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thread: I shouldn't have googled!

  1. #1
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    Mar 2007
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    I shouldn't have googled!

    I have written a thread about this before but I can't find it. I keep worrying about having another baby and how I will have enough time for my DD and how I will love it enough! I keep thinking it will be taking time and attention away from my DD and getting sad. I can't get it out of my head!! We are thinking about TTC soon.

    So anyway... I just googled to look for some articles... there was some good stuff to put my mind at ease but also the opposite!! Here's a part of one article:

    The night before the birth of my second child, the obstetrician on ward duty stopped at the foot of my bed, and after surveying my case notes for a moment, said in what I assume was supposed to be a sympathetic manner: "Not many people realise that giving birth is still one of the most dangerous things a woman can do." Not exactly tactful, I thought, but I let it pass. Two weeks previously, I'd been hospitalised with pre-eclampsia, a pregnancy-related condition that can be fatal, so his remark was to some extent justified.
    My son Solomon was born at four o'clock the next day. An easy delivery. A healthy baby boy. Within minutes of the birth, however, things started to go wrong. Something to do with the placenta, not the pre-eclampsia. She's haemorrhaging, someone said. Someone else took the baby away and handed him to my husband. The tranquil, dimly lit delivery room of a moment before was deluged with medical staff and glaring lights. A consent form was pushed in front of me. My fingers were folded around a pen. I had no idea what I was consenting to, could barely hold the pen. Some time later I regained consciousness. A large blood transfusion was feeding into one arm, a hefty dose of antibiotics into the other. You're out of danger, everyone congratulated me. Thank heavens for modern medicine!
    Looking back on my son's birth, frightening as it was, it nevertheless seems like a thinly worked prologue to the complex drama that came next. Giving birth is dangerous, without a doubt, but the dangers that accompany motherhood come in many forms, I would learn, and physical danger was by no means the only one to fear.
    The following day, my husband brought our two-and-a-half year old daughter, Jessie, into hospital to meet her new brother. How many picture books had we read to her to prepare for this moment? How much thought had we given to how to make this first encounter a joyful and positive one for her? And yet, for all our careful preparations, no fraction of anxiety had been given to what actually happened.
    The little girl who walked through the door, nervously holding her father's hand; who scrambled up on to the hospital bed and threw herself on top of me in a wholehearted embrace, was not the child I'd said goodbye to two days before. A bizarre metamorphosis had occurred. She looked huge, suddenly. No longer a little girl at all. Compared to the baby's delicate limbs, her toddler hands and feet seemed enormous. Compared to his newborn fragility, her chunky vitality seemed almost menacing. In the space of just 48 hours my eye had become, shockingly, unaccustomed to her.
    A week later, I was discharged from hospital and went home to a new life as the mother of two children. Already drained by a difficult pregnancy and labour, I was wholly unprepared for the emotional rollercoaster that lay ahead, caring - or trying to care - for a tetchy baby and a demanding toddler. I became the kind of mother I never dreamed I'd be, the kind of mother who coos at her baby, then in the next breath snaps at her bewildered toddler.
    The next few months were a nightmare - bad for me, infinitely worse for my daughter, a hideous waking dream that never ended. I'd worried about whether I would be able to love the baby; the truth was that in those early days with two children, it was not the baby, but my daughter I had difficulty loving.
    Baffled by my coldness, she clung, played up, acted out; in short, did whatever she could to try to recover our previous closeness. She commandeered the freshly washed babygrows for her teddies, climbed into the Moses basket in her muddy wellies; when I sat down to breastfeed, she'd clamber on to my shoulders; when I finally got the baby off to sleep, she'd thrust her face into his and wake him up again. Her increasingly extravagant efforts to reclaim my attention inevitably had the opposite effect.
    I was scarcely less distressed than she was by the abrupt change in our relationship. It was like walking into a favourite room to find everything has been rearranged: the furniture, the pictures, the objects inside the cupboards and drawers, the knick-knacks on the shelves, the cushions on the sofa, the books on the table. However hard I tried, I could not get my bearings. Nothing was where I expected it or how I wanted it. I wandered through this skewed landscape in a state of agonised disorientation, lost and mapless.
    When I looked at my little girl, I felt none of the things I wanted to feel. When she turned to me, it was like being confronted by a stranger. Only late at night, when I'd tiptoe into her room to kiss her goodnight and pause to look down at her sleeping face, would I feel something of the steady tenderness of before. Even now, 12 years on, it hardly bears thinking about what that time must have been like for her.
    Was it shame at my failure to love her properly that made me so determined to hide the fact from everybody else? I could have won an Oscar for the performance I put on for the health visitor. Depressed? Certainly not. Coping OK? Absolutely fine. I told no one, neither friends, nor family. I didn't even confide in my husband. What could I have said? He would have been appalled. And his would have been the natural reaction. I, surely, was the unnatural one.
    Guilt-racked, addled from a lack of sleep, awash with hormones, I had few reserves to think about, let alone deal with what was happening. What little energy I possessed for the practical and emotional tasks of mothering were directed wholly towards the baby. Not because I wanted it that way, just because it was that way.
    An evolutionary imperative that preferenced the most vulnerable child? A form of postnatal depression? A flaw in my mothering capacity? All of the above? But perhaps larger influences were also at work. According to the psychologist Penny Munn, mothering in western culture is "based on ideas of romantic love that assume a good mother will replicate a nurturing, romantic relationship with each successive child".
    Now this has me worried, shouldn't have googled. I don't want my feelings for my DD to change!!!! Is this a common experience??

