Morning girls,

Nikilove - so sorry to hear about your baby boy. It must be so hard thinking what would have been this month. . Feel free to post in here anytime you want. We are all here for you.

Salt - sorry to hear that you are feeling down. This process really is such a rollercoaster. I think it's good that you have a plan to see Mike if you don't conceive in the next couple of months. I am sure he will be able to help you if it comes to that. I get v jealous of women who have trouble-free pregnancies too, and don't even realise how lucky they are.

Nicole - happy birthday! I think it's good that you are quite casual about the whole TTC process. The trouble with trying to get in tune with your body is that you constantly look for signs or symptoms and drive yourself crazy!! I'm glad all your test results came back normal. Sometimes it seems hard to believe that 2 losses in a row can just be bad luck, but it can be and is in both our cases. With clomid, my clinic makes me have a BT on day 2 of my cycle to check that my hormones are at baseline levels before they will let me start taking it. Do you have someone you can call and ask?

shellbell - it really is awful how some people treat it like it's not a real loss. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. My FIL told me that in their day, they would not even have known about a pregnancy when I lost mine, I'm like - and what difference does that make? And anyway, he has no idea what he is talking about!! I got really angry because my first loss was a lot later and there is no way you would not know what was going on if you saw what I saw, but the second loss, although I was only 5w 3d and wasn't as traumatic physically, it still hurt just as much. I know it sounds awful, but sometimes I wish the people who make these comments would go through this too just so they would know how awful it really is and to get them to stop making such horrible comments ever again.

Lee - a skin breakout can definitely be a symptom due to all the hormones running around. I just never know when I am looking too much into things! Good luck!

satya - have you tested yet??

pash - it can be soooo hard not to test!! My attitude seems to change daily. I am quite happy and calm atm, but it could change in 5 mins. I try and remind myself of the good things of not being pg, like eating and drinking what you like, having more money, etc, it doesn't make it ok, but I like to try and concentrate on these things if I can. And I also think that it will happen eventually, we just have no control over when. I can't believe you are late and still haven't tested!

claireabel - have you tested yet? Your chart looks fantastic! I reckon you are pg.

Hi to everyone I have missed.

I have decided I am not going to get the BT done tomorrow. I will have to ph the clinic and tell them (or they ph and hassle me when the results don't come in when expected), and I am sure they will tell me off, but I don't care. It is difficult to know when AF is due, as clomid can change your LP, but I don't want to be testing until at least 15DPO, actually I would rather wait til 19DPO, but I will see how I go. I am quite happy to just wait. We have finally decided that after our holiday in Spain we will spend the last 5 days in Paris before coming home. I can't wait! We are also going to go to Eurodisney. I figure if I am not pg, I will be able to go on more rides and eat and drink to my hearts content, so what does it matter if I am pg or not? Both are good, and if I'm not, then we just try again next month.