satya - and everyone - is it possible (and reliable??) to have pregnancy symptoms before getting a BFP? Like when I got PG in Jan, I looked on the net to see how early you could tell and they were all talking about noticing changes by about 6 weeks so I didn't over-analyse if I was feeling different or not.. but maybe you can??
On an unrelated note... a client in the US called me right in the middle of the night (grr, Americans don't seem to get timezone differences even when it's explained to them!!!).. I use my cellphone as my 5am alarm to take my temp and the alarm plays the same song as the ringtone so I got all confused and thought it was my alarm going off... took my temp in the middle of the night then realised what time it was!!!! Hahaha.
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The experts say you can't get symptoms until implantation occurs, but the net is full of women who had symptoms from as early as CD3 but most women don't seem to get any symptoms until about 9 or 10DPO. They say implantation usually occurs between 7 & 10DPO but can happen a few days either side. That would then account for women who get symptoms as 3 or 4DPO - they just had early implantation. What you also have to remember is that it is not an exact science.... we can guess which day we O'd by temping but even that is not 100% accurate so it could have happened a day or so earlier than what we (or FF) work out.
My only early symptoms with my last pg were cold symptoms & and noticably clearer skin in the 3rd week of my cycle (I break out twice per month mid cycle & end of cycle.... I know it's really funny for a 41 year old). Week 4 I started to get heartburn every day and was burping a lot. Frequent urination and sore BBs only happened a day or two before my AF was due. All of these things I only noticed in retrospect as to be honest I didn't think I would fall pregnant due to my history.
Pretty much every "pg symptom" could be attributed to a number of other ailments so it really doesn't mean anything until you get that line on the test. That said, it doesn't stop me wondering if this could be my lucky month.
Thanks! I wasn't doubting your symptoms just wondering how early you can tell. In hindsight I was unusually tired on a couple of days before I even got the BFP but I wasn't trying to look for changes... I expect I will be trying to look for any sort of change this cycle though!! I break out mid and end of cycle too, thought I would have "outgrown" that by this time but it purely seems to be a hormonal thing.
Well I am 7DPO today, so too early to have any symptoms, but I have just noticed that my left bb is a little tender! Probably nothing though. Satya - I also have heaps of creamy, clumpy cm that I don't think is usual for me except when I have been pg. I have also had a dull cramp in my left side today and yesterday, but not really bad or anything. It's funny, the two times I have been pg, I have gotten a cold too. I don't this time, though, so maybe that's a bad sign. I hope it is good luck that we are seeing so many pg ladies!!
kiwigirl - yay! CD10 already!
Salt - how are you going?
Sharon - yay on your appointment coming up! That's not too long a wait, and I reckon you will find it is easily fixed, and you certainly have no trouble falling pg, so that is a great start!
I spoke to an OB the other day (DH's cousin - always good to talk to if I have Qs). She told me that 12% of Australian babies are now born by IVF! I was surprised at how high that is. And she reckons the m/c rate is more like 50% than the accepted 15-20%. She said half her patients have no idea when AF is due and often don't even realise they have had a m/c. She also reiterated how common m/c is and how good our chances are that it will work out eventually. She said she is very hopeful for me, and that medically, there is nothing to worry about, and that is probably why my FS hasn't done much, as nothing needs to be done. She reckons I would be the perfect obstetrics patient and that we have just been unlucky. I always feel so much better after I talk to her. She also said that, if the worse happens and we just keep m/cing (and this is really unlikely), then IVF with PGD is a really good way to go and will definitely get us pg with a healthy bub. I don't know if it helps anyone else reading this, but I thought it was all very positive and helpful.
Thanks Miss Belinda, I think that sounds like a lovely idea, I have a nov angel pin that i have on my bag for bubs, but i think something like that is lovely i will have to see what July's birthstone is... But like you said see how you go.... We also planted a rose at the front door for bubs....
It's cold and wintery here in Hobart, the fire is buring and I feel ready for bed (it's only just gone 5pm!!)
Bun - good to read what your Ob friend said, I take some encouragement from that too.
Satya - Is it me, you - or what - but I definately sense a good positive vibe around you and all of us. I believe we will all be pregnant in the next couple of cycles!!!!!!!!!! I have to believe that, something just feels good.
