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    This thread is for parents who's baby was born in June 2006.

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    Me first me first!

    Anyone seen those fridge magnets where the woman is saying "ahh, I was dreaming my whole house was clean"? WELL MINE IS!!!

    Not super dooper clean, but clean and tidy enough for me to have absolutely no guilt with sitting upstairs and reading a book. I even have tomorrow night's dinner in the crock pot ready to go!

    WOOHOO!!!!

    See you all tomorrow luvvies

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    I love being first lol!!!

    Julie - hope the yoghurt test goes well for William. Do you call him Will or William? William was on our list for boys names if Marley was a boy (we didn't find out the sex during pregnancy), I love the name! Hope the clean washing pile monster has disappeared lol!!!

    Rory - I was told the same thing as Amanda about fan forced, 10 degrees less. The trifles sound delicious though and I am another frangelico lover (or basically any liqueur!). Sounds like DH got lots done too, its the perfect outdoor weather and how nice to spend the day on your beautiful deck! Would have been fantastic. You have a wise GF, have fun at work tomorrow.

    Amanda - school holidays must be a testing time with all the boys home! I am sure you will all have a ball camping.

    7th - good on you for thinking of the future. You guys might as well do whatever you can to provide a good future for your family. Your kids will probably thank you for it when/if they go to uni or get married! Good luck with the assignments, I am sure you'll get them done in time.

    Nic - at least Nixon has good taste in chocolate, none of that cheap, crappy stuff. Lindt is the way to go! Sounds like you had a fun day too. I can't wait to get another dog, I have been scouring the animal shelter websites for something that catches my eye, but its very hard. Its great that your dogs get along with Nixon, I bet he loves them.

    IK - hope you are feeling better and back on board soon.


    Quiet day today. DH had to work so the girls and I spend most of the day outside. I bought Chelsea one of those Fisher Price swings which attaches to our decking, when she was about 6 mths old. It has been sitting under the house all this time. Got it our over the weekend and cleaned it up and Marley absolutely loves it! She just sits there, hangs on and giggles!!! Chelsea can help push her too. DH also found a couple more larger toys under the house which we cleaned and are now using. Gotta love recycling lol!!!

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    Thanks for the link, Christy Saved me a 'fishing' trip!
    Ay, my poor belly! Definitely not preggers, Heaven - my illness has been of the aching muscles/headache/liquified insides variety, not exactly pg symptoms! I've got some kind of bug that hasn't gone away, so I'm gonna have to try fasting for another bit - I thought I was able to eat today...but I was wrong...
    Mel - sounds like fun with Chelsea in the garden, I bet it's very nice indeed, just like the backyard! One day we'll be presentable, too - DP is working on a deck ATM. In fact, his bro is coming over tomorrow to put up posts and it should be done (well, the floor part, maybe not the rails) by Wednesday.
    Amanda - I really like your fluffy toys idea, I might adopt that one so that Oscar can have them instead of chocolate! My own position, for my own family, is similar to Bath's - I'm not into the commercialisation of Easter and there won't be too much of an emphasis on chockies around here at this time of year. DP feels the same, even though he won't be looking at the 'real meaning of Easter', as he's areligious (atheist, whichever!). Plus, I just don't want Oscar eating chocolate for some time yet anyway - kids don't appreciate the fine art of chocolate and the stuff that isn't a fine art is not to my taste for general consumption, and I intend to pass on that chocky snobbery to my kids...mainly to save myself the fallout from the combination of sugar and a known stimulant! I'm not a chocoholic, but I do appreciate a belgian or swiss chocolate - it's all in the length of time it's stirred. However, traditional lollies may be another matter altogether...I was a notorious sweet tooth as a kid, so I'll have to see if it comes out in Oscar! Mmmm, sherbet...I'm salivating...
    Oh, and have a great time camping! You know I love camping!
    Rory - good one on the house, what a relief
    Bath - hope peace descends on your household soon
    Better go rescue the study from Oscar and put away all the clothes on the bed (my aborted attempt to tidy my cupboard and put away my summer clothes...)...right after a timely trip to the loo...

