TTC after Miscarriage or Loss ~ February 08 #2

[plc1805]

Jodsan & berecca - hope the info below helps u in some way as I am in no way an expert. Also, just want to say that I feel that there is benefit in both western and eastern medicines so my position is somewhere on the fence with no single persuasion. I have written about my experience before so sorry if i am repeating bits. Basically, this acupuncturist operates in the city, in middle park and in noble park. I have seen him only in noble park and next week I'm seeing him in latrobe st for the 1st time. When I went 2 weeks ago for the 1st time he tested different points of my limbs (lower half of arms and legs) and he asked me to tell him when I experienced a sharp pain. The pain was an indicator of where my energies were blocked. Energies relate to each meridian (line) that travels through ur body basically from one end to the other and through organs in between. A blockage leads to weakness in that meridian. My spleen meridian indicated a weakness so did my kidneys and lungs. Where female reproduction is concerned the spleen and kidney meridians are important (prob other meridians too not sure) cos spleen relates to babies sticking once fertilised and kidneys relate to the quality of the egg and other things. So this guy has been working on my spleen and kidney meridians (and lungs but unrelated). Basically he said I got the endometriosis cos my system has been sluggish for the longest time and these blockages have meant "bad" blood circulating and therefore causing the lesions to form on my uterus. So he is also treating my body as a whole (other meridians I suppose) to promote circulation of "good" blood. So hopefully my endo doesn't come back and I can get pg too. He puts needles into my skin where the blockages are. He explained to me it's like when u cut ur finger and and the brain registers pain and promotes blood to that site so that the cut can be mended. So with acupuncture the blood comes rushing to the site of the needle and tries to unblock the blocked energies in the process. I have had a total of 3 sessions and the last session he used the moxa for the 1st time. Jodsan - given what u have described about ur health I think u would benefit (again I'm no expert). Whether there is one or two kidneys I don't know how that impacts the philosophy of TCM where energies are concerned. berecca - I am also in the west but my parents live in noble park so it is really handy to go there and leave DS with my folks. NP and city clinics are his residences and I think he works for someone at the middle park clinic, not sure, but he does treat IVF patients there and he said the success rate of IVF with acupuncture is 95% compared to 60% without. Let me know if ur interested and I'll pass on his details. Hope this has helped - if u have any further questions, am happy to help as much as I can and I'm sure there are some ladies in here who have knowledge on the topic too.

[Baby Angels]

Ohhhh Tempus.... Laughing big time at the thought of a sperm swimming carnival..... Reddy Steady Gooooo... and they are ooof. The strong healthy sperm is off to a flying start... .OMG there are some sinking ones..... The 2 headed sperm is lagging behind.... watch out here comes the chinese herb accupuntured sperm... hes coming up from the back... its head to head tail to tail... its its its....... To be continued.

PLC... Birthday Buddy.... Ohhh laughed and laughed at your natrapaths session.... Laughed so much DH asked what I was laughing at.... which I then read it out to him and he looked at me strangely and had a little smile..... I swear somethimes he must think I m mad when I m reading everyone s posts.... Sometimes I m laughing and sometimes I "ohhh nooooo"

Nickster.... Come on.... time is up... you had your Dr appointment.... want the news girl.... good... bad... alright.... WHATEVER.

Jodsan.... Good luck hun..... My nana said to me once...... If your gunna have cancer girl (she was talking to me during my tests) .. your bowel is the best place to have it.... There are miles that can be removed and if they run out of stuff to remove they can take the whole lot out and you can get a little bag to carry around. My reply to her was.... Great... and then I can colour co ordinate my bags depending on what I m wearing..... It was the best thing anyone could have said to me... at the time I was beyond stressed because of what the Doctors were telling me.... she put it all into prospective for me. There is always a positive side. Sometimes it s really hard to find but its there. The other point is, there is always someone worse off than you are. So while I may have been distraught about the prospect of bowel cancer and years of annual operations to have it removed... I think now... thank God it wasnt bone cancer or something that would have been far more severe.