Salt - how are you?? Did AF come yet?? Hugs, thinking of you - but that good vibe is still there around us all.....!
Well, I'm feeling a bit sick, kinda flu-like. Only a few days dpo, so CAN't read anything into that. I think I'm just weary after the big emotional highs of last weekend's wedding and having my girlfriends surprise me etc.
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I can't help but definately feel a "cooking" feeling in the uterine area, and have had some pains yesterday and today, just a bit tender down there - but could well be post-ovulatory stuff. I'm not going to test until AF is a few days late, if she is. It's a great feeling when AF is late, and you haven't tested.
Thank you to everyone who responded to me, I was just having one of my many moments of fear.
Bun- I was laughing when I read your post about pregnant women! Just the other night I went out with dh and I had been at the pool all day before that and I counted 8 pregnant women at the pool and 6 while we were eating dinner on the patio (at a restaurant) I told him I would scream if I saw ONE more. I usually do ok but seeing that many was just ridiculous for me it was making me sad and happy all at once. Sad because of everything but happy to think of being that one day soon. anyways your post was great.
Kiwigirl- I can't believe how fast time has flown you will definately be in my thoughts this upcoming month. I am sorry you got a random call like that in the middle of the night but at least your good at taking your temps! btw I live in the U.S. and I am aware of time zones I wish others were! I hope your doing well and look forward to updates.
Salt- For what its worth I am sorry about your AF I hope next cycle it stays away!!!!
LEE- Good luck my fingers are crossed for POSITIVE news!!!!
Nothing exciting happening here. AF arrived this afternoon - a few days early too. But I much prefer AF early rather than late IYKWIM
I have a free double pass to this weekends Pregnancy/Baby/Childrens Expo at Homebush, but don't really see any point in going (not sure if it would upset me or not). Plus, I am working tomorrow and figure I will just take it easy on Sunday. Is anyone else planning on going?
Hi Everyone. I started typing out a long post with personals, but, by the time I'd gotten through all the posts, it was terribly out of date & ppl had moved on. So, that's my long winded apology for lack of personals, except these...
Bun - wow, you guys are in a difficult situation, but I am glad you are feeling positive. And it helps to have positive ppl around, thanks for passing on your OB's comments. Helped me too.
Rachael - Thanks for asking the how soon can you see pg symptoms question. I was gonna ask that too.
Satya - Thanks for the answer. Glad you're feeling positive too. I think your symptoms sound promising. About the profiles & being stalked, I didn't think I knew anyone else pg, but now I'm not so sure. My user name give me away to friends, but I might change my profile so that I'm anonymous to aquaintances. Impressive number of posts per day by the way!
Salt - I'm sorry to read about your BFN. I thought this was your month too (sorry if that doesn't help). You certainly deserve it. I hope it works out next month for you. In the meanwhile, go nuts on gooey cheese, sashimi, fancy ham (always forget what its called) and champers. You deserve that too.
Alex - How's the house hunting going?
My l weekend in Belgium was great. Indulged in chocolate, waffles, mussels & frites, but just got to watch as my friends downed yummy beers. I was playing it extra safe cos I don't want to blame myself again if I do fall pg & m/c again.
I am at 11DPO but was a bit down earlier this week cos I've had no pg symptoms at all . Except for breaking out in huge zits in strange places right after O, and the last time that happened to me, I was pg.
But today I almost missed my stop on the way to work cos I was asleep on the train, and almost missed it on the way back too. And I'm probably imagining it, but I think I am peeing more often. Could just be because I've been tired & found it hard to find time to leave my desk.
I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but after being down in the dumps, I really want to hope for the best. Also, DH has been working every day & every night for the last six weeks, even Sat & sun, even from Brussels. Even though I can talk to him, it is hard to find time and he is so stressed and has other problems.
I had a really stressful day at work today too. Something went majorly wrong with the system (I work in IT), which we worked hard to fix, then afterwards got yelled at on the phone for it going wrong in the first place. Had to just meekly take it, customer is always right.
*arrrgh* sorry for ranting & raving about my life.
