thread: A spirtual look at loss

  1. #19
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    What a great thread. I was sent this by a beautiful friend of mine and I wanted to share it with you all.

    Chapter Excerpt from Part IV of BabyCatcher: Chronicles of a Modern Midwife

    Spirit Baby

    Colin, my twelve-year-old son, discovered me late one rainy afternoon sitting at the kitchen table, a damp Kleenex crumpled in my left hand, wiping my eyes as I tried to compose myself for his sake. It was the third week of January, two months after I’d miscarried a pregnancy, but I still found it impossible to get through a day without at least one meltdown into misery.

    Stunned w hen the test came back positive, Rog and I had stared at each other with doubt and ambivalence. At forty-one, my professional life consumed me. I’d just achieved what some had predicted was an impossibility: I’d been granted delivery privileges at Alta Bates, and as a consequence, my midwifery practice burgeoned. Some months I delivered twelve babies, and no one ever knew if or when I’d be home. Rog, too, felt stretched to his limits, keeping his business afloat while picking up the slack for my frequent unscheduled absences. Colin and Jill approached their challenging adolescent years. How could we fit an infant into our lives? But when I lost the pregnancy and all hope for resolution dissolved with my tears, I fell in love with the baby that was not to be.

    Colin asked, "Are you crying about the baby?" and when I nodded tearfully, he said, "Well, you just have to have another one, Mom, because it’s a Spirit Baby, and you should be its mother."

    I must have looked puzzled because he said, "Don’t you know about Spirit Babies? How could I know about them if you don’t? I mean, you’re my mom!" But he could see my perplexity.

    So my first child, this not-yet-teenaged boy, pulled a wooden chair to my side and draped his thin arm across my shoulders, saying, "Well, Mom, here’s how it is. See, I was one myself, so that must be how I know. Anyway, every woman has a circle of babies that goes around and around above her head, and those are all the possible babies she could have in her whole life. Every month, one of those babies is first in line. If she gets pregnant, then that’s the baby that’s born. If she doesn’t get pregnant, the baby goes back into the circle and keeps going around with all the others. If she gets pregnant but something bad happens before the baby’s born…now listen, Mom, because here’s the really cool part. It goes back into the circle, but it becomes a Spirit Baby, and all the other babies give it cuts. Each month, it’s always first in line. Isn’t that great?

    "So you just have to get pregnant again, and you’ll have the same Spirit Baby. If you don’t, though, then the baby circle will just beam that little Spirit Baby over to some other woman’s circle, and it’ll be first in line for her. It keeps being first in line somewhere until it finally gets born.

    "But it’d be a shame for you not to have it yourself, because I know how much you want it. So you just have to try again. Mom, remember that baby you lost before I was born?" I nodded wordlessly. "Well, that was me. Really. I’ve always known I was a Spirit Baby. I mean, I know what I’m talking about here, Mom."

    In spite of Colin’s certainty that our household, so often bordering on chaos, lacked only an infant to make things perfect, Rog and I demurred. But Colin didn’t give up and even enlisted his sister’s support. Driving with them in the car one evening, I looked at my son in the passenger seat beside me. He stared out the side window and tried to hide his tears, but I saw the flush on his face, the shaking of his shoulders, and the surreptitious swipe of hand across cheek.

    Six months had passed since my miscarriage, and I had just finished yet another discussion in which I’d told my pleading son that having a third baby at my age was out of the question. I reached over the space between us and squeezed his fingers. "Colin, I don’t understand this passion you have for a baby. Why do you want one so much?"

    He tore his gaze from the distant hills and looked at me with swimming eyes and trembling lips. In a choking voice, he put all of his twelve-year-old passion into his reply.

    "Oh, Mom! Oh. Just for the joy of it!"

    Jill stretched forward from the back seat and placed a hand on each of our shoulders. "Yeah, Mom, just for the joy of it."