Katiegirl... Good luck with the new OB... Im still hoping for you thought that AF doesnt raise her ugly head

Canary..... huge amounts of If once a week someone on the 2ww gets a BFP then I can cope with it not being me. Good luck girl

Hi to everyone else I ve missed.... I m trying to cut down the size of my posts... sometimes the word NOVEL comes to mind.

As for me... not a heck of a lot happening.... Day 3 of my new cycle and already AF s visit is coming to an end. This whole quick cycle thing is blowing me away... 25 day cycle and AF for 3 days... 2 heavy one not.....

I do have MIL staying for a few nights this week so I ve been rushing around cleaning up everything.

I ve also finished my IVF scrapbook.... It ended up being over 50 pages so its taken a while. After MIL leaves I ll start on the next one which is one for each of my angels. I finished the one for DH for Valantines day. So other than that not a heck of a lot has happened.

[Magda]

Hi Ladies,

I have alot of catching up to do, I have been busy with my daughter, so I won't get into personals.

But I wanted to answer Canary's question to be about when I was going to test. Canary, I tested yesterday and I am hoping that I just tested too soon, but I am sad. AF is due on Tuesday, I am eating alot and I am tired but my boobs don't feel tender, but with my last pg I didn't feel any tenderness in boobs until after I tested.

Anyways ladies I hope that you guys are doing well. I am going through really rough times with my daughter so I appologize for not really being here.

[AJC]

Magda - could be too early. My first pg I got a BFN am on 14dpo then retested pm same day and got BFP? You never know - don't give up hope **Hugs**

Jodsan - glad your GF is ok.

Bettyboop - wish the tables would turn and things would hurry up and start working out for you. **Hugs**

**Hugs** for everyone else too

I'm a little confused today - currently on cd 15 (usually 0 around day 17 - 18) so was planning to start serious bding tonight. Temp rose to
36.26 yesterday which was normal for pre-O but today it was 36.51 which is not normal for pre-O. Saying that - I am feeling nauseous this morn from last nights dinner so I am hoping that I haven't O yet and temp is just high because I'm a bit off. I have never O before day 16 in my life?!?!? I figured if we have missed this month (bd on Wed night but think that would have been too early) then it was meant to be as am starting clomid next month. Will still try for this month - DH due home anytime now so might light some candles and put a bit of mood music on for his arrival. Little does he know it's his lucky day - he he he. Maybe we can catch this months egg (if it's flown).

Oh why is it all so confusing?!?!?!??!

Have a good weekend everyone.

[Jodsan]

Hi all, 13dpo and boobs are less sore, less swollen and less lumpy. Still got the funny tingling sensations though getting less. I am now quite sure the pregnancy is going away. This has now happened three times over the past 6 months, plus the MC. Are these missed MC's or could I have a hormone imbalance causing my body to develop pregnancy symptoms without a pregnancy? I only ever get slight PMS so it is really quite distinct. My boobs grow a cup size and the milkducts get lumpy and tingly like when milk comes in, then it all goes away and AF shows up, which I now firmly believe will occur on Monday. Has anybody had this, am I going mad, should I see a doctor (I dont actually have a dr at the moment)?

BTW plc1805 - thanks so much for that. I would be interested in getting the name of the acupuncturist.

[berecca623]

plc - Would like the name of the accupuncturist too if that is cool, if it doesn't happen this month am definently going to try some eastern therapies!

Jodsan - some women have all sorts of pg symptoms just due to hormone increases in their cycles. That's why early pg symptoms are so hard to interpret, as they could easily be the indicator AF is on her way.

