willow - Oh I'm definitely going to be careful who I take my baby to if I do decide to try chiro. I think I'll give her and me more time to settle down though. I keep reminding myself that she's only a month old. Thanks for the info. Yay for Harry finally gaining weight
Rose - I'm sorry you've had a hard time , but I'm glad things are improving for you and Liam.
Alison - Happy b'day to DH for yesterday. I hope that nipple shield turns up. If not, most pharmacies sell them.
Carmey - Glad Jack is sleeping better now that he's got some help for the wind. I had to laugh that he managed to roll under the coffee table. Well done Jack!
AFM - Amelia is sleeping better at night now - only waking up for feeds and settling right back down afterwards. But we're still having issues from 7pm onwards. She just won't settle, gets over tired and then justs cries and cries. I don't think anything is wrong but nothing I do helps and I pretty much have to wait it out. She'll have a feed around 11pm and then settles after that. I was on antidepressants throughout pregnancy and wonder if she's going through withdrawal, even though I'm BFing.
Hi Willow - hee hee you just missed midnight that's for sure, you would've still heard the cheers at 12.20 am!
Hi Carmey - lovely to hear from you, just replied in the old thread. LOL Hard getting used to switching huh.
Hi Hannah - I'm glad for you that Amelia is settling better at night, yay! I'm finding our Amelia is more awake during the day and only has little bits of sleeps, anyone else noticing this? Makes it harder to get stuff done during the day I must say but I'm hoping it will eventually lead her to sleeping longer at night........fingers crossed!
Alison - Liam's been the same during the daytime - he's been awake far more (and thankfully awake and not grizzling for a decent portion of that time). The hardest thing is getting him to take naps some days - he just stays awake and gets overtired after a while, which makes it really difficult for him to get to sleep.
Did you manage to find another nipple shield? I know that my local chemist sells them, so hopefully most chemists do.
Hi to everyone else
AFM - Kind of tired today (just for something new). We went to visit friends for a couple of hours last night, and Liam decided that he wanted to be really grizzly and unsettled over at their place. Thankfully he settled down when we got home, but it was still pretty wearying.
And for those who asked - the hospital staff had no real idea why I got the nausea etc after birth - it was either a reaction to the drugs used for the induction and pain relief or a hormonal reaction. I think it's probably more likely to have been the latter - I've also been having hot flashes on and off, especially when I breastfeed. I guess my body is just sensitive to the hormones.
Alison, Brusslsprouts and Hannah - absolutely you have to join the December baby buddies!! We would be bereft without you!! It wouldn't be the same.
RoseRed - sorry to hear you've had such a rough start, but it sounds like things are improving. Its great you were able to get the PND diagnosed sooner rather than later. Having a new baby is overwhelming and if you have some extra difficulties thrown in like severe sleep deprivation, anyone would get depressed. And trying to make social outings is really hard isn't it. We tried to go to a friend's place too. But I think it overstimulated Matilda and we really paid for it with a really unsettled night.
Hannah - I wouldn't stress about the unsettled period from 7pm onwards. According to my bible, Babylove, most babies have one in the evening and can be inconsolable. I really don't think it would be a withdrawal. It would be much more consistent. And my pediatrician said that some antidepressants haven't been shown in studies to cause withdrawal - there have only been anecdotal reports which can't be proven.
Alison - I rolled into bed about 11:30 and woke up around midnight when DH got into bed. There was a quick kiss and I rolled over back to sleep LOL.
Carmey - what a little athlete you have there. Be prepared for an early crawler!!
Willow - what great news that Harry has reached his birthweight! He'll probably start growing faster than you want him to now!
