility of success is very hard to grasp. We have had something like 36 failures on this journey. Yet success IS a possibility for all of us. Did you know that Col Sanders of KFC fame tried to sell his fried chicken recipe to 1009 shops before he gave up and started his own business?

    I've been saying this is a numbers game. Sure hope this one is your number!

    :-)
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    Well OP,

    The results are negative. I am crushed, but trying to stay positive.

    I am not sure what to do now. The clinic has given me the option of another IUI cycle or and IVF cycle. And to be honest, to go through all of this with nothing at the end, I am really considering moving onto something else. Something with better odds in this awful numbers game.

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    Diamond,

    I am sending big hugs across the ether to you. I know how you feel. And you know I do.

    Try not to make any decisions today. It's far too an emotional day. Just be very kind to yourself and talk, talk, talk it out with your husband.

    I want to tell you I have friends who have had successful IUI. One has two beautiful daughters. The other has one. Another has a beautiful son. This process can be successful. It does work.

    I will try to do some research to see if I can find success figures. And we can mull over them together.

    But for now, eat your favourite food, drink your favourite drink. Watch your favourite movie. Snuggle up with your favourite guy. Everything will be alright.

    :-)
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    Cool IUI Success Rates

    Diamond,

    Here are some stats. They are old, but informative.

    IUI-donor cycles
    In 2004, in Australia and New Zealand, there were 3,170 cycles in which IUI using donated sperm (IUI-donor) was undertaken at fertility centres.
    Of IUI-donor cycles, 12.5% (396) resulted in a pregnancy and 9.7% (307) resulted in a live delivery.
    There were 24 (7.7%) IUI-donor cycles that resulted in a multiple gestation delivery.
    Of babies born to women who had an IUI-donor cycle, 15.5% were preterm (<37 weeks gestation).
    The average birthweight for babies born to women who had an IUI-donor cycle was 3,207 grams.
    The perinatal death rate for babies born to women who had an IUI-donor cycle was 11.7 deaths per 1,000 births.

    Earlier in this article they talked about IVF success rates. For women aged 23-24, the succes rate is 33%. For women 40-44 the rate is 7.1%.

    For me, IUI has a lightly better success rate than IVF. The only reason why we might switch is because we want to try ICSI again. And go into financial distress.


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    Thanks for your research OP. And you are right, I am feeling very emotional about all of this right now. I am frustrated and impatient, angry cause this month was very hard, and all for nothing! I know you understand what Im going through, despair at how much more is it going to take. Why is it taking so freakin long?

    I am starting to wonder if there is a problem with the quality of my eggs... This is something that can not be discovered until egg collection right? I know both hubby and I are leaning towards an IVF cycle, as the chance at a higher success rate is far more attractive than going through another IUI cycle to end in disappointment. But then again, what if the IVF cycle fails.... I dont think I could handle that...

    Oh OP, I need to stop the woe is me story.. How are things going on your end?

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    PG MENTIONED

    Ladies i just want to pop in and give you a little bit of hope. i know how truly devastating every failed attempt (or early) loss can be.

    i've noticed a couple of you mention going to IVF, and i want to say it's well worth the effort. we had five IUI attempts last year, then onto IVF. even though both fresh and frozen transfers weren't successful long term (one chemical pregnancy from three transfers), we were able to get confirmation that hubby's swimmers WERE able to get into the egg and fertilise them, so it gave us confidence that we could do this.

    while waiting for the IVF clinic to be "local" again (it's only here every few months seeing we live in the sticks) we jumped on the IUI bandwagon again this year, resulting in one chemical pregnancy in July, and the baby i'm growing now is from that second IUI. it's taken a lot of time, a lot of heartache and pain to get here, and the chances of success with IUI aren't as good as IVF simply because there is more chance - will egg and sperm meet, vs confirmation of a viable embryo being placed back - but it can and DOES work sometimes!

    good luck to you all

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    Diamond,

    I have to say that research put me in a serious spin. The odds for us a pretty freakin' bad. But for me the clear choice is IUI - 1.9% better chance.

