hi tempus - sorry talking about australian (state of new south wales) licensing for driving "L's" are learners permit which most people get at age 16 (I just was never ready, and didn't really need them). Then there are two stages of provisional licences "Red P's" and "Green P's". The L's which you get with a computer test now need a minimum of 120 hours driving practice (only 50 when i did them) and a minimum of twelve months, reds are for twelve months and you need to pass a driving test to get these, the the greens follow, this is another computer test and you need these for a minimum of two years, follow this with yet another computer test to go on your "full" licence. Every test has a fee, as well as every licence has a fee.

About being positive, i can't do anything to change my SIL's pg. With lots of luck I won't see them very often. As to why keep this a secret, i think they've done the same for about the last seven kids. Why? Who knows, maybe it's so we won't make any bad comments about the number of kids they have, at one stage they had nine in a tiny 3 bedroom house, The first 3 are about 14 months apart then the others are spaced over a few years apart.