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    IK- hope u feel better soon
    Mel- those swings are great hey, Nixon got one for xmas and he spent a good time in it swinging away today while we were all out there with him. My boxer is so dumb he walks infront of Nixon when it is swinging his way, always bashes into him, but Marlu doesnt seem to mind and Nixon giggles his head off when he gets jolted from his boofer dog!
    Our last weekend in Melb is the last w/e in April. havent booked flights yet but will be heading up during the week of start of May.

    Well done Rory on your clean house!

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    Good morning

    Yeah we're going away this Thursday... we prefer to avoid peak times at holiday destinations as much as we can... DH can pretty much determine when he can take time off so we chose the tail end of the school hols. If V wasn't at school we'd go away when school was back to avoid crowds.

    DH has taken V into his work today as a bit of a treat. I'm taking the boys into the city at lunch time to collect her. Might take Wade for a look through the state art gallery too if Niall has a nap/is settled in the pram.

    Clean houses: I've offically given up. Can't be done. Can't be maintained. Been cleaning up after kids for the past 12 years. This house just isn't going to be perfect because it's old and the surfaces just aren't going to look pristine no matter how hard I scrub. Everyone dumps stuff and the more I deal with it the more they fail to realise what a mess it makes. So girls... my strategy has to be a bit different... because I have an older child/young lady who needs to be equallly responsible for the mess she makes I'm just going to let her and DH look at the unsightlinees of it all for a bit longer. In the meantime I'm going to spend more time out of the house. When I get out I feel much better becuase I'm not looking at their mess and Wade is generally better behaved anyhow. I could easily see myself becoming a slave martyr and I'm not going down that path. I am responsible for providing meals/clean clothes and other functions that are beyond their capabilities but as far as creating a Home Beautiful magazine standard for my family to relax and enjoy well sorry can't do! They are perfectly capapble of contributing to that! I'm not going to create a little princess and a pair of princes who think it all just happens mysteriously. Let them wallow in their filth. Of course I don't mind keeping Nialls's room tidy... but Wade is capable of putting his toys away on his shelves and he won't so I'm not going to show him that if he refuses then I'll do it anyway. I just won't get his Duplo down (that he doesn't have access to) until he puts his toys away.

    Ok... kitchen's clean (I don't mind cleaning the kitchen and often it's the most tidy area of the house because it has a gate and everything has a place) so I'm going to get ready to go out...

    ETA: The thing is, I'm a perfectionist too and if I don't learn to 'let go' of the mess around here it will drive me nuts. I think my life is challenging enough without me imposing impossible standards on myself... something's gotta give or else i'll lose the plot. I'm still going to hire a Mum's Assistant... we just don't have any ink in the printer (for the advert). Anyhow, going to email it to Dh and he can print it out at work. (Julie: I'm going to hire a retired woman to help me out at home for a few hours each week because i don't have any relatives in Melbourne to leave the kids with so the housework really suffers... as does my sanity!)

    ETA #2 Mel & Rory: I don't mean to say that your efforts shouldn't be celebrated! Well done I envy you guys and also look forward to a time when I can relax knowing that everything is perfect... but I just have to accept that this is not possible for me now. Also, with a virtual teenager... it's a very tricky time... it's hard work educating them to contribute willingly rather then under threat of losing priviledges. Verity does go through phases of helping out... and she does her regular jobs willingly... but she still leaves a lot of clutter around and what's worse: she goes into my bathroom and takes things like my good tweezers and leaves them lying around in her bathroom! grrrrr! I know many mothers create rods for their own backs and with kids living at home for longer and longer these days I just don't want to let any bad habits or attitudes establish. Unlike DHs mother... I don't think you are doing your children any service by being their slave which is what you become if you do things for them that they are able to do themselves. I know this doesn't apply to mums of bubs Niall's age... so maybe I should vent elsewhere (although this issue does affect my parenting of Niall most days)... just thinking aloud... not criticising