AFM - well DH gave me a very Happy New Year and let me sleep! I'd only got 2 hours sleep when Matilda woke up for her 2am feed and decided it was time to party. By 4:30 I was seriously worried I was going to pass out and injure the little miss so I woke DH up and handed her over. Still she wouldn't be put down and apparently at 6am he tried to wake me to feed her but I wouldn't be woken! So he gave her a bottle of expressed milk that was in the fridge. I regained consciousness about 9:30am with boobs about to explode!!! But wow, it felt good to have so much sleep!!!! I think I might just bring her into bed with us again if it happens tonight. I'm not sure if its just her natural inclination to want to be cuddled constantly or whether we've encouraged it. Between family and a madly doting father she has hardly had to be put down for the first month. But Babylove insists you can't spoil a newborn, so I'm going to assume its just the way she is - otherwise I'll constantly stress I'm doing the wrong thing. Its been really interesting to hear how everyone else has been going settling their bubs. Anyway, I think I'll try and catch a shower before the next feed!! Have a great 2010 everyone!
Hi Tilda - great to hear from you. I think we're all doing great and sounds like we all have the same issues so we're obviously all normal after all LOL! Amelia likes to be cuddled to sleep too and don't you just love that Baby Love book, was just reading it before and read that same bit about it not spoiling them so felt much better. Amelia only went to sleep at 6.00 pm after being awake since lunch time! Not sure what her caper was there but now she's due for a feed but I'm going to let her sleep a bit. Hope she settles for the night that's all I care about right now! I found taking her to peoples places can unsettle them too, mostly I think because they're in and out of the car and everyone wants to hold her....although it is good to get them used to being out and about and having other people handling them. Hmmm.
Oh and Rose, I did find some nipple shields at the chemist, phew what a relief!
I'll pop back later to do some personals, but wanted to wish you all a happy new year.
We managed to stay up till midnight, but I "hit the wall" at 12.01am!
Jacob is growing like a mushroom - haven't had him weighed since 23 Dec (he was 4.3kg, up from birth weight of 3.6kg), but I reckon he must be closer to 5kg. I had to go and exchange three boxes of Huggies newborn nappies today (for Infant size) - there was no way the little tyke was going to fit the newborns for much longer, so I wasn't opening a new box. It's no wonder though, he feeds like he's a bottomless pit. Will get him weighed on Tuesday with the child health nurse at our local pharmacy.
I had an OMG moment this morning - after feeding Jake about 10.30pm-11pm, he slept through till 7am this morning . Not sure this is necessarily a marvellous thing, though I'm not complaining - I was always led to believe they need a feed/top up during the night until at least 3-4 months of age. Anyhoo - not complaining, trust me. DS1 slept through the night from around 3 months and Jake seems to be following a similar pattern.
As indicated, I'll pop back later on to do personals ... have friends popping over later and I really must go pull out the vacuum cleaner while the kids are sleeping!
Hi AndiE - Happy New Year to you too! Wow is Jacob in infant nappies already, what a lovely growing boy ha ha!
I have a very unsettled little girl yesterday and today, she is sleeping fine at night but won't sleep during the day and won't stop crying unless I hold her. I don't know what's wrong with her!
We had a lovely nye. We went out to a restaurant on the water up the central coast with my parents and aunty, uncle n cousin. Jett was an angel slept the whole time we were there even with a live band playing and he woke at 11.45pm to celebrate with us all. Mummy was very tired as it was long past my bedtime.
Alison I am having the same problem with Jett he is excellent through the night and not during the day he is only quiet if he is on the boob. I am not sure if I have enough milk for him. He feeds almost 2hrly during the day and sleeps for 20to40 mins that is all. I am thinking I may have to give him a formula top up around 9am 10am to see if I can get him to sleep a bit during the day.
Is anyone else having to give formula top ups?
I have the nurse coming on Monday so I will ask her.
If I can avoid formula I want to but it seems Jett is hungry all day then exhausted at night n he just sleeps.
Hope everyone is enjoying watching their little bundles grow.
Hi the lovely Lani! Yep, I'm topping up with FF and even giving a whole bottle some times! I've given in the last few days and it's helping.....after her not settling today (same issue as you) I topped her up with FF and she had 60 mls!!!! Been happy ever since! I think mate if they hungry they are hungry...like you I don't think my boobs can keep up with her growth spurt. The formula has loads of goodness so don't worry, I was like you and didn't want to do it but if its helping I'll do it. Lots of people have to FF full time so even if we're doing half half that's still good I reckon, better than no BF'ing at all huh.