    It was my turn to look out the side window and struggle with misty vision.
    So, at a time when most women eye the empty nest at the end of their branch on the family tree with something approaching relief, I gave consideration to laying just one more egg. Several months of discussions peppered with doubt and disbelief followed. Although Rog and I made the final decision, there’s no denying that a big part of our decision to have a third child began with the insistence of our adolescent children that we "needed a baby in the house." Rog and I took a deep breath, looked at each other across the blond heads of those two wishful children, swallowed – and made a giant leap of faith.

    I conceived my Spirit Baby a week later. Just for the joy of it.

  2. #20
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    Thanks for that Lyn... what a beautiful story. The innocence of babes....

    ok i have a few thoughts running through my head......i get pretty full on with my "thoughts" and feelings and i justify things to myself in strange ways, but here goes.....

    Firstly i understand the unsurness of knowing if its our angels coming back....(long story coming up- need all the info for what i am saying to make sense.....)

    As you may have gathered i have lost everyone of my angels due to a different reason at all different stages. My first was a my son, Darren (means little one) who had kidney troubles which caused more troubles to the rest of his organs- we were made to terminate at 18 weeks as there was no chance of him surviving, my second loss was a missed miscarrage(approx 6 weeks- didnt bleed till about 10weeks) which i tried to ignore and lastly my daughter, Zahra(little princess) at 35 weeks due to a placental abrubtion....

    As i said before i sort of feel like Zahra was making her presence known to her daddy, to help show him what i was feeling... well i also think she was my m/c which i ignored, and she wanted to be heard loud and clear... IYKWIM...

    Now while i was preg with Zahra, i was hoping it was my little boy coming back to me. I was telling everyone i thought it was a boy (we didnt find out) and deep down i wanted it to be my little boy coming back....But alas... it wasn't my little boy- it was a little girl.

    I did feel like that i had betrayed her, because i wanted her to be him so much. But not that i had betrayed him- because he would have known i was feeling like that becuase i wanted him back so badly. I went thorugh a fair bit of sadness because i spent so much time thinking about Darren that i didnt give her the time to be who she really was. I can tell you that if she was here with me today i would have loved her just as much- and i would cherish everything about her- but i may have still tried again hoping to get my son too.

    i was in a really bad way through out my pregnancy- i was never convinced i was bringing my baby home. I completely prepared myself to loose another baby. And i did.
    I can say i did feel different in both pregnancies and if i was to be honest with myself at the time i knew it wasnt Darren back, but i wanted it so much that i tried to convince myself it was. DH always said i was having a girl- but i wouldnt accept it wasnt my son back. Until i lost my little girl.

    Now after all of that i came to thinking that my little girl wanted as much attention as her brother. I took to thinking that she was my m/c i ignored, and that this time she was coming back to be heard loud and clear by both me and DH. She wanted to be wanted as much as he was, and now she has been a recognised angel- she will come back to me for keeps. I go so far as to even imagine little Darren sitting up there saying- "ok Zahra you can have another turn now- but make sure she is going to try again and we can come back together..." Crazy i know- but it helps me thorugh some of the bad days. And yes, that was my thinking before i heard about the Spirit Baby Circle!!!! BIZARRE

    And as for continually trying without success....... When i first woke up from my emergency c section and i saw DH crying... i said i wasnt going to try agian. I said i cant go through this pain again. I still asked the drs if i was ok to try again.. i got the physical all clear, but i still shook my head and said i cant do it again. The pain was too unbearable to go through another 9 months of pregnancy and still run the risk of loosing another baby.

    It took about a month before i decided i couldnt NOT try again. We got so close, i know i can make a healthy baby- i know i have blood clotting issues- but i can deal with them... i know it will be 9 months of pure hell to get there- but i cant not try again. If i give up now, then all the pain i have suffered was for nothing. What if all i ahd t do was try once more... could i live the rest of my life knowing i was the only thing stopping me trying again???? I would kick myself so hard if i was to find out i didnt get my baby becuase i gave up trying. I had to try again if it kills me. Because a life where i gave up wouldnt satisfy me anyway.