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    Bath, I read somewhere that in our society we have it all wrong. We hire nanny's and mothers' assistants so that we can do the housework, instead of hiring a cleaner so that we can spend time with our kids. Lately I've been feeling at the end of my tether, too - the house looks a sight (DP hasn't exactly rushed this study rearrangement) and I have considered getting a cleaner in to clean the surfaces I haven't been able to, so that I can spend time with Oscar or study...but not all three i.e. clean, study and be a mummy. DP just doesn't seem to understand that piling a mess in my clean loungeroom, or on my clean table pulls me back to my starting point instead of letting me finish the cleaning so that I can get back to study. He's great in other ways (will pick up the dinner duties or laundry loads), but he definitely leaves the cleaning and tidying to me! So, I thought that if I made the move to a professional cleaner, it would hit him where he'd notice...his pocket. It would somewhat quantify the job I do here, as my study will not have a positive dollar value for some time, and mothering just has no dollar value, even if you hire a nanny! I do realise, however, that you are also craving some time to think with yourself, instead of competing needs from kids and DH, so maybe hiring someone to give you more time with the kids doesn't seem like a good idea. However, if you had time with the kids that didn't involve cleaning, tidying and all that, perhaps you'd get more out of that time than if you spent that time cleaning? I had similarly read that in those uber-progressive Scandinavian countries, mothers assistants are just that, they assist the mother so that the mother can be the mother and the assistant does the other stuff! Whereas here and in the UK, a mothers assistant is hired to take on the kids. Those pesky Scandinavians don't get us at all...and many a time, neither do I!
    You know what gets me? My mum comes round, looks around, and says things like "Hija (spanish for 'daughter'), you should spend some time and do the dusting", or "You haven't vacuumed", or "Your kitchen is so messy, you should keep it tidy"...first of all, as if I'm the only person living here, second, as if that's going to help me study, and third...instead of asking why I don't do it, why not give me the gift of doing it for me while she's here? You know, seeing as I'm doing a stand up job raising her grandson instead of sweating the small stuff?? She also then thinks it's appropriate to worry (out loud) about the strength and longevity of DP's and my relationship because I'm so selfish - selfish because I leave things, on purpose, for DP to do. "I never raised you to be so selfish". When she's the one who first taught me the tenet "That which you accept, you teach"! She IS an anomaly, but it still manages to get under my skin and make me think.
    So, Bath, I could easily be you in 3 kids' time - head out of the house and show Wade a nice exhibition! I'd think about joining you, too, but I have an osteo appointment again today.
    Men can never really understand the forces that pull a woman in competing directions, and the absurdity in the well-meaning advice for us to 'make time to look after yourselves'. Make time? What are the ingredients for this? How do you make time on top of the 24 hours in a day? Oh, and when I DO take the time to just 'sit it out' a bit, and when asked why something didn't get done I get told that I wasted time (either on BB, or in bed or whatever I consider to constitute some 'time out').
    Anyway, this is a long post to say, "I hear ya", from someone who also loves a tidy space with everything 'just so'...but can rarely achieve that now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IK View Post
    Men can never really understand the forces that pull a woman in competing directions, and the absurdity in the well-meaning advice for us to 'make time to look after yourselves'. Make time? What are the ingredients for this? How do you make time on top of the 24 hours in a day? Oh, and when I DO take the time to just 'sit it out' a bit, and when asked why something didn't get done I get told that I wasted time (either on BB, or in bed or whatever I consider to constitute some 'time out').
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    HERE HERE!!

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    Home now.... didn't get to the art gallery because Verity was too tired after being with DH all morning (although they both really enjoyed the time together)... but it was still good to get out...and some of you know how much Wade loooves playing at that Thomas The Tank Engine table in Myer hey