Give it a go with Jett, I bet you'll find it helps lots and will keep you sane. Even when I express I'm lucky to get 40mls in a sitting!!! So I mix that in with the formula. One good thing about formula is it's quicker to feed and it fills them up, Amelia sleeps for 3-4 hours after a formula feed! She can easily drink 120mls at the moment!
Hi girls, I'm green with envy re your bubs sleeping though the night, even if they're a bit wakeful during the day. Matilda is getting worse and worse at night. She has refused to be put down at all tonight. DH was up her until 1am and I've been up with her since then. Ita now 4:30am. I've tried putting her down several times but she wakes everytime and starts complaining. I'm cuddling her at the moment with the keyboard perched on my lap. I think I'm going to bite the bullet and call the sleep consultant on Monday. I know she's only a month old and you're not supposed to be able to spoil them at this stage but this can't go on indefinitely. We'll go mad!! My parents visit during the day and keep saying what a "good" baby she is. But they don't see her at 4am and even if I point this out I dont' think they really get it. Well I might try putting her down again, but she'll need a feed soon anyway. Wish me luck!!
tilda, what a shame matilda is so unsettled. i have this book called baby on board and the author reckons bubs are often unsettled if they are overstimulated. so, that could be them being too overhandled by visitors or being exposed to too much excitement duringthe day. he suggests keeping things simple and keeping them in a quiet, dark space inthe afternoons if the are getting wound up so all the adreneline leaves their body. im not really explaining it well but you get the gist. he also says newborns arestill learning and it will get better! good luck, hun. x
to thegirls with unsettled bubs during theday- jack is the same. im not too worried as hes in a good pattern at night, he wakes at 2am and 5am after going down at 9.30pm. not sure how else toget him to day sleep as im only bfing and have enough milk to feed triplets! any tips from anyone else?
andie- very jealous of jacobs long sleep!
atm-sorry for the typos. im on this dumb pen keyboard and i cant use it!
not sure what you all do at night but ive got a new routine that works for us. we put him in our bed after his bath, dh reads to him, i feed him, wrap him then pat his bum til he shuts his eyes, usually round 9.30. then pop him in the bassinet. hear him stirring at 2am, take him to my bed for a bf lying down, then pop him back. same at 5am. i dont change or burp him and that way he doesnt really wake! dh then chnges him at 6. two of my friends recommended it and now we all get a much better sleep. i use natures friend so dont need to burp...
Hi Tilda - I have your problem during the day!!!!!! Let me know what the sleep consultant says, would be very interested. I have mothers group this week so am going to ask the health nurse about things too. We had a good night, the usual 3 hourly routine which is good after the last couple of unsettled days! I've just read in one of my books that they can go through a growth spurt at about 5 weeks and need more food so I am wondering if that's what Amelia is going through. I cant put her down without crying as we speak! She goes to sleep in my arms or on my lap and as soon as I put her down she wakes up. She's also definitely more hungry and I'm having to top her BF feeds up with a little bit of formula as she's still hungry. Oh well, will just have to ride with it for now I guess. At least she's settled during the night so far, that's something!
Hi Carmey - 9.30 pm to 2.00 am wow that's awesome lucky you! We usually put Amelia down around 10.30 pm but she's awake again at 1.30 am for her next feed and then around 4.00 am......although lately it's been slightly different times due to her day time shenanigans! Generally she's feeding every 3 hours, sometimes I get 4 out of her, last night she fed at 1.30 am but I was up for nearly an hour as she's feeding longer now (grrrr), and then she woke again at 5.00 am, DH fed her a bottle so I could sleep and then she slept again until nearly 9.00 am, bargain! I feed lying down at the morning feed too. I'm jealous about your milk supply, mine is pretty crap lately, it's great first thing in the morning but during the day it's not been as good so am having to top up with formula more and more. I only expressed 40mls yesterday! Perhaps I need to drink more, been a bit naughty with the water lately must admit! I too try not to change her nappy so as not to overstimulate and wake her too much but if it's a pooey one I do, she hates staying in a pooey nappy and I can't blame her! LOL. She generally goes back down without a fuss these days (at night anyway!) Even waking up is usually just to her making little noises rather than crying so thats good too now. How they change huh!
