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    Michelle71, you are not a sook!!! I don't know how you give someone else a jab let alone yourself!!!!!!!! I'm fine and thanks for asking. AF is due in a day or so and my slight tummy pains and frequent trips to the loo tell me she will be here again for sure.
    On a positive note, the results from my day 21 progesterone test point towards me having ovulated. I had a level of 26.31 on day 22 and the DR. said that was fine and said it was indicative of me having ovulated this cycle. So at least I can be sure that is happening as all the other signs point that way too (EWCM, temp jump, positive OPK'S). So we will keep going and hope for the best.

    Happy trying guys,
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    Debbie - I hope you are wrong about AF but at least you have the positive of ovulating this cycle.

    Deb - how are you doing??

    Me - faint line on OPK and my CM seems to have vanished into the ether!?! I doubt I could have ovulated early (well this early anyway) so I am hoping we haven't missed the eggy. DH and I should be able to get some time together tonight so hopefully all is not lost.

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    Hi everyone,
    I haven't posted recently, it's been two weeks on Monday since D&C and I've been trying to not worry about ttc and what's ahead too much. Unfortunately, yesterday I decided to do a HCG test just to check up on whether hormones have sorted themselves out, I'm still showing a VERY STRONG POSITIVE so I gather it's going to take longer than expected which has put me on a downer. But then, I get on this thread and you have no idea how much it has lifted my spirits, I've quickly picked myself back up and realise that it will happen when it's ready. Not just for me but for all of us.
    Wishing you all a BFP very soon.
    thanks again

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    AF is arriving. Only very light at the moment (only when I go to the loo). Didn't want it until at least tomorrow. May have a chat with GP about LP again. Or am I clutching at straws?!!!
    Want to make sure that everything is at least working properly in case we are busy TTC for nothing. Here I go again - so impatient.

    Lilylou - glad to hear you are OK. Sorry to see you back in this section but I hope we will all be out of it again soon.

    Best wishes,
    Debbie

    P.S. How are you Deb?

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    Hi Michelle and Debbie and Lilylou too!
    This seems to be our little chat corner! I have been away for 4 days at the beach fishing and reading and sleeping and playing. It was just lovely. I needed it and so did my husband. We are pretty knackered!
    Well, I haven't ovulated yet according to my sticks. I am cd17! What is going on?????? I felt for sure I would have o'd much earlier than this. I have been getting second lines but they are no where near a positive. I am feeling pretty low about it I can tell you. I will phone George tomorrow and get some advice.
    What about you Michelle? How are you doing? I am with you on the self jabbing thing. It's a very different deal jabbing yourself. I know when I had gt with Eva I even had difficulty doing a finger ***** (I will deny this if anyone asks but just between us it's true!). We'll be find though Michelle. I am looking forward to hearing how you are going.
    Debbie I am sorry that you have your period. So, what does that make your luteal phase? Debbie do you have an gynae? Yes a s.prog. level of 26 does indicate that ovulation occured however a level over 40 indicates a pretty good everything aokay ovulation. Because you have been closely monitoring your fertility using opk's and temps etc for a number of months my hunch is that you need a little further asessment. I am guessing your prog. is lowered because your lp is shortened. I would urge you to just get a consult with a gynae. Again, tell me to go away if I am being too direct. This LP could be a result of post partum cycles taking time to correct.
    Lilylou good to see you in here. It would be worth getting a serum quantatative hcg done just to see what your levels are. I am glad youhave popped in and before too long we will all be holding baby's in our arms for sure.
    Sorry this is short, I have got a mile of emails to answer now the kids are asleep.
    Lots of love to you all

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    Deb, you must be a mind reader. Went to GP today and got referral for specialist. He's away at the moment so appointment is for the 5th of Sept. Just want to chat with him about possible LP defect and generally pick his brains. Do not want to go down the IVF path. Too stressful and costly and not just myself and husband to consider - the kids as well. But he is the one in the know. Don't want to just hear about the age issue as I did with the GP today. My normal doc. is away and didn't want to wait until she got back. Only wanted the referral anyway. I know I am getting older and I can't change that but if there is something that I can or need to change I want to find out about it! Do you know what I mean. Who knows, may not need the appointment if we are lucky. Must stay positive right.

    Deb, you asked about my LP. Well, counting the day I first see the positive on the OPK and up to and including the last day of my cycle they have been as follows (since last October) - 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 16, 14, 14,13. I am guessing that I ovulate the day after seeing positive OPK so if that is so, you can knock one day off those numbers. For the cycles which would have been Jan (14), Feb (15) Mar (16, Apr (14) i was using the progesterone cream. For almost all the cycles I have been taking B6 and for the last 3 cycles I have been using vitex as well. I have only been temping for the past 2 cycles. Gosh, what a lot of information!!!
    Bring back the days of sex for the hell of it and hopefully if we're lucky we might have a baby - but if not we'll have had fun anyway!!!!