Hope you're all well. Stay positive everyone. This is going to happen for us all. I'm sure of it.
Miss Belinda - Is that a plane on your avatar? Are you a flight attendant, or just like travelling?
I'd give the baby show a miss BTW. Sounds like a nightmare.
Having said that I did stop at a posh-useless-kids-things-in-only-beige-white-and-patchwork shop window and look longingly at a wooden rocking horse and a patchwork bath mat type thing that you put baby on.
Do you like to dream & plan & be ready for when you're pg? Or do you not like reminders of how things could be? I'm firmly in both categories, even though that makes no sense.
satya things are sounding good for you, have my for you Bun when I was pg in november, the slight pain started off only being in my right bb (on the side of too) so it could be a good sign, I really hope so Lee things are sounding pretty good for you too, I hope that a bunch of us (preferably all) move on the PAML thread really soon missbelinda77 I am like you, would much prefer AF to arrive early, keeps us from getting our hopes up too much. I won't be going the expo, don't see much point until I am pg, and I think it would make me a little depressed seeing tiny babies and pg women everywhere. pash it really sounds like a stressful week for both you and DH, glad you had a great L weekend in Belgium. Your symptoms are sounding good, but like you said, it's best not to read anything into them just so that you save yourself 'major' disappointment. Every month before I get AF (usually a few days before) I always get a few small pimples right between my boobs, and the only times this hasn't happened has been when I have been pg, so when I see them appear, I know AF is on her way, but it could be the complete opposite for you :0)
Well, DH didn't want to BD last night, he said he has been thinking about the last 2 m/c I have had and thinks that it could be because I am overweight :0( he wants to wait until I have seen my Ob/gyn before we try again, and also for me to lose some weight. He also wants me to think about whether having a baby is really what I want (which it is) so I am feeling a little bit down today since I looks like O was yesterday and the last time we BD was 3 days before then.
pash - it's a shark in my avatar. It's the symbol for the footy team I support. My DH and I are sports crazy I know what you mean by not wanting to get your hopes up, but sometimes that is a good thing, because we just never know what is around the corner, so we may as well be positive about it.
I think I will definitely miss the baby show. I'm a bit like you and like to dream and plan, but also don't like the reminders. The odd thing is, before I was pregnant I would always be looking in baby shops and planning everything, and then as soon as I was pregnant I didn't want to buy anything too soon - "just in case" - which was just as well in the end.
Sharon - Hmm, I just realised that we are both married to Paul's. Strange men! Did you point out to him that there are many overweight woman falling pregnant and having babies all the time and that's no reason to stop BDing! I've never understood why people think being overweight can cause infertility - isn't it rather that being overweight can be a symptom of something else, which is really the cause of the infertility??? Or maybe it's me that doesn't understand???? Anyway lots of *hugs* and I hope your day improves.
Hello all!
From everyones posts it seems like there might be quite a few BFP's this month!
Sharon- I think I would kick my husband if he said that! Men! it is true what they say "you cant live with em but you cant live without em" Just keep focusing on you ob appointment which must be close now and hopefully that will bring the answers you need.
Salt: I hope you are doing ok? Another cycle is here so fingers crossed this is your one!
Bun: 8 dpo! So close to testing Good luck! I wish I had an Ob on hand like that! She sounds like she really know her stuff which helps put your mind at ease about things. It makes sense that the mc rate is higher than they say.
Satya: Sounds like you are in for a BFP this month too! Do you have alot of visits to an Ob or fs because of your high rate for possible miscarriage? I have my for you!
Has anyone here experieced ovulation pain or spotting? I had two days of mild cramping and slight spotting. After my visit to the ob and them saying I hadn't ov yet, 3 days later I had the cramps and spotting and just wondering if it was me ovulating? I did some google searches and what I found sounds like what happened to me. I hope so I a made sure that we bd just in case!!!