    IK: thanks, you made a lot of really good points but the main issue with the cleaning up around here is that I need blocks of time to do stuff that a cleaner couldn't do. Our paperwork (filing bills and statements) and putting away clutter. Stuff that gets brought into the house and/or just needs putting away is our biggest issue. I actually do manage to keep most surfaces clean (which is really all a cleaner can do) so when I get my mum's assistant she'll be keeping an eye on the kids while I tackle the filing etc. DH and I just never seem to find time to do it. He pushes paper all day in the office so the last thing he wants to do when he gets home or on the weekend is more filing... we have about 10 years of "papers" that has just been shoved in Reflex boxes that desperately needs sorting. Before we got the digital camera we accumulated about 10 years of photos that still need putting into albums! This kinda stuff... cleaners can't do this and it's really really getting me down. None of it's desperately urgent... we manage to pay all our bills on time, that's no problem, it's just doing the paperwork afterwards. The thing is if I was to say, tackle the photos right now, Verity and Wade would want to get involved and before I know it the whole process has either come to a standstill because I have to answer a million questions about the pictures or else Verity will try to start organising me or saying "no! I look awful in that photo... don't put it in the album!" etc.... I just want to be LEFT ALONE to do the job... and that's only about 1 issue... there's other stuff that needs sorting like all my artwork/creative writing etc that's cluttering up the house and needs time to be dealt with. *sigh* so it's head space i need... I just never seem to get it... so a Mother's Assitant it will have to be... she can take them to the park and i'll be able to get on with it... and because I'm paying her I won't be tempted to dawdle over the task either.

    back in a tic...

    back: DH is actually quite domesticated despite his upbringing. He cooked all the meals over the long weekend, for example. He also tends to do the washing on the weekends and cleans the kitchen to perfection. But like your DP IK, he somehow can't wrap his brain around putting away general clutter and definately has a strong aversion to filing. Oh, he also loves doing the vacuuming and makes a good effort to clean the toilets every so often. I can't really complain about him... but like I keep saying: he does kinda think that because I am at home I should be able to do stuff like the photos and filing... but he doesn't understand how much the kids get in the way, even just the sound of them arguing puts me off. For example. I need to read and ring around a few utilites companies because i'm not happy with TRU energy... so i have all this literature that I want to be able to read and digest... then I want to be able to ring the companies to compare deals etc... but this isn't possible with kids in the house.... I've HAD to do it before when we have moved house... and it's just too frustrationg and mistakes are made and I'm so sick of trying to explain to the call-centre person that the screaming in the background is not an axe murderer... it's just my baby exercising his lungs! LOL

    Ok... thanks all for indulging me in yet another rant... here's me emailing DH that mother's assistant Job Descrption.

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    we have about 10 years of "papers" that has just been shoved in Reflex boxes that desperately needs sorting. Before we got the digital camera we accumulated about 10 years of photos that still need putting into albums! This kinda stuff... cleaners can't do this and it's really really getting me down. None of it's desperately urgent...
    Ah, so I am right to try and get this stuff done NOW LOL! I knew there was a reason for being obsessive about organising my life. I keep saying to DH that "it's never going to get any easier for us that it is right now! If we can't get on top of things now we're stuffed"!

    Good work Bath, keep it up Gotta go cause I am at work ATM and typing this on my tea break

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    Yep, you are right Rory! It probably won't get any easier than now... until your youngest leaves home LOL but our problem has been made worse by all the moving we have done and my return to uni (for 3 years study when Verity was in primary school)... until Wade was born we were very time poor... I SHOULD have caught up on all that backlog while I was pregnant with him! But that year we moved house (to this one) and I had too much other sorting to do Thanks for your encouragement though matey

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    Bath - I love reading a good rant lol!!! It feels good to get it out. I totally understand where you are coming from. My DH was bought up not expected to do a thing (maybe why his 42 year old brother still lives at home!). His mum did everything, even colour coded his clothes in their drawers. My upbringing was totally different. My parents both worked alot so my brother and I were expected to do lots of housework and when was youngest brother was born (I was 12), I virtually raised him and did cooking, cleaning etc all the time, sometimes I get a bit anal over cleaning! So when DH and I got together, he was in for a bit of a shock. I expected him to pull his weight too and it took a while but he eventually learned how to iron, vacum etc. As he is a shift worker, he is home alot in the morning. He is very good at helping out, but he doesn't do things the same way as me. I am bit of a control freak that way but at least he helps. He does more around the garden and outside maintenance than I do, but I don't mind it that way. I have many friends whose DH's do absolutely nothing, so I think myself lucky sometimes. The filing thing must be a man thing. I pay the bills and I usually file them after, but if I don't, DH will put them back in the cupboard with the bills yet to be paid! I go looking for them and can't find them. Drives me mad. Once you get these nagging jobs done, you will feel fantastic and relieved to get them out of the way. And if you can get a few uninterupted hours of doing it, I might not take that long. BTW, my house in far from perfect (wish it was) LOL!!!! Glad you got to get out today, and I had to laugh at Wade and the Thomas set at Myer (his favourite!!!)

