Jo - please don't think that you are stupid. I appreciate everything you have said. I am sorry that I know all of you because I wish that none of us had to go through this, but having said that we are going through this and I am just so grateful that I have you all here to support me. I hope that talking about your babies, makes you feel a little bit better. When I first lost Cooper, I didn't want to talk about it and I said that no-one was to go into his room except my mum who i wanted to pack everything up and get rid of it. When I got home from the hospital the first place I went was his room. I just cried and cried and then I started to talk about him and what we had planned. To this day I talk about Cooper every single day and I know that is what gets me through. The fact that I talk about him, it is acknowledging him and that is what I want people to do. I didn't end up getting rid of anything because they were things bought for Cooper and they are still his things.

I am just so happy that you are able to talk to us about your precious angels. You need time to grieve and you need to grieve in your way. Any way is normal and you need to do what is right for you. If you don't feel right in talking to your family and friends about your angels, you know that we are all here to listen and would love to hear about your angels. I notice that you now have names in your sig - that is beautiful.

I hope that you are able to get some answers as to why you lost your angels. I'm sorry that you weren't given a birth certificate or the opportunity to bury your babies. Are you able to apply for a birth certificate? I'm not sure if they do it, but perhaps you could ask. I was devasted when I received Cooper's birth certificate but now I treasure it because it is another thing that acknowledges he was born.

I know that you have Bridie to look after and you need to help her with her medical issues but perhaps you need to look after yourself as well. I'm sure you family will understand that you need to do this. I can't imagine what it is like to be a single mum but I hope that you have lots of support around you. It is good to vent, so please feel free to do it anytime because we are here to listen and help you.

I hope you are feeling ok today. Big hugs to you