TTC after Stillbirth/ Recurrent Miscarriage or Loss after the First Trimester May 07

[Spring Angel]

Chelle honey, you have every right to feel the way you are. Your feelings are very valid. When we are faced with this sort of tradgedy we often search for answers but there are no answers that are ever going to be good enough.

Just know that neither you nor your baby choose this, it is just an aweful aweful thing to have happened to you and I just want to reach through this screen and give you a massive cuddle. :hugs:

hold on babe.

Lv Sring

[Spring Angel]

Well ladies, I am off to bed.

I seem to miss you night owls with your late night posts, but I'll pop back tomorrow after work. I hope each one of you realises how special you all are.

Until tomorrow.

Nighty ni

Chelle: You will be in my thoughts and my heart tomorrow and always.

Lv Spring

[bailey99]

Chelle - I just want to say how sorry I am to hear about your baby. Please stay here if you want to talk.
to you and your family.

[tommysmum]

Chelle

I am so sorry to hear of you losing your angel baby. You have every right to feel the way you do - it is so easy to get angry at times like this - why does it happen to us and why so often to others - it is just not fair. I am thinking of you and your family - just give them all a big kiss and hug.:hugs:

Take care

[klee]

chelle, i am so sorry that you have to go through this again, I am so sorry for your loss. words fail me at this time, as I cannot imagine what you are going through, please however know that we are here for you whenever you need us. I may not have the words to give you, but I give you my thoughts and prayers.

[klee]

lynn hon thats wonderful that its gone up, at least you know something is happening. good luck for your u/s and bt results tomorrow. will be thinking of you.
well i met up with mel at the S&K meeting last night, wow what an emotionally exhausting night. Mel if I hadn't of read your posts from yesterday today I would not have thought anything was amiss last night, you and DH handled yourselves wonderfully. your honesty and matter of fact attitude was a breath of fresh air in a such an emotionally charged environment.

[Tess]

hi
Lyn - good luck with your u/s and next bt any rise is a good one and those numbers look high to me.

I have a quick question - I think I ovulated around 05 May - is it too early to start feeling sick and faint? I have been feeling really crappy all morning and don't want to start getting excited just in case.

[Lynn]

Hi Tess,

Thank you :hugs: I also meant to say in my last post that I haven't forgotten about your question about pre-term labour.

Stillbirth is defined in Australia as the loss of a fetus who shows no signs of life at birth and is at least 400 grams in birthweight or at least 20 weeks in gestation.

If I understand correctly, Thomas was born alive? If so he would be classified as a neonatal death. As I understand Neonatal deaths are not included in Stillbirth statistics. I am waiting for the Stillbirth Foundation to comfirm this for me. I can understand your need to do research. This is what I did after I lost Cooper and I continue to do today. I think if you google neonatal deaths you might be able to come up with some information. I hope that you can find the information that you are looking for. Have you talked to your ob about this?

Dr Deb will be able to help you out with your question about feeling sick and faint. From what I know after ovulation your progesterone levels increase and this can cause you to feel tired. Progesterone stays elevated if you are pg or will eventually decrease if AF is about to arrive that is why it is hard in the 2ww to know exactly what is going on because your progesterone levels are high and so it is a similar feeling.

[Inanna]

Chelle: YOu have every reason to feel as you do. I remember yelling at the Universe/God and telling her/him to just leave me alone. Leave my babies. I understand... I wish I could sit with you through this pain. It is a terrible pain and I just wish you weren't going through it. Your pain is no less than anyone elses. This is what this thread is for - for supporting pains and joys. Right now we are here for your pain.
I hope you slept okay - sending you a massive hug...

[Inanna]

Lynn: WOO HOO it's a rise!!!! I am hoping for a wonderful report after tomorrows visit. This is a long process isn't it. All the appointments and the waiting for results. It's really hard work...
I hope this is your month but if it isn't next month they will know much better what doseage to give you so your cycle isn't as long and drawn out. But, let's hope that you dont' need to go back for seconds!
Yay at self injection! It's not so bad when you get used to it... Mind you there are other things I would rather do too!

Hi to everyone else - I am feeling a little low today. A girlfriend lost her baby last night at 9 weeks. She is 44. She is determined to TTC again soon but of course she is sad...
I'll come back later when I am a bit chipper...