    IK - glad to hear you are back in the land of the living. Did your mum do some housework for you? I love it when they criticise but don't bother to help.

    What another beautiful day today and it looks like staying this way for the rest of the week. Took the girls to the playground after lunch. We have a school nearby which has a fantastic playground and its not too far for Chelsea to walk to. Marley just sat in her pram eating her vegimite sandwich!

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    Hiya Mel that's right... I forgot you had a similar relationship to your brothers as Verity has with hers... (she is keen to learn basic cooking techniques too... learned how to make eggs - both fried and boiled - last week). Maybe she'll turn out as good as you afterall! She is showing signs of being just as much a perfectionist as I am... she doesn't mind doing "interesting" housework... just arcs up a bit when i ask her to keep her own room tidy. Oh and DH was married for 6 years to a woman who was a staunch feminist and taught him everything he knows... he knew nothing before living with her. Why do women do that to their sons? Will I be just as bad? Oh lord I hope not! But who knows? I've become so many things that I swore I never would... LOL

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    Bath - I must admit, I wasn't too good at cleaning my room either LOL!!!! I would clean everywhere else except there. Must be a teenage girl thing. I think your boys will learn lots of great housekeeping things from you, esp how to cook. That was one thing that I vowed to do if I had a boy was teach him to cook. I wish DH knew how. Good on Verity for wanting to learn to cook - eggs are a tricky thing to learn to cook too. I still having trouble with poached!!!!

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    Mel: seems that my old dinosaur of an email system won't talk to yours! LOL IK/Rory could you forward on that Mother's Assistant document to Mel when you get a chance? ta If anyone else wants to read my Job Description that I wrote for the MA just let me know and I'll forward it on... if my system will let me!

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    Hi All

    Rory - Cream trifles with frangelico sound fab - i am dribbling now as there's nothing sweet in the house! I'm very envious of your clean house - i didn't manage to clean up durning easter.

    Amanda - Have a great camping trip. I will be very interested to hear how you get on as we really want to take our 2 camping but haven't got the guts to do it yet.

    Dee - Good luck for Michaels job ap. It certainly makes sense trying to plan ahead. You must be superwoman to cope with 5 kids while he's away - i struggle sometimes with 2!

    Mel - at the moment we mostly call him Willy but that has got to stop! I love Will or William so i guess we'll mix and match. oscar says "Wiyam" which is just so cute. Clean washing pile monster has grown to 2 sofas in size now so off to tackle it with an iron while watching numb3rs.

    IK - Hope your tummy is behaving itself now.

    Bath - Have a great trip. Would love a MA now as all our family is on the other side of the world but don't have the pennies right now. Good luck with finding yours.

    Oscar wanted to do some painting this afternoon so i sat Will in the high chair and put some finger paint on it and let him go too. I am so proud of his first pieces of art(pressed onto some paper)! Of course it all turned disastrous and he had a distinctive blue tinge until his bath this evening lol!
    DH away today but back Thursday so not too bad although i wish i had some wine in the house.

    Julie x

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    Julie LOL at the fingerpainting

    Does anyone else leave their bub to amuse themselves for, like half and hour to an hour at a time? Flynn just crawls around his room playing with stuff or plays int he lounge while I type here or do housework. I kinda feel like I should be "interacting" with him. Or am I being paranoid? Should I just be thankful he self-amuses? Maybe this is the "grown up" manifestation of my early fear that he was autistic because he so rarely cried LOL!!

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