    Love to you all,
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    I hear you about sex for the fun of it!!! I am over it at the moment I can tell you!!!

    I am really happy that you got an appointment. I won't be at all surprised if you don't need it! That old adage that once you make an appt voila!!!! I hope so.

    I still don't know what's happening for me. I ran into my ob and he'll phone later in the day. Didn't think a meeting was the best time to talk about my menstrual cycle!!!!
    I am feeling pretty down in the dumps today. It will be interesting to see what my cd21 test shows - we'll repeat later in the month if it's low. It is possible that I ovulated earlier in my cycle - I have a love hate relationship with opk's however given my raised levels of lh (supposedly anyhow!) due to the clomid I would have thought I would get a nice firm positive.
    Blah blah blah!!!!
    I have to try and remain positive but today's a blah day! I have some papers to mark so I must go but I was so glad to hear from you.

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    Sorry Deb I missed something!
    Those lp look pretty okay really. But still I think you will be grateful for some further assessment. Thanks for sharing your figures.
    Hugs

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    Always here for you Deb. But don't worry, we all get those kind of days. I haven't had one for a while so I should be due for one hell of a blah day!!!
    Hugs as always,
    Debbie

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    Michelle, how are you going?
    You too Lilylou?
    Debbie

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    Hi,
    I just can't believe it when I read these posts, it's like I'm ready my own posts?? I too, 'assume' I have a LP problem, so I booked into an ob's in May and told him what 'I thought', showed him my cycling charts, he told me all looks fine, according to charts, I'm ovulating and he didn't think there was a problem with my LP. Said to come back in 6months if I still haven't fallen pregnant, look at clomid? All of the same, I put myself on vitex for 'my' analysis on my LP and fell pregnant that month. (Have been taking Vit B6 for last 8 months or so). My LP's vary, 12,11,12,11,17,11,12,12,10,11,12, I've worked this out as when I see +, i normally o the next day, so I record LP the day after, so 2 days after +. (crikey's, am I a freak LOL). Although I feel this is short, Ob said it was OK. ?? Debbie, your LP looks really good. I'm thinking of going back now and requesting clomid, not sure why, just panicking I think. Don't want this to take too long.
    Deb, I am so depressed today as well, not so much about m/c, but I feel 'ugly and revolting'. I've never looked my age up until recent, now I feel it's just hit me. I also think I'm having a few hormone issues still as I'm moody as.
    I have a very complicated question for you all, what are your opinions on ovulation past day 20. The reason I've asked is I have read that if ovulation happens on or after day 20, eggs are 'geriatric' (as if I need to hear that ?) and there is a higher risk of abnormalties and m/c etc.??? I know that I'm not too far off ovulating since D&C two weeks ago, I was going to try straight away but that would mean it will be around or over 20 days since D&C, does this mean egg is geriatric and I am taking a risk??? I know I'm impatient, but just can't afford to waste the months, but this geriatric egg business has got me worried. What do you know about this, it confuses me as some people have long cycles, so how do they fall pregnant with healthy bubs if this was the case.
    thanks all for listening
    Lilylou (I need to put signature back up)

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    Lilylou, I have those ugly days too. I have just had my hair cut short again after months of trying to grow it. Boy, did I feel younger as those locks fell off. Just cheered me up no end.

    I don't know a lot about it but I don't think it matters whether you 'O' early or late in a cycle as long as LP is long enough. In the medical profession our eggs are already 'geriatric' (not sure on the spelling of that!) anyway due to our "advanced maternal age!!!!!". So whether you 'O' early or late won't change that. Please someone out htere correct me if I'm wrong. All information is appreciated.

    Take care anyway and keep your chin up. Spoil yourself. New haircut, facial, sauna. Do something for you. It will make all the uglies go away.
    Best wishes as always,
    Debbie

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    Hi Lilylou good to hear from you.
    Well there is a bit of a thing about eggs past cd20. This is thought to be a two pronged thing. Yes, the eggs have been hanging out a bit too long and also that your endometrium (womb lining) isn't optimal for implantation.
    However, all of that said I have a close friend who ovulates late (cd19-21) and she has 2 healthy kids! You will hear from many women on here that ovulate very late. Jodie from Lullaby conceived one of her kids on cd50 or something like it.
    I would tend to go with it. If you feel like making love go for it. If you catch an egg then woo hoo if not then perhaps it was a little too mature and next month you can try again. I know how hard it is. It's frustrating and at times heartbreaking.
    As Debbie says, try and look after you. Get a massage, manicure, hair cut - lunch with the girls. You deserve it.