[Lynn]

Thanks Deb It definitely is a long process.............a lot of waiting! But I have been waiting for over 3 years to hold an earth baby in my arms so I know a lot about the waiting game. I am so scared and nervous about tomorrow. I just keep thinking what if the 11mm follie has gone like it did last month. Or what if my levels haven't gone up again. I know I should be more positive but it is really really hard. I don't want to have to this again for another cycle. It just takes so much out of you mentally. And my poor battered and bruised body!! But it will all be worth it in the end

Deb you might be able to help me with a question that I have had in my head for a few days now. Is it possible to ovulate on a low level of est? I just keep thinking what if my body (because it is so not normal!!!) doesn't need a high level. Is it still possible to ovulate? My FS wants to see my est level at 600. What are your thoughts?

I am so so sorry to hear that we have lost another baby. It just breaks my heart that so many babies are taken from their mothers that so desperately want them. Why is life so unfair and cruel?!? I know that you will support your friend and give her strength. She will be in my thoughts :hugs:

[Inanna]

Hi Lynn,
I may be able to help a little bit. The mid cycle peak expected for estrogen is 400-1400. So if you use those figures you have a little way to go. The follicular phase (prior to the LH surge) is expected to be 110-400. So, as we know you are in that phase of your cycle.
Generally on medicated cycles we expect hormone levels to be on the higher end. BUT as I said often with that first cycle it's getting the medication doseage correct. REmember for me it was my cycle on the higher doseage of clomid that finally got me a BFP. Prior to that I wasn't ovulating as well as I should. It can take some time to get it right. The good thing is once you've got it right it's much less mucking around.

I hope that helps and I hope tomorrow shows some nice forming follies. Do you have any pelvic congestion yet?

[Lynn]

I've had pelvic pain ever since I started on the injections!!!!! So I don't think that is any indication for me unfortunately. When I first raised it with FS he said that the pain is good because it means that something is happening down there. I asked for an u/s because I was concerned with the pain and that was CD15 which showed the 11mm follie. Well we are now CD22 so hopefully tomorrow it will show what is going on. So frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bailey99]

Lynn - Woo Hoo on the rise!! Hopefully it will have sky-rocketed by tomorrow!

klee - My first S& K meeting was exhausting too. I came out with a huge headache which lasted the whole day. I think I cried for the whole 2 hours. Just having to tell my story and hear everyone elses was so sad, but I found that the next one was alot easier and I really looked forward to it as I felt that I got such relief from it. It's great that you met up with Mel and had eachother there.

I will come in later and visit everyone, I hope you are all well

[bailey99]

Lynn - We must have posted at the same time. I am on CD 22 too! Hopefully when we both get a BFP this month our babies will be born the same day Though, I don't really know when I am meant to be ovulating, I have been temping and OPKing but still nothing. Though the OPK was darker today than yeaterday, but not quite as dark as the control line yet. Good Luck tomorrow!

[Lynn]

Bailey - LOL! We have been there for each other on this journey so it would be great to be on the pg journey with you too Fingers crossed that we both catch the eggie this month and our bubbas are born on the same day!

[Spring Angel]

Lynn: Whoo Hoo on the rise, I am been thinking about you and that is just wonderful news. I hope so much that tomorrow you get some awesome levels and when you have the US see some big fat ripe follies. GO TEAM 'HOPE'

Deb: I posted to you in the other thread but I also wanted to say here I am so sorry for your friends loss. What I can say is that she is so lucky to have a wonderful friend like you. Sending Big :hugs: your way.

Well Lil' Spring has been quiet over the last few days, I have been really worried to be honest. The ob said at this stage it is totally normal and not to worry (TBH there is nothing I can do anyway) he said that I should start doing my kick chart from about 25 weeks. Don't get me wrong, I am still feeling movement, just feels different IYKWIM, not as direct.

Oh well, I am going to have a warm shower and lay on the bed for a while to really concentrate for half an hour on any movements. Oh the joys of being a 'crazy lady'

Be back later
Lv Spring

[Lynn]

The results are in..........................................

Estrogen is 398 and 2 follies - 15.6 and 14.9.

The level is going up so that is a good thing, I just wish it wouldn't take so long. I am staying on the same FSH dose of 75 and going back on Saturday for another bt and u/s. Hoping for a miracle

Does anyone have any tips on reducing the pain of the internal u/s?????