  2. #2

    May 2008
    Melbourne, Vic
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    Heaven, you poor thing!! Google is not your friend

    From a personal point of view, I'll let you know in 26 weeks or so

    But watching my sister - no, I do not think this is a common thing! Well it hasn't happened to her anyway. She (and family) lives with my parents so I really don't think she could hide it if she were feeling that way, and TBH we are close enough that I think she would tell me if something were wrong!

    She has just as much love and tenderness for DD, now that her DS has arrived! Maybe not quite as much time, but as much love, I am sure.

    And FWIW, I can't see this happening to you either. You and DD have such a special bond, seriously, I don't see that breaking. Also your DD wouldn't be as big and old as the DD in the article...

    Will be interested to see what other people say...

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    oh man ......... so shouldn't have read that, now I am worrying about TTC #2

  4. #4
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    Mar 2007
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    OP- thankyou! I need some friends with 2 babies!! So I can see what it's like!

    NaeNae- eek...sorry!!!!

  5. #5
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    Feb 2007
    Melbourne
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    Wow, that's some pretty emotive writing! I kind of know what she is talking about, but honestly it is something that passes and your child soon forgets about it . When DS2 was born I did find it hard at first, but I think most mums do! You are battling with sleep deprivation and hormones as well as dealing with a newborn and a toddler who has never had to share you before. DS1 (who had just turned 3) acted out at first while he got used to the arrangements. He would hit and kick me while I sat down to BF, he would run up and down the hall, banging the walls while I tried to put DS2 down for a nap. This is all normal behaviour, so I discovered after talking to other mums of two. I had moments where I got angry at DS1 (again, due to fatigue and hormones), but I apologised to him later and we were both cool .

    It's funny because when DD arrived the same thing didn't happen again, I think this is because both boys were used to sharing me and they had each other.

    DS1 has not been scarred for life! It was all just part of the process of life and we all learned from it. My love for him is just the same as it always has been, my emotions or sleep deprivation does not change that .

    I hope that you don't let that article change your mind . Believe me, the benefits of producing another beautiful child, WAY outweighs the early days of their arrival

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    NaeNae- eek...sorry!!!!
    no worries hun

    FWIW friends of ours have had 2 under 2 and the eldest doesn't really remember not having the youngest nor having mummy to himself so I think that its a good thing to have the next close in age. She also has special time with the eldest and daddy takes youngest etc and vise versa.

    maybe some people are better at juggling then others??

    Nae x

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    Apr 2008
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    It wasn't my experience at all - I love DD1 more than I ever did and seeing her with her baby sister has just been a joy! I know things changed for her and she did act out a bit but over all it has been amore positive than negative experience for all of us.

    I did get the "I can't believe how huge she is" moment though - especially when I had to put her night nappy on!!

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    Oct 2006
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    That actually brought tears to my eyes because I have been struggling with how my feelings have changed for DS. I still love him but my feelings are more of guilt that my time and attention have been taken away from him. That woman has summed up exactly how I have been feeling. My baby boy is not my baby anymore yet I long for him to be so. I had thought about posting about it but held off because I thought it would pass. I have explained it to friends and family and they all say that it will pass as DD gets older and feeds less frequently. It still doesn't stop me feeling so guilty and these feelings are actually preventing me from having a third baby even though our plan was to have three. I don't think I could go through the guilt for two older babies when a third comes along.