    I still took some more time to recover and heal and lick my wounds before finding Belly Belly and really deciding it was time to try again. I know that with the support i have found here i can get through that 9 months of hell and i will still have my sanity and i will feel ok about feeling unsure, but i will have support i have never had to help me through. I know i was meant to find Belly belly coz it just flashed up on the computer right where i needed to be!! i dont even know how i found it- i was just looking for info on my blood clotting thing and Belly Belly appeared and i found myself reading a story that touched my heart (Deb- if your reading, it was the story of you birthing your angel son) it even took me ages to work out what Belly belly was, but i found myself in the best thread, with the people i was meant to meet.. (and i have found other threads very usefull too) and share this journey with. It has all happened to bring me here and now...... now i just have to sit back and let it be....

    After my 2nd loss i went with the thinking that i needed to be ready to loose a baby before i try again, and that was my mind set for Zahra's preganacy. This time i am not prepared to loose another baby- i am only prepared to bring one (or two) screaming and kicking into this world. If they are my darling angels coming back- they will let me know in their own way, and i will still light their candles every day. I will still think of my angels, and i will hope that they will come back- but i will accept what ever happens.

    I think i was a spirit baby... my mum m/c a few months before she fell pregnant with me. She has told me that she wasnt too happy about being preg again until she m/c... then she realised how much she wanted another baby and so she then planned me.


    Thats alot to take in ladies- and i am sorry if its all confusing, once i start i have trouble stopping the dribble that pours from my heart.

    Good night and Sweet Dreams
    StarBright
    xoxxo

  3. #21
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    Starbright Big Big hugs to you, what a strong person you are, you truly deserve to bring your babies home i think you would be an awesome mum, with all that strength and love. It would be such a pleasure to share your journey here on BB so please let us know all the details as they happen. I am sending big waves of positive energy to you!!! ( i wont send my sticky vibes as they seem to stick in the wrong place hee hee )
    P.s thanks Lynn for that excerpt, some one had PM it to me and i said i wish i could let everyone in this thread read it, good thinkin on posting it i'm not too good with computers.

  4. #22
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    Hi Willow, I believe that my babies are up in heaven waiting for me to meet them. But Iike you say Scooby, whatever helps to get us through. I am very openminded and it is nice to hear what other people believe and how that belief is helping them to cope with their loses. The only dream that I have had recently is that I was at a party and Jennifer Lopez was there and somehow we were really good friends and she ran up to me hugged me and said "I'm pregnant!". And then I tried not to cry while I said "Congrats" and then I went on to tell her how I had just lost another baby and then she cut me off and went to get her hair done by her hairstylist. Don't know quite what that dream means, but I just thought is was a very weird and kind of funny dream. Hope some of this makes sense and I hope I haven't offended anyone as that was not my intention. Thanks for listening guys

  5. #23
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    Lynn, that is a beautiful story! I am crying my eyes out as I type, but not out of sadness; out of hope. Thank you.

  6. #24
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    I'm glad that I could share it with you all..............I love it! I hope that a little bit of Cooper's spirit is born with this bub

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    I am so glad I found this thread, I too can be a bit of a philosophiser, sometimes a bit much, it scares people if I try to talk about it, but it is so lovely to find that there are like minded individuals out there.
    In my own experience, I fell pg at the tender age of 16, to a drug using, gf beating, lying cheating bastard, I terminated the pregnancy much to his disgust as I knew it was the best thing for me at the time, now eleven years later and i fell pg to my partner of 9 years after trying for 18 mths, I had a missed mc at 9 wks. I was devastated.
    but on some level I knew from the moment I saw the positive test that this baby wasnt meant to be, this was my "karma" of sorts, the balance had to be righted.
    I felt like I was lying when I told people I was pg, I know it might sound a bit harsh but I just knew.
    I may have used my free will to end the life of one baby because my life just wasnt right at the time, that baby came back to say, well just cause you are now ready, doesnt mean I am.
    I know that he or she is still there just waiting, this time it will happen for real.