    Re egg quality, the FSH fixes that. If I had the results you had this past month, I would make that mean there was a fertilisation, but no implantation. So I would take this as a major positive. I do think the virus you had wrecked your chances. As much as you have to remain hopeful when you're sick, I do think it tips the balance in the wrong direction for girls like us.

    My advice to you, before you go IVF, is to see a naturopath that specialises in fertility (if you haven't done this already). It's not cheap - they load you up with expensive vitamins (as you can see from my list last week) - but it IS cheaper than IVF, and you will learn a lot about your health as a result. If you want me to recommend someone, I will send you a private message.

    I think it's also worthwhile reading Francesca Naish's book, Natural Conception. Natural Fertility By Francesca Naish

    And you must remember: only 3 in 10 people take a baby home from IVF (and they don't say how many cycles it takes to get that result). Failure will be a characteristic of that treatment too. Imagine what it was like for us to spend $11K at IVF and get nothing. My God we were angry. The worst part was seeing four embryos die. It was hard not to point the finger at IVF for at least two of those deaths, and at ourselves for the other two.

    Take your time to recover from this cycle. Vent, vent vent. It reallyl is the only way to cope.

    My thoughts are with you.
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    Default IVF v IUI

    Diamond,

    I think you're onto a process that has good odds for a woman your age. The problem with being LTTTC is all the stuff that happened before starting fertility treatment - it makes every new failure even more poignant.

    :-S
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    BG thank you for your input. You were there for me at the end of my 1st IUI cycle and your advice really got me through. I know you have been through a hard ttc process and your success gives me, and all of us, hope.

    OP - thank you for your continued support also. In hindsight now I would tend to agree that my sickness last week ruined my chances, as I had absolutely no symptons whatsoever. I am faced now with making this decision, and quickly as today is Day 1. You have given me much food for thought and now I am definately in two minds. If you could recommend a natropath that would be helpful - and also please advise approx costs.

    I am off to weight up my options...

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    OP - we must have posted at the same time!!

    I believe IVFA has an official success rate of 45%. Please do not quote me though as I could be wrong. Previously, when I mentioned the nurse 1st suggested IVF at the beginning of my 2nd IUI cycle, she said with my age and condition (or lack thereof), that this figure of 45% will increase. Comparing this to 15-20% success rate with IUI, you can see why we ware leaning towards IVF.

    I think I will book an appt with IVFA to clarify this, and other questions raised such as my high prog rate, timing of this cycle etc. You are right though, 45% still leaves a 55% failure rate. This is potentially crushing given the emotional and physical rollarcoaster this stuff puts us through. I really feel for the pain you went through on your failed IVF cycle. You are a really strong person OP.

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    Well, you would not believe it. After umming and ahhing, the clinic told me I needed another appt with the Dr if i was considering an IVF cycle. They would not give me an appt until another 3 weeks! Which means I have to wait 3 weeks for the appt, then wait for my next period, then for Day 21 of that cycle until i can start! It might not even fall into this year! I cant sit on my hands for that long, doing nothing to help our situation! So, I have decided on another IUI cycle.

    What BS hey! I cant believe they would make me wait 3 weeks for an appt!! I do believe that IUI can work, and i think that my sickness last week really knocked me around.

    so i am not leaving you yet OP.... Hopefully we can support each other again through another cycle. And hopefully we will get our BFP!!!

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    Diamond,

    Sounds typical to me! :-) You might as well start at the beginning of the calendar year anyway, that way you get the full benefit of the safety net.

    We have bloods and ultrasound on Monday for a natural cycle. We suspect we'll get shut out in December because of the two week Xmas break. This drives me NUTS as December is the last chance for me to be holding a baby by my birthday (September) next year. We are formulating a radical plan for that period.