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    FWIW - this morning I was wishing that DD2 was going to childcare today and I was home just with DD1 DD2 has been teething and screaming for days on end so she isn't my preferred company at the moment

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    Feb 2008
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    Well... i went through a similar thing... but i blame PND.
    DO NOT be put off for TTC#2 at all!!!!!
    I love them both equally now, but at the start it was hard getting used to all the change etc....

  11. #11

    May 2008
    Melbourne, Vic
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    I hope that you don't let that article change your mind . Believe me, the benefits of producing another beautiful child, WAY outweighs the early days of their arrival
    Well said Trish!

    I also think the 2-under-2 theory could be accurate - someone told me that long term memory starts at around 18-24mths, so the closer together in age perhaps the less of an issue it will be??? For the kids I mean... not necessarily for you.

    For me, preparing for the arrival of my DS has been pretty uneventful - DD is simply too young to understand what is happening. I don't even really think she has noticed my expanding belly! My hope is that she will be so entranced by the little baby (as per Nai with DD1 and DD2 - btw beautifully said, Nai!) that she will hardly notice any changes with mummy!

    Also - if you are still BF DD when the new bub arrives (but who knows if that will happen?) you might still be able to share that special time with DD. That's also my hope with my DD...

  12. #12

    Oct 2005
    A Nestle Free Zone... What about YOU?
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    Well as the mother of 5 my experience couldn't have been more different than the authors!

    All transitions & big moments in our life no matter how wanted bring stress & anxiety. It's about recognising that from my perspective. It's about setting yourself up for support & success not failure. Things sometimes don't go how we expect. In fact they often don't go how we expect. However planning for success & putting energy into the positivity of that is necessary if we want a positive outcome. If we lament and worry about all that "could" go wrong then we are setting ourselves up for a less favourable outcome. Educate yourself about all angles but choose the angle that feels positive and focus on how to acheive that.

    I personally (& I accept not all hold my belief) believe that one of the biggest obstacles to siblings being open & accepting of a new baby is taking the older children out of the birthing equation. Birth I believe is important for children to be a part of. Children fear only that which they are shielded from. It's like the monster under the bed - you can tell them it's not there or to go to sleep and not be so silly... But when they climb out of bed holding your hand and lie on the floor with you under the bed they get that it is scary to take that step but not as scary as the unknown. When we shield our children from the inevitable (for many) physical pain of birth, assuming they will be terrified we neglect to educate our babies on stepping up to fear, pain and coping, dealing and riding it.

    When kids are involved they are statistically more welcoming of their new brother/sister & are less likely to suffer jealousy & anger at the new child.

    I think it's unnatural for mama to disappear into the night and then they are brought up the next day to a neatly wrapped baby that is introduced as their sister/brother!

    We all know the bonding difficulties that "some" women feel when they have a surgical birth or a medical birth or the baby is taken away without a cuddle and a meet and greet... It's the same for siblings.(in my opinion)

    As for coping with another child. It's a juggle but one that we find our groove with. Lots of village support for plays with the older child, meals in the freezer, maybe someone to help with the washing and the cleaning for a few months... This sets us up for an easier transition.

    It's near impossible to Mother well alone. We all need our fuel. For some it's someone to do the housework. For some it's someoen to hold the baby so you can cook a yummy meal as you long to be back in front of your cooker. For some it's someone to walk the baby so youcan sleep for just an hour or two. For some it's facilitating Mama to go to the cinema or out for coffee. These things give us our fuel to keep going and going stronger.

    Kindness and acceptance that sometimes we all fall in a heap and go Whoa! We all do. It's okay, it's how we deal with the whoa! We need to treat ourselves with the kindness we treat our babies. Know that we will do less than we hoped sometimes but othe sky won't fall because of it!

    Good luck on your journey my love - this story is one woman's experience. Not all women experience a second birth this way...

    As for the most dangerous thing a woman can do? I beg to differ... I reckon you have more chance of dying in a car crash on your way to Kmart than you do dying in childbirth in this country...

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    Oct 2005
    A Nestle Free Zone... What about YOU?
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    My post took a while and others posted in the meantime...

