Thanks, Deb, for answering my SOS. What you say makes much more sense to me. I did think it was strange, although the cramping was like AF and the bleed was similar to normal AF. Pleased though that this second bleed now seems to have finished and I think I have a couple of days left with this cold I have and then I'll be feeling much better. I will think about seeing a Chinese medical specialist, too - all advice is gratefully accepted, especially yours. And... I'd like to send you an all enveloping hug - I am so very sorry for your loss, Deb. I was in tears when I saw that your precious baby had died, I couldn't believe it was true, and moved to tears again and again when I read Eggbert's story. Hugs to you and your family.