TTC after Miscarriage or Loss ~ February 08 #2

[tempus moriendi]

Okay...*heavy and relieved sigh* I got DD signed up with two different drop in sites, just in case. The third one seemed nice, too, but there's a bit of a language barrier between me and the Korean lady who runs it (it's part of a Korean Presbyterian church). So I held off on that.

berecca623: you can have wide variations in temps from day to day, but when you O it will be higher than your previous 6 days.

STARRYSKY: praying hard.

plc1985: I've heard of moxibustion, but never knew anybody who had it done. Best of luck!!!

Canary: you just gotta hang in there (yeah, easier said than done). But enjoy your weekend.

bettyboop: I'm angry on your behalf, too.

Jodsan: sorry about your grandpop. I'll keep him in my prayers. But on the other hand, good luck with POAS!

Katiegirl: sending encouragement vibes. 16vials! how did you have the strength to leave the office!!!

[Jodsan]

My grandfather has pulled through fine, he's such a tough old bugger! He's had Parkinsons for 30 yrs and can hardly walk or do things for himself, but his mind is sharp as a tack and his will seems to be strong as an ox.

But I got a . Bit surpised, starting to worry that there is something wrong with me and that the pregnancy hasn't taken properly bc my boobs are huge and no BFP (probably just nervous after the MC). Will wait until Sunday to test again I guess (14dpo), AF due Monday. I guess it is possible that I O'd a day or so later, I go only on CM and ovary pain, the egg might be released a day or so after I feel the pain?

Katiegirl - good luck with all the blood tests, 16 vials, how did you not faint!?! Hopefully it brings with it some good working solutions!

Tempus - Glad you found some good day care options, peace of mind. How is your grandmother going?

plc1805 - I would love to hear more about your acupuncture experience if you get some spare time. Is it aimed at rebalancing your hormones bc you are TTC or your body/health in general? I can't help but feel that something like that would be really helpful for me. I had a bout of chronic fatigue last year which has been rearing its head on and off since I had a kidney removed in 2000. Then I got diagnosed with stomach ulcers which didn't really surprise me as it had been a full on 18 months since Aiden was born. I then really sat back and thought about focussing on trying to rebalance my life, my mind and my body. I've given up work to study full time this year to finish my law degree (which I have been doing PT since 1998!), we had to sell our house to do it but we are happy with the decision. So my life is feeling balanced and my mind is fairly positive but I still feel that I need to put some work into the body part. Subconsciously, worried that I might not get pregnant and stay pregnant unless I do something with my Chee!

[berecca623]

plc - yep am in Melbourne in the West, please tell me your guy is somewhere near here!

However like Jodsan am interested in hearing more about accupuncture and how it can help. Have also been thinking about starting to go to someone.

Ohe yeah and I finally figured out how to link my chart, or I think so anyway! Knowing me I have copied the wrong thing!

Good luck ladies and lots of

[plc1805]

Jodsan & berecca - hope the info below helps u in some way as I am in no way an expert. Also, just want to say that I feel that there is benefit in both western and eastern medicines so my position is somewhere on the fence with no single persuasion. I have written about my experience before so sorry if i am repeating bits. Basically, this acupuncturist operates in the city, in middle park and in noble park. I have seen him only in noble park and next week I'm seeing him in latrobe st for the 1st time. When I went 2 weeks ago for the 1st time he tested different points of my limbs (lower half of arms and legs) and he asked me to tell him when I experienced a sharp pain. The pain was an indicator of where my energies were blocked. Energies relate to each meridian (line) that travels through ur body basically from one end to the other and through organs in between. A blockage leads to weakness in that meridian. My spleen meridian indicated a weakness so did my kidneys and lungs. Where female reproduction is concerned the spleen and kidney meridians are important (prob other meridians too not sure) cos spleen relates to babies sticking once fertilised and kidneys relate to the quality of the egg and other things. So this guy has been working on my spleen and kidney meridians (and lungs but unrelated). Basically he said I got the endometriosis cos my system has been sluggish for the longest time and these blockages have meant "bad" blood circulating and therefore causing the lesions to form on my uterus. So he is also treating my body as a whole (other meridians I suppose) to promote circulation of "good" blood. So hopefully my endo doesn't come back and I can get pg too. He puts needles into my skin where the blockages are. He explained to me it's like when u cut ur finger and and the brain registers pain and promotes blood to that site so that the cut can be mended. So with acupuncture the blood comes rushing to the site of the needle and tries to unblock the blocked energies in the process. I have had a total of 3 sessions and the last session he used the moxa for the 1st time. Jodsan - given what u have described about ur health I think u would benefit (again I'm no expert). Whether there is one or two kidneys I don't know how that impacts the philosophy of TCM where energies are concerned. berecca - I am also in the west but my parents live in noble park so it is really handy to go there and leave DS with my folks. NP and city clinics are his residences and I think he works for someone at the middle park clinic, not sure, but he does treat IVF patients there and he said the success rate of IVF with acupuncture is 95% compared to 60% without. Let me know if ur interested and I'll pass on his details. Hope this has helped - if u have any further questions, am happy to help as much as I can and I'm sure there are some ladies in here who have knowledge on the topic too.

