Oooh we've been busy posters today! I've been into the city... main mission was to buy DD a pair of Converse shoes... took a while but achieved... Niall slept the enitire period I was gone so that was easy. DH catching up on sleep now, Wade napping too.

Rory: the gap between my two boys is 2.8 years which is what we planned for and I think is ideal: I personally couldn't have coped with them closer together (Wade is hopefully nearing the end of a very challenging age... he's also able to do a few things for himself like go to the potty (for wees anyhow) etc which really helps... also with him being a little older he doesn't need his highchair/cot/smaller car seat so we haven't had to double up or force him to give them up too early) plus he sleeps through until 7.30am 99% of the time (i couldn't handle being woken up by 2 children each night) still, lots of people like to have children close together... I know my limitations though... he is still quite tricky to manage behaviour-wise and I know from working with young children that 3yo's are usually much more co-operative than 2yos so I'm really looking forward to his birthday!

Independant sleeping: I agree with Kel: if you can gently encourage your babies to fall asleep after you've put them down life will be much easier for all concerned. I've found that the most trauma-free way of achieving this is using a pram. I learnt this after noticing how easy my babies fell asleep whilst out walking them in the pram... so now i just let Niall sleep in his during the day... mine's a big Emmaljunga one though so it's almost as big as a cradle anyhow. Wade learnt to fall asleep by himself in the pram when very young and when it came time for him to sleep in his big cot he coped quite well.

Jess: You belong right here... eventually our babies will be catagorised into much broader BB groups so stick with us hon and don't stress about labels

uh oh... Wade awake... gotta go deal... back later!