As for me had argument with DH today, wanted to tell him that if we fall in this month I would be due 25th Dec and so not too fussed if it doesn't happen this month, and he starting yelling at me and saying TTC is all I talk about, and kids, and that I am putting myself under too much pressure, and I should just let it happen, etc. OK now some of the things he said are probably true, and before m/c I wasn't so focussed, but as I said to him he just doesn't understand. I have to cope with EVERYONE around me at work, home, friends, etc talking about their kids, or being pregnant, or trying. My sister has a son who everyone raves about, all my gf bar 1 are TTC and so are many ladies at work, plus by bestfriend is 4 mths pg. I am finding that hard. However after the tears and yelling was over I think we have come to a better place and a better understanding. I can't remember who it was on here (or perhaps 2WW forum) who said DH was whinging about all the B'Ding and my DH is the same. I told him I think about and do so much cause I feel it is all on me and I am not getting the support I need from him, even though he is desperate for kids too! He has now promised to do it when, where, how, why, etc when I tell him to, so I feel better and that we are both making an effort at TTC now. I am feeling pretty goo at the moment due to it all happening, so just like tempus I got it all out and it may help!

[pbstar]

hi berecca

sounds like your DH and mine are related....so similar!Mine is the one who is whinging about all the BD'ing and goes mental if i mention anything to do with TTC but it is completely ok for him to talk about how much he wants a baby, such a double standard! i had a big go at him on friday because he was harping on again about how i just have to relax and let it happen naturally (GRRR!!!) and i felt a lot better but at the same time i realise he just can't understand because he is a guy...

anyway we have made a little bit of progress- i am at the point now where i don't have to hide from him when i take my temp every morning so guess that is something!

[Canary]

Hi everyone,
I'm back from my weekend away and wow! You have all been chatting loads! It took me a while to catch up, but I got there eventually.
Angel B,

If once a week someone on the 2ww gets a BFP then I can cope with it not being me.

That was a very generous thing to say and thank you. We will all get there eventually, it is just a matter of time..
Starry Sky, I agree with everyone else who says that it is really nice to hear how you are doing (and Nickster too.) You were both here when I first arrived in this thread, and I feel as though we are all in this together. I'm glad that you didnt dissappear off to the PAML thread and forget about us. Good luk for the 5th, I'll be thinking of you.
Tina, a WHOLE week??? There is no way I could wait that long! Good luck for Weds.
Magda, Sorry to hear about the BFN, but as it was early there is still a good chance of a BFP- Fingers crossed
Katie, wishing you a happy BFP Wednesday, too.
Jodsan, sorry about AF.
Hi everyone else, I have missed so much it is taking a long time to catch up!

Well, my weekend away was just what I needed. I went to see my Mum and Dad, as it was mother's day over here. I had a really relaxing time and came back feeling chilled and far less stressed about the 2ww. As you will soon see, it was never far from my mind though! (***Warning, the next paragraph is a bit hectic and contains mostly what has been buzzing through by head all day today!***)

On Sat, my temp dropped by 0.3 degrees and I thought that AF must defo be on her way. BUT, it shot back up on sun, 0.5 degrees more than it was on Sat. Sooo... could this be an implantation dip????
Since O, my temps have all been above the red line on ff website, Is that a good sign, or just what you would expect in the luteal phase???
I am being demading with the questions today, sorry everyone, just a bit highly strung with POAS day approaching. Oh, and my nausea reached new heights this morning. Oh, and I got up to pee in the night......
.....OK, OK, I know I'm getting carried away now. Get back down to earth, Canary.

Thank you for 'listening' to that lot, guys, it really helps to share my thoughts! I think that we need some
So, Tina, Katie,Magda,Tempus and Me- Have I missed anyone else who will be POAS this week? Everyone else, happy BDing and good luck with the other 2ww's. March is the month of Spring (well, in UK it is anyway) and therefore the month of procreation, so we should expect lots and lots of BFPs!!!!!!!

[Katiegirl]

Hi everyone.