[Baby Angels]

Ohhhh Tempus.... Laughing big time at the thought of a sperm swimming carnival..... Reddy Steady Gooooo... and they are ooof. The strong healthy sperm is off to a flying start... .OMG there are some sinking ones..... The 2 headed sperm is lagging behind.... watch out here comes the chinese herb accupuntured sperm... hes coming up from the back... its head to head tail to tail... its its its....... To be continued.

PLC... Birthday Buddy.... Ohhh laughed and laughed at your natrapaths session.... Laughed so much DH asked what I was laughing at.... which I then read it out to him and he looked at me strangely and had a little smile..... I swear somethimes he must think I m mad when I m reading everyone s posts.... Sometimes I m laughing and sometimes I "ohhh nooooo"

Nickster.... Come on.... time is up... you had your Dr appointment.... want the news girl.... good... bad... alright.... WHATEVER.

Jodsan.... Good luck hun..... My nana said to me once...... If your gunna have cancer girl (she was talking to me during my tests) .. your bowel is the best place to have it.... There are miles that can be removed and if they run out of stuff to remove they can take the whole lot out and you can get a little bag to carry around. My reply to her was.... Great... and then I can colour co ordinate my bags depending on what I m wearing..... It was the best thing anyone could have said to me... at the time I was beyond stressed because of what the Doctors were telling me.... she put it all into prospective for me. There is always a positive side. Sometimes it s really hard to find but its there. The other point is, there is always someone worse off than you are. So while I may have been distraught about the prospect of bowel cancer and years of annual operations to have it removed... I think now... thank God it wasnt bone cancer or something that would have been far more severe.

Katiegirl... Good luck with the new OB... Im still hoping for you thought that AF doesnt raise her ugly head

Canary..... huge amounts of If once a week someone on the 2ww gets a BFP then I can cope with it not being me. Good luck girl

Hi to everyone else I ve missed.... I m trying to cut down the size of my posts... sometimes the word NOVEL comes to mind.

As for me... not a heck of a lot happening.... Day 3 of my new cycle and already AF s visit is coming to an end. This whole quick cycle thing is blowing me away... 25 day cycle and AF for 3 days... 2 heavy one not.....

I do have MIL staying for a few nights this week so I ve been rushing around cleaning up everything.

I ve also finished my IVF scrapbook.... It ended up being over 50 pages so its taken a while. After MIL leaves I ll start on the next one which is one for each of my angels. I finished the one for DH for Valantines day. So other than that not a heck of a lot has happened.

[Magda]

Hi Ladies,

I have alot of catching up to do, I have been busy with my daughter, so I won't get into personals.

But I wanted to answer Canary's question to be about when I was going to test. Canary, I tested yesterday and I am hoping that I just tested too soon, but I am sad. AF is due on Tuesday, I am eating alot and I am tired but my boobs don't feel tender, but with my last pg I didn't feel any tenderness in boobs until after I tested.

Anyways ladies I hope that you guys are doing well. I am going through really rough times with my daughter so I appologize for not really being here.

[AJC]

Magda - could be too early. My first pg I got a BFN am on 14dpo then retested pm same day and got BFP? You never know - don't give up hope **Hugs**

Jodsan - glad your GF is ok.