    I tell you guys PAML isn't gonna know what hit them when the four of us get in there!!!!

    Hugs hugs and more hugs....

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    Thanks Debbie,
    Definetly doing something about my hair, needs colouring and cutting, way too long, I don't normally have long hair but decided to grow it, it's around 4 inches past my shoulders and looks sh***. I know that will lift me. I'm hoping is doesn't matter when you ovulate as well, have a feeling is does though.
    must go and cook dinner now and think about a new 'hair style' for myself.
    catch up soon

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    Thanks Deb,
    Not everyone has a typical 28 day cycle, so of course people will ovulate later. It's amazing how they can say past 20 days is too old, yet lots still have healthy babys. I don't understand how the egg has been hanging around too long. The eggs have been there all of our lifes so what does this mean. Do they release on the same day each month with everyone, waiting for ovulation? Sorry, I'm not very good on female reproductive system?
    speak soon

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    I agree with some of what you say and it can sound a little confusing. I will try to explain it as best I can...
    In the first half of your cycle - known as the follicular stage a follicle or cluster of cells in the ovary which contain the eggs grow from a tiny size about the size of the top of a pin to about the size of a green pea. It is known to happen that the eggs ripen at around day 14. Just prior to the moment of ovulation when this follicle bursts open and releases the egg the body produces lutenising hormone LH - this is the hormone that causes the follicle to burst. This process is known as the LH surge. Once the follicle bursts the egg is released and this is ovulation.
    The egg then enters the fallopian tubes where hopefully it encounters a friendly sperm and the two become one (so to speak). Fertilisation usually happens in the tubes and then gradually the fertilised egg makes its way to the uterus where it becomes embedded over a period of days.

    The issue with ovulating past day 20 or so - let's not be too static with days is that this egg has matured in the follicle and is now sitting there getting older - do you follow? Had the egg matured and then released as it 'should' on cd14 then the egg would be fresh - as the days go along the egg is that little bit older - kind of like if you break an egg and cook it straight away it's fresher than if you break it and leave it to cook at a later time.

    Now, having said that it could be argued (and it often is) that some women naturally ovulate later - I am a case in point. I have never had a cycle where I ovulate on cd14. My usual is cd16,17,18. Some women are later. These late ovulators it could be argued are normal for them and their eggs are as they should be - with the whole process starting a little later in the month for them.
    Science however tells us that generally the freshest eggs are released around cd14, so therefore cd20 is getting up there.
    If we talk of facts and the mechanics then the closer to cd14 ovulation occurs the better. However maybe the late ovulators don't ripen up until later so in fact their eggs aren't 'hanging around'. Science does debate that one too. Do you follow???

    Again, I would go with the flow if you feel the urge go for it and if you conceive then that's wonderful.

    I hope I have helped and not confused you more. If you need more explaination ask me and I will try to help.

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    Hi Girls

    I've been reading this topic with interest as I suspect I've got problems with my LP as well.

    Before I had my first child (we had to interrupt a pregnancy due to spina bifida at 20w6d in Feb) my LP's were 14 days, now in the 2 months I've been charting so far I've had a LP of 11 days, and last month we had a chemical pregnancy......

    If I have another 11 day LP I'm going to see my doctor and demand some testing.

    As for O day, Before Amy, I had 18, 22, 20, after Amy it's been 26 & 21.... So far I'm on CD 12, but not expecting O till at least CD 20...

    I'm only 27, but I still feel the urgency to become a mother...

    You think that when you get pregnant and you make it to a certain time frame that you're home free..... if only it was that easy.

    I'm temping and have just purchased some OPK's.....

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    Hi Saph, again I am so sorry for the loss of your Amy.
    About your LP - it really is 'normal' to have a shortened LP post delivery. It can and often does take a few months to get back on track.
    You are wise to seek out the opinion of a gynae who will no doubt do a S.progesterone level in your next cycle 7 days before your next expected period or 7 dpo. I would urge you to get a S.progesterone level done even before you see a gynae - your gp can organise this.
    OPK's and charting will give you a good indicator of what is happening and that will give you hard information for your doctor when you see her/him.

    I am glad you are taking things into your own hands and getting checked out, I feel sure given your age and that you have not long ago birthed that it probably is due to birthing. However, if you don't feel you want to wait it out and hope each month ( then further assessment is definitely a good idea.

    I wish you all the best Saph and hope that soon you tell us the news of a positive test and together we can all (our little group in here is growing!!!) travel the path together of growing healthy live babies...

    Big hugs

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