I think we've all got pretty much the same issues so at least we know our babies are normal ha ha!
Also TMI question, how do you know if you have hemoroids (sp?).....and can you get them even if you have a c-section? I've just noticed the last few days or so when I go to the toilet (bowel movement) it hurts a little like it's scratching.....sorry sounds gross I know. Wasn't sure if it was just because things are not as soft as when pregnant in the last few weeks or not LOL!
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Alison You can have haemorrhoids even after a c/s, the pressure alone while you're pg can do it. Funny you should say that about it hurting like it's scratching, I've had exactly the same thing the last 2 days!! I have haemorrhoids but I'm not sure that it's them playing up it felt a bit different, but like you my bm's have been a bit more solid/harder than they have been so could just be the difference in consistency, I've been a bit slack on the water too so that could also do it. I did have a little bleed yesterday after the bm just a bit on the paper (TMI) so was assuming either the roids or my tear has opened a bit I had a look but couldn't see anything external so I'll assume it's the roids. You can also get a little fissure (like a tear) which will sting if it's tiny when you have a bm if it gets bigger it can be quite painful. Can you see or feel any lump around your rectum? If so it could be roids...charming convo they can be internal too so you might not be able to see it if it's inside. You might need to see if it continues and then have a closer look to work out what's going on.
While we're on TMI subjects...how's every ones bleeding going? Mine's definitely less but still going after 3 1/2 weeks I can't remember how long until it stops does anyone know?
Harry's still unsettled most of the day and between about 8/9pm until 12/1am is terrible! So you're not alone there with unsettled babies. Does anyone elses house look like a disaster area? I start doing things and don't get them finished, DP is pretty good he's been washing nappies every day but mess and dirt just don't bother him like it does me, I don't even think he sees it most of the time so the house is getting gross! But like Carmey said newborns are still learning and it will get better so I guess I just deal with it for now it won't be forever.
The chiro did wonders for Harry's attachment, and he brings up a lot more wind than before but is still always windy and unsettled, we have another appointment tomorrow so I'll see if he improves again after that one
Tilda I have become very slack with Harry at night I don't even bother trying to put him into his bassinet most nights, I have a wrap and one of his blankets in bed I feed and change him then keep him in bed with us, not in the middle but on my side wrapped and with his own blanket if it's really cool, I don't put him under our bed clothes and that way we get a little sleep. I'm actually thinking of buying one of the cots I've seen that come up next to your bed with one of it's sides off so it's like he's in your bed but he's kind of not, if you get me, but there's no way you could roll on them or they could get under your doona or anything.
I'm off to try and get our thank you cards done so we can post them tomorrow, Harry will probably wake now, I'm sure I wouldn't get do do a BB post and the thank you cards LOL.
Hi Willow - thanks for that info - maybe I do then as I had some bleeding a few days ago but only the once and only a tiny bit. Hmmmm. I can't feel anything externally and I don't fancy having a doctor poking my bum ha ha - had enough of that kind of thing lately. Is there anything you can get over the counter???? My BM's have been harder too lately so maybe it's that?! I have been gulping the water today to see if it helps. Maybe it's the fissure thing then...might google that one LOL!
As for the other bleeding, mine finished about a week ago (around 4 weeks), for the last week I've just had the yellowy/clear type discharge they told me to expect at the end. Mostly when I bf, must be the hormones, weird. They did tell me the bleeding can finish earlier after a c-section but maybe I've been lucky. I still get some very minor little cramps when I bf too, anyone else get that?
Hi Alison You can get stuff over the counter for roids I used to get Rectinol cream and there are a few kinds of medicated wipes that are good too, anusol is one brand, the last ones I used were chemist own brand, can't remember what the name was but they were good. I'm not sure but I think if it's a fissure thingy you can use the same things.
I don't blame you for not wanting the doc poking around up there either!!
Thanks again Willow, will get me some and see how I go. I googled that fissure thingo, sounds like it might be that even....oh well, trust me to get one or the other, I avoided stretch marks, even constipation in pregnancy and as I didn't get my vaginal birth one positive of that was I avoided a perineal tear but noooooo that's not good enough, my bum wants to play silly buggars! ha ha
Off for a swim at my sisters today, first swim since aqua class before Amelia was born! Maybe the salt water will help it LOL.......best not take my board shorts off however! As it is I'll have to wear a shirt, I have this podgy little gut still.....when does that go away! I still have the line down my belly too ha ha.