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    HI Ladies,

    its funny how the cosmic forces work - for the past 6 or so days I hvae just deleted everything pregnancy related and this morning I though ah what the hell, reading will not affect the category 15 cramps (with 10 being doubled over in agony), nor stop the blood loss, or reverse the whole thing and this is the thread that came up.

    Lynn - can you please find out for me where your friend found that thing on Spirit Babies? I would really love to do some more reading into that, or anyone else who may know where I could find it

    I personally find the whole heaven and hell thing a bit hard to swallow the 'alternative' makes dealing with this pregnancy not working out a lot easier for me to deal with.

    One thing I have found is everyone focuses their energy and emotions on miscarriage being a 'loss', how are you expected to make a recovery focusing on such a negative thought .

    I look at my 'loss' as being a blessing and an opportunity and in some ways a trial - let me explain;

    1. I was told by a doctor years ago that I would never beome a mum, I have had a lot of unexplained problems with my ovaries. Now I know I can fall pregnant even if this one didn't go full term.
    2. We simply were not ready, the house is in the process of having an internal face lift and the M/Bedroom has been an on going project for 4 months now and still incomplete.
    3.I had just started my course when I found out I was pregnant
    4. This is the biggest and most important one. I didn't want that baby initially. I wasn't expecting to fall in so quickly and really wasn't mentally in the right place. I was angry because I had brought a new horse some months ago and was looking forward to riding this spring/summer. It took me a good 2 weeks to really come round and get excited.

    Why have I told you all this? No matter what you believe - put yourselves into the spirits shoes - would you feel that your mum was truely ready for you to enter her life? NO

    This has given me a small insight into the world of becoming a mum. I am sooo looking forward to conceiving, I really want to carry full term, I want the opportunity to be a mum - that was my lesson!

    I found a meditation tip that I though was kind of relevant - Let things happen naturally and do not try to force a certain outcome - That which is not natural will not be right.

    Sorry for the hijack - love to all

    Nae x x x

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    what glorious ideas are here! i agree with Lynn, i hope a little piece of Yeti is here with Peanut. i will keep lighting my candles for Yeti, even if he is here again as a Spirit Baby, to honor a different life that could have been. my love and hope to all of you.

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    Just to add to this thread, I am a great believer in the spiritual world and have seen a clairvoyant twice. The second occasion I took my MIL for her birthday. She went first, on the trip home MIL told me that the clairvoyant told her that she could see a woman holding a little girl in her arms and holding her out towards my MIL. This was after my 2nd m/c. When I went in to see the clairvoyant she made a point of saying that the baby girl was not for my SIL as my MIL believed but for me.... Let us wait until february to see if she is right....
    She was incredibly right with what she told me about my Son and my Husband.

  11. #29
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    Lynn, what a beautiful story. I too read it through misty eyes.....

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    Regardless of our individual belief systems, we all have the common experience of losing our little ones all too soon. I rather find it comforting to know I'll meet up again with my four little ones someday when I pass on.

  13. #31
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    Girls,
    I am so glad that i found this place and all of you because to be honest I really don't think i'd be coping too well without you!I have absolutely loved reading all your posts,they give so much hope and comfort...although Lynn,that quote made me totally bawl my eyes out...which is probably a good thing,we need to get it out and let it go!
    I come from a christian background and although i'm not one for going to mass etc i do have faith and belief in God or a higher power. I have battled with "WHY" this has happened to me since I was diagnosed with fertility problems 12 years ago. I am always searching for the lesson,what am I being taught by all this...is there a reason that I had to go through this pain and sadness and am I just not getting it? When I was a teenager i had baby brothers and my Mum belived that we all helped out with night feeds etc and i used to vow that i would never have kids,they were too much work. When I eventually found out that I couldn't have them,my words came back to haunt me...so was that my lesson? I struggle with the fact that i'm a good kind loving person,so why do I deserve this? Is there something I should be doing,should I be helping others with similar problems? Or do i just need to long for my children more than anything else in this world?