    But like you, we see the specialist on December 4. I'll be telling him a thing or two if he starts pedalling the IVF bandwagon.

    SO - lets just focus on being healthy, stayiing postive and bringing through some very excellent babies this month. Then IVF will be a moot point!

    :-D
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    I understand your impatience and frustration - i certainly hope they do not shut us out over xmas as well. I will be heartbroken at Xmas time if i am still not pregnant. It will be my 3rd xmas feeling a sense of emptiness and failure. And then the looming fear of how many more xmas' will be this way....I understand where you are coming from, I hope that this new cycle will bring you a baby in your arms before your next birthday.

    Thanks for you message, it was very informative. With this IUI cylce and waiting 3-4 wks for medicare to send the money back, I honestly dont know if I can find the cash for it. Isnt that crazy! I am also wondering about the benefits of acup.. this cost is not so damaging at first. Have you ventured down this path? I want to take a different approach this cycle, stay positive and do all that i can to bring me a positive result.

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    I have heard about the benefits of acupuncture and I upped our health insurance in January to cover this. Then I started looking around for a practitioner and I didn't find one that made feel confident. I asked a few if they treated infertility and they just looked at me blankly.

    That being said, there's one or two practitioners advertising themselves as infertility acupuncturists with accompanying crazy prices.

    I've heard one report of a friend of a friend doing acupuncture the day before her IVF transfer, and the transfer being successful. The way I understand it, it's about effective blood flow to the uterus. My chiropractor also said chiro helped with this.

    In the end, my opinion is: the people spawning kids left right and centre in Mount Druitt don't get acupuncture. They don't get chiro. They don't stop drinking or smoking. They do what they want and sprout babies without giving it a second thought. So, I've chosen not to go for acupuncture. It just seems like one more straw to grasp at and I just don't want to be that depserate (any more).

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    Diamond,

    I know what you mean about Christmas. It is a particularly difficult time of the year for girls like us. This is also our third Xmas with no baby in our arms, and no hope of having one in our arms for next Xmas either.

    It makes the prospect of all Christmases to come seem very bleak. Infertility itself makes the future seem bleak. All the plans we have for the future revolve around having children, being parents, hopefully being Grandparents one day. We bought a car two years ago with four doors to put our kids in. We chose our apartment because the yard was safe for kids. There is a day care centre across the road. There are many schools in walking distance of our house. To think these choices we've made and continue to make are in vain is very painful.

    But we know for sure we are not the only people to feel this way. It's a small consolation. Over our bed we have the word "believe" cut out in 2d and fixed to the wall. It's all we can do. Just keep believing.

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    Ha ha - you make me laugh. Yes, the Mt Druitt types that seem to fall pregnant at the drop of a hat, with a poor diet, poor lifestyle, smoking, drinking, the whole lot! How is it that we have to try so hard, jump hoops left right and centre and still end up empty handed. Its situations like this that make me ponder, maybe it is stress, maybe we are trying too hard, and thats where i think stress relief methods, such as acupunture, can play its part.

    I have read the threads on here noting that acupunture at time of transfer improves success rates. I tried it once, at the beginning of my 1st IUI cycle, and it really didnt do too much for me. It could simply be just taking an hour out to lie there and do nothing and have the same effect. As you know i did get a positive that cycle, but who can tell if it was the acup that helped. Thanks for your opinion, I get that at some point we need to draw a line in the sand and say, no! Im not going to do everything that allegedly helps infertility.

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    Hi OP,

    Just a quick note to wish you good luck today for your bloods and ultrasound. Hopefully there will be a couple of nice big fat follies there.

    Me - I have just start my fsh shots again. Day one yesterday. So I wont be off for bloods until friday this week.

    I did some reading over the weekend, and learnt that some people take small doses of asprin to assist blood flow, and help with implantation. Have you heard of this? And what are your thoughts? I will ask the nurses at my clinic on friday, as I think our problem is failing to implant.

    Hope all goes well for you today...

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