I hope everyone is having a restful and fun weekend!
missbelinda77 I know someone else who is married to a Paul, and he's a strange one too LOL. I understand what you are saying and I also know that Paul is just worried that if I am overweight now, when I get pg and go full term, will I be even more over weight then, and then what if I end up with other medical conditions after, so I can see his point to an extent, just made me a bit cranky, but I honestly should lose at least 10kg so I am going to try and eat healthy and start getting some regular exercise. cherie26 I really felt like punching his light out, but after thinking about it a bit more I can see his point, but I am not going to stop ttc when my next cycle arrives (unless told to by my ob) but I am going to start working on losing a little bit of weight, just by modifying what I eat and getting some more exercise, and maybe going to bed earlier as that seems to be when I am naughty and eat all the wrong things I had Ovulation pains a couple of days ago, and on the first day of the pain I also got some spotting when I checked my CM which I don't normally get, but a lot of women do feel O pain, and I have read that you can get spotting as well, so hopefully you have timed everything right and you will get your bfp this cycle. Salt how are you going? big :hugs: to you
Sorry for my absence but I probably won't post again until AF arrives, whenever that will be. It's been about 11 days so I've probably got another good fortnight or so before then.
Good luck to you all - I hope this thread is cleaned out a bit by the time I come back.
BTW, seeing friend's baby went okay, I am just a bit glum and way better than I was.
Miss Belinda - hmm.. now that I look at your avatar again, it does look like a shark In my family/culture the tradition is to buy nothing for a baby until it is born. I now understand why, but it is hard. When I was pg, I had asked my mum to buy a few little cotton dresses for my niece, but I decided to keep one of them for my baby, then I m/ced. Even though its irrational, I wonder if I brought it on because I was selfish and kept a little dress (that's still in my mum's drawers somewhere). Maybe if I get her to burn the dress or give it away, I'll get a BFP?
Sharon - I've never heard of overweight mums having a higher rate of m/c. But I have heard (on TV and from a GP) that overweight ladies have trouble falling pg. But if you get AF (which can stop if ur overweight), and especially if you ovulate, then your weight is fine. If you were able to fall pg in the first place, then also your weight is fine. Its so frustrating that men seem to play one small part in the whole pg process, but it is so hard to get them to perform it. Not sure if punching his lights out is going to motivate him though! Maybe try talking to him?
Shoegal - :hugs: You're doing really well, especially coping with all the social things that are expected of you, like seeing friends with babies. Take the time you need and I hope AF comes when you want her.
Going through this stuff really separates your fair weather friends from your real friends, doesn't it? Unexpectedly, my best friend, whose been there thu so many ups & downs, abandoned me on this one. To be fair, she was trying to cope with going back to work (to a new job) after finding childcare for her 4 month old, and recovering from post natal depression. But it took her 3 weeks to even call me (she lives in the US, so we haven't seen each other). I've spoken to her a bit since, but I've sort of held a grudge, which I think I should do something to resolve. I feel petty for holding a grudge cos we really have been through loads together, and its not like the last year has been a walk in the park for her either.
But I'm a bit annoyed with DH's best friend, who was really thrilled when we told him we were pg, but then when we said I had m/ced, he sent a txt and never mentioned it again. Except to ask DH why I wasn't drinking last week (as in trying to probe & get DH to admit that I'm pg, which I wish I was). Makes me feel like he's a fair weather friend. Again irrational, cos he and DH have been friends since they were 5, and have been through loads together.
But all the emotional support came from totally unexpected people. I feel so lucky to have BB and the lovely people who stood by DH & I when we were struggling.
Whew, don't know where that came from. Was supposed to be a flippant and short post!
anyways your post was great.
I wish others were! I hope your doing well and look forward to updates.
. Except for breaking out in huge zits in strange places right after O, and the last time that happened to me, I was pg. 
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I had Ovulation pains a couple of days ago, and on the first day of the pain I also got some spotting when I checked my CM which I don't normally get, but a lot of women do feel O pain, and I have read that you can get spotting as well, so hopefully you have timed everything right and you will get your bfp this cycle.
In my family/culture the tradition is to buy nothing for a baby until it is born. I now understand why, but it is hard. When I was pg, I had asked my mum to buy a few little cotton dresses for my niece, but I decided to keep one of them for my baby, then I m/ced. Even though its irrational, I wonder if I brought it on because I was selfish and kept a little dress (that's still in my mum's drawers somewhere). Maybe if I get her to burn the dress or give it away, I'll get a BFP?
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