    I feel like I let my lost babies down,that I didn't tell them enough how much they were loved and wanted....believe me I've been telling them every day since.I bought a white rose and planted it in a beautiful pot on my patio,just under my kitchen window...it's a reminder every day of what could have been. I like to think that they are spirit babies watching over me but i just can't help feeling it's the wrong way around...I am their Mummy,it was my job to watch over and nourish them. I pray i'll be given a second chance some day soon!

    Scoobs....ona personal note...hope you're doing ok darlin,have been thinking of you.BTW.....can you believe this....I was born in Belfast!!!! I lived there until 4 but was raised in the west of Ireland,but NI is still home,where all the extended family are! Small world eh/..... it's a village!

    hugs and love to all,
    Claire

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    Hi everyone
    I'm soooo glad i started this thread now cause it was done in a very apprehensive way, but it has been joyous reading everyones thoughts, thanks so much for sharing, like claire said it is so great to have BB to share our experiences.
    Hey Claire so glad your back online ive been worried about you and wondering how your going. . I know its a tough ride and reading your story now i totally understand how tough this has been for you in particular, there are sometimes i really dont get the why bit??? I just lost an extented family member she was in her 70's, but the most beautiful lady, they found a tumor and went to remove it and she wass riddled so they closed her up and gave her a few weeks and in that time she fell and broke her hip really badly and i just dont get it she lost all her dignity and pride and it just not fair as if one blow wasnt enough. Claire it is such a small world it always amazes me how many Irish are here (and every where else) you wonder how there is anyone left over there. Well hugs to all catch you soon

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    thank you so much for this thread. I am still trying to come to terms with my angel who died at 12 weeks gestation . This bubba took us 4 years and several IVF attempts. I felt that i was given a gift after all this time- only to have it taken back from us!
    Your stories have touched me, and although i would love to go back and give motherhood another go - DH is not so sure due to the finacial strain!
    I feel like i am meant to have another child- and nothing is going to change the way I feel. For years i have said that there is a little boy waiting to be birthed with blonde curly hair- and a gemini babe!. I have said since i was 13 that i would twin b/g and then a boy. I have had the twins and now waiting for the little boy!
    does anyone else feel this way?? I feel that i am being selfish as i already have my twins, but just feel like our family is not complete.

    does anyone believe what their destiny is meant to be with babies?
    thank-you so much girls
    odette

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    Odette sweetie I know exactly how you feel....although my DH is adamant he doesn't want any more children I have this nagging feeling that there is still another little girl waiting to join our family.

    I don't know if I'll ever get to meet her either, but I don't think it's selfish of us at all - mother's just know these things. Hugs to you

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    Note to Clairebear: DON'T DON'T DON'T torture yourself now because of things you thought when you were a teenager. You come from a Christian background--you know God doesn't play "gotcha!" with us. But we all can't help but wonder when we feel down-and-out if something we thought or did years ago is causing our problems now. That's so normal and so human.

    Note to Odette: there's nothing selfish about wanting another baby. No matter how many children we have, we never feel that we can spare one...

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    Odette i have those same niggles i feel i'm meant to have a girl and i,m pretty sure it will happen (even with one fallopian tube) and i think she will come to me very soon. I think that why i get so annoyed when people tell me i should be grateul that i have my son, and dont get me wrong cause i am so grateful, but it doesnt mean when then have to be abandoned. Anyways i wanted to share (sorry yes again) a little prose i found if you read my AAAgghhhh story in the other thread i found this last night when i was really upset. I have a book called guide for the advanced soul and you think of something them turn to a page and it gives you some words of wisdom and this is what i got last night. it was soooooo appropiate

    [I]No soul that aspires
    can ever fail to rise,
    no heart that loves
    can ever be abondoned.

    Difficulties exist only
    that in overcoming them
    we may grow strong.
    And they only who
    have suffered
    are able to save. (everyone at BB)

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