Alison - I really hope Amelia continues to settle at night OK. At least you can get some sleep that way. Its so hard to put them down when they're wanting cuddles isn't it!! I'd ditto the info Willow gave you about the umm, pain and bleeding down there. I reckon it could be a fissure. Even with a CS it takes awhile for your BMs to go back to normal and in the meantime little tears can happen when its being stretched a bit more than its used to (sorry for the graphic description).
Carmey - Sounds like you have a fabulous routine. I think I might just have to try something like that. I know its recommended to create bedtime rituals. I think I'll sit down with DH this evening before she wakes up and plan a ritual. And the stimulation thing is an issue now too I think. It didn't matter when she was really tiny, but I think she's alert now to be overstimulated by everything going on.
Willow - My bleeding is just drawing to a close after 4 weeks. The midwife pretty much said to me "anything up to 4 weeks". Maybe if you're still bleeding after 5 weeks it would be a good idea to mention it to a midwife or your doctor. But I'm sure everyone is just different. It sounds like Harry is still a bit unsettled too. I've been wondering about those cots too. But I'm not sure she'll like it any more than her bassinet. She really wants to be right up against us, even if its in our bed.
AFM - Well, it was great to hear from you all today - I needed to hear some empathetic voices! I don't know what I'd do without it to be honest. Its so good being able to have that contact with people going through the same things. Well I finally gave up around 6am this morning and took Matilda into bed and let her sl0eep on DH's chest. Unfortunately it didn't get any better during the day. I had to go to bed to sleep at about 4pm and got up at about 5:45 to see Matilda still asleep on DH's chest on the couch. Its lovely that he wants to cuddle her but I'm really worried that she's getting too much of a taste for it and that when he gets a job I just won't be able to keep it up. Anyway, she has now just been successfully put down for the first time in about 24hours. She's grizzling a bit in her sleep but it doesn't seem to be turning into wakeful crying. I think part of the problem is that she hates being wrapped and when we put her on her back all her limbs start flailing around which wakes her up and she gets ****ed off about being put down. Well I think I'll call the sleep consultant tomorrow for an appointment. She's probably going to give me variations of all the advice I've read about, but some advice tailored for our situation might be good.
Alison lol hope the salt water helped Maybe your bum's trying to compensate for you missing the vb lol nice of it NOT!
As for the belly, well after I had DS1&2 the belly was pretty much gone by now, this time however it's hanging around! I guess that's the difference between a much younger body verses a 36yr old one ...I still have the line too.
Tilda ok well I'm nearly at 4 weeks it's slowed down a lot and isn't really red any more so I'm hoping it's nearly done, I do have heavy and sometimes long periods so if that's anything to go on the post-partum could be the same.
I hope you can get Matilda settled soon, Harry's ok at night as long as he's close he doesn't seem to need the constant contact, Matilda sounds like what my DS1 was like he was happy as long as he was being held, he did grow out of it eventually, although he did sleep in my bed quite often until he was about 2. I think Harry's the same with being wrapped he fights to get his arms out but then when he startles in his sleep it wakes him I'm stuck on what to do there too. Harry's also started to be spewy, sometimes when he wakes he's had a chuck and that's woken him then he's hard if not impossible to settle again.
Carmey I'm jealous of your routine too! I'll have to get onto one as well, might have to check out the infants friend too.
, but I'm glad things are improving for you and Liam. 
I found taking her to peoples places can unsettle them too, mostly I think because they're in and out of the car and everyone wants to hold her....although it is good to get them used to being out and about and having other people handling them. Hmmm.
any tips from anyone else?
they can be internal too so you might not be able to see it if it's inside. You might need to see if it continues and then have a closer look to work out what's going on.
so the house is getting gross! But like Carmey said newborns are still learning and it will get better so I guess I just deal with it for now it won't be forever.
...I still have the line too.
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