Bettyboop - wish the tables would turn and things would hurry up and start working out for you. **Hugs**

**Hugs** for everyone else too

I'm a little confused today - currently on cd 15 (usually 0 around day 17 - 18) so was planning to start serious bding tonight. Temp rose to
36.26 yesterday which was normal for pre-O but today it was 36.51 which is not normal for pre-O. Saying that - I am feeling nauseous this morn from last nights dinner so I am hoping that I haven't O yet and temp is just high because I'm a bit off. I have never O before day 16 in my life?!?!? I figured if we have missed this month (bd on Wed night but think that would have been too early) then it was meant to be as am starting clomid next month. Will still try for this month - DH due home anytime now so might light some candles and put a bit of mood music on for his arrival. Little does he know it's his lucky day - he he he. Maybe we can catch this months egg (if it's flown).

Oh why is it all so confusing?!?!?!??!

Have a good weekend everyone.

[Canary]

Hi everyone,
I'm back from my weekend away and wow! You have all been chatting loads! It took me a while to catch up, but I got there eventually.
Angel B,

If once a week someone on the 2ww gets a BFP then I can cope with it not being me.

That was a very generous thing to say and thank you. We will all get there eventually, it is just a matter of time..
Starry Sky, I agree with everyone else who says that it is really nice to hear how you are doing (and Nickster too.) You were both here when I first arrived in this thread, and I feel as though we are all in this together. I'm glad that you didnt dissappear off to the PAML thread and forget about us. Good luk for the 5th, I'll be thinking of you.
Tina, a WHOLE week??? There is no way I could wait that long! Good luck for Weds.
Magda, Sorry to hear about the BFN, but as it was early there is still a good chance of a BFP- Fingers crossed
Katie, wishing you a happy BFP Wednesday, too.
Jodsan, sorry about AF.
Hi everyone else, I have missed so much it is taking a long time to catch up!

Well, my weekend away was just what I needed. I went to see my Mum and Dad, as it was mother's day over here. I had a really relaxing time and came back feeling chilled and far less stressed about the 2ww. As you will soon see, it was never far from my mind though! (***Warning, the next paragraph is a bit hectic and contains mostly what has been buzzing through by head all day today!***)

On Sat, my temp dropped by 0.3 degrees and I thought that AF must defo be on her way. BUT, it shot back up on sun, 0.5 degrees more than it was on Sat. Sooo... could this be an implantation dip????
Since O, my temps have all been above the red line on ff website, Is that a good sign, or just what you would expect in the luteal phase???
I am being demading with the questions today, sorry everyone, just a bit highly strung with POAS day approaching. Oh, and my nausea reached new heights this morning. Oh, and I got up to pee in the night......
.....OK, OK, I know I'm getting carried away now. Get back down to earth, Canary.

Thank you for 'listening' to that lot, guys, it really helps to share my thoughts! I think that we need some
So, Tina, Katie,Magda,Tempus and Me- Have I missed anyone else who will be POAS this week? Everyone else, happy BDing and good luck with the other 2ww's. March is the month of Spring (well, in UK it is anyway) and therefore the month of procreation, so we should expect lots and lots of BFPs!!!!!!!

[Katiegirl]

Hi everyone.

Starrysky - I think we all enjoy you coming by to say hello and keep us up to date. I understand entirely why it is hard to move into the PAML thread entirely. And I understand even more why you are reluctant to join a Belly buddy group. I don't think I will ever be ready for that! So please keep us updated. We will all be in the same situation at some point and need to support each other.

Canary - your excitement is so evident. I think you have a good chance this cycle - and yes it sounds like it could have been an implantation dip. Fingers crossed for you. Whilst it is Autumn here - I am going to stick with your Spring theory. It works for me!

Tina - are you still going to test tomorrow as well?

I woke up early this morning. I think it is because I am still waiting for AF. Still not sign and temp went up another point this morning. I have been so convinced that I am not preg that it just didn't cross my mind to test. I am going to buy one today and test tomorrow. Today is CD32 - Nervous!!!

TM - good luck today with the test - can't wait to hear.

To everyone else going to test - good luck. I hope everyone is doing well. I can not begin to explain who much BB has helped me cope over the last 3 months. It is wonderful to have a place where I can talk and everyone understands exactly what I am saying. So a big thankyou for helping me through some rough days. Nathaniel's due date is coming up in April - so I am hoping I will be in an okay state in the lead up.