    I just want to say perhaps it might be helpful to look at guilt differently. Human beings thrive in negotiating and sharing and learning how to do that. An only child gets it all - lots of attention and time. It's natural. My oldest is still an attention seeker - always wanting the lime light. However, she has learnt to share and to negotiate because she has 4 siblings. She has learned not to be so selfish & she is stretched to think of others... As are her siblings. To me that is a far greater gift than having me all to herself and not knowing what it means to stretch and grow in a family.

    I understand the guilt but let's balance it up with the gains too!

  14. #14
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    That actually brought tears to my eyes because I have been struggling with how my feelings have changed for DS. I still love him but my feelings are more of guilt that my time and attention have been taken away from him.
    This is what I am worried about. I feel like DD will feel sad and pushed aside bc I won't have as much time for her. People keep telling me it will be fine and she will adjust and everything but I still feel sad. I can't believe how close we are and how much I love her, I never imagined it would be like this and now I don't want it to change!

    I will PM you with the link to the full article aswell bc it has a happier ending

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    I understand the guilt but let's balance it up with the gains too!
    Good point. I guess at the moment it's hard because I can't imagine the gains, can't imagine how I will love another baby this much too. So I'm left being scared of the guilt! I guess I will find out one day what it's like and I shouldn't worry too much, but it's hard not too! And I feel bad for the second baby because maybe I won't be as happy and excited as I was when having DD bc I will also be worried about it.

    OP-I hope DD will still be BF! That's another thing I worry about as you know. I don't want pregnancy to make her stop BF as it does with lots of babies coz then it feels like I'm already putting the new baby ahead of her iykwim. But she is booby crazy! So if anyone was not going to wean during pg it would be her! lol.

  16. #16

    Oct 2005
    A Nestle Free Zone... What about YOU?
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    It is very very difficult sometimes to imagine loving another as much as your first baby! I think that's something all parents consider. Remember though love is not quantative! There is an abundant supply. Your heart grows bigger with each child - it truly does!

    I tandem fed some of my babies. My first daughter fed for approx 3 years and there is 5 and a bit years between her and my son...

    Each baby brings different lessons. the next baby will bring lessons about sharing time & love among others. She or he will be a different person with different needs and attributes. It truly will all work out just the way it's meant to...

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    I agree with Trish - I think the authors feelings are extreme, but I do see where she's coming from. I found the adjustment from one to two children very challenging. But to be honest, I think that was mainly due to my headspace. DS1 was an IVF bub, we'd lost our second child and despite knowing I was at risk of doing so, I bought into the whole 'won't life be rosy and beautiful once I get this baby home safely??!!' Well it was hardly rosy with the sleep deprivation and trying to juggle a newborn and a toddler I got angry at DD for waking the baby who did not sleep well to start with, and I had moments I'm not proud of but I NEVER loved her any less. In fact i have very strong memories of sitting on the couch bawling and Dh asking me why. I said "because I miss her so much" he said "but she's right here?!" and I said "not for me she's not. she's right here for everyone else but not for me because I'm always with the baby'. It was very hard.

    I can really relate to what she said about your 'baby' suddenly seeming so big and grown up when the next child arrives. I have had that experience both times and it is sad for me! But you learn to enjoy the change in dynamic, the toddler taking their new place as a 'big boy/girl' and welcoming the new baby of the family.

    My DS1 was also booby crazy and he did NOT wean during pregnancy and I am still tandem feeding him and his 7mo brother

    Good news is going from 2 to 3 has been a breeze
    Last edited by Willow; March 10th, 2010 at 06:10 PM.

  18. #18
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    i thought my DD1 had grown enormously when i saw her after having DD2, i think its because we spend so long transfixed on this tiny little baby that when we see our other kids its like wow! u really are big hey?

    my feelings towards DD1 didnt change in the slightest, i actually started to appreciate her more because i never realised all the things she could do for herself, yes she still wants my undivided attention, yes she still needs me to do things for her, but it wasnt nearly as bad as ithought it was going to be.

    I went through the same, how is it even possible for me to lve another child the same way i love my first. let me tell u, u can, i never though it would be possible but it certainly is, i loved her before she was born but the second i laid eyes on her, that was it! i was head over heels in love with her. and nothings changed since, only more love in this house.

    It is scary, but definetly doable hun, if DF would let me, i'd have 10 kids because the kind of love that kids give u and that u have ur kids is sooooo extrodinary

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