Starrysky - I think we all enjoy you coming by to say hello and keep us up to date. I understand entirely why it is hard to move into the PAML thread entirely. And I understand even more why you are reluctant to join a Belly buddy group. I don't think I will ever be ready for that! So please keep us updated. We will all be in the same situation at some point and need to support each other.

Canary - your excitement is so evident. I think you have a good chance this cycle - and yes it sounds like it could have been an implantation dip. Fingers crossed for you. Whilst it is Autumn here - I am going to stick with your Spring theory. It works for me!

Tina - are you still going to test tomorrow as well?

I woke up early this morning. I think it is because I am still waiting for AF. Still not sign and temp went up another point this morning. I have been so convinced that I am not preg that it just didn't cross my mind to test. I am going to buy one today and test tomorrow. Today is CD32 - Nervous!!!

TM - good luck today with the test - can't wait to hear.

To everyone else going to test - good luck. I hope everyone is doing well. I can not begin to explain who much BB has helped me cope over the last 3 months. It is wonderful to have a place where I can talk and everyone understands exactly what I am saying. So a big thankyou for helping me through some rough days. Nathaniel's due date is coming up in April - so I am hoping I will be in an okay state in the lead up.

[bettyboop]

wow fingers crossed for those about to test, nothing happening here

[Baby Angels]

Canary.... You make me laugh with all your scattered thoughts... but I sooooo understand... my head space is enough to send the sane ... insane.

I am wishing so badly for a BFP for you both

[AJC]

Jodsan - sorry about af.

pbstar - completely understand how you feel. It seems so unfair - I have no idea how their bodies could possible supply the baby the nutrition required to develop for those 9 months.

Canary - good luck when you poas. Sounds positive and sending positive vibes your way.

Tina - Hoping you got a BFP today.

Kategirl goodluck for your test tomorrow, wishing you a BFP too!

Tempus - have you tested yet? Fingers crossed.

Hi to everyone else. Sending hugs and to all!!!

Well as suspected, my temp went down today so i think it was just a little higher over weekend due to hayfever. Today should be O day actually so fingers crossed for this month. Have timed bd much better this month. Speaking of bd - catch yas later...... he he he - sorry TMI isn't it!!!
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[pbstar]

hi girls

ooohh katiegirl and canary i can feel a coming....fingers crossed...

jodsan, plc1805 & AJC- thanks for the support, am feeling a lot better and more rational today about my friends daughter...life isn't fair in a lot of ways but you just have to get on with it and focus on the positives, and really, compared to a lot of people i am lucky.

hi to everyone else and hope you are all well

i am having a really weird TWW so far, it is such a mental battle against myself. One minute i start having preg symptoms (impossible as i am only 5DPO) and the next i am so down and exhausted because i have convinced myself i am not going to get a BFP...just want to find a happy medium!!

this is the first TWW i have ever really monitored through charting etc so any tips on how to stay sane would be helpful???

[plc1805]

Hey there!!
First of all I want to wish all the girls in 2WW (katiegirl, canary, tina, magda, tempus, pbstar - so so sorry if I've missed someone) all the very best of !!!! Got EVERYTHING crossed for you!!!

more to Nickster & StarrySky!!!!!!!!!!!

A for AJC, jodsan, angelbabies(bdaybuddy), bettyboop, and the rest of u lovely ladies - with an extra special additional for bettyboop!

As for me, had another acup appt today. Got it from him that until my kidney energies unblock it is unwise to conceive (toxins etc) - kind of have to wait anyway cos my OBGYN asked me to wait til AF arrived (assuming kidney energies unblocked by then). When I rang OBGYN today to confirm that "no sex" til AF really meant "no unprotected sex" til AF, I was told that I needed to in fact wait til my appt with him (post-surgery check-up) in mid April (not when AF arrives) before TTC. But he told me after surgery to wait til AF!! Boy oh boy! I'm not a patient customer and I'm really being tested!! Agree that when u break a bone or twist an ankle you can't do anything major for 6-8 weeks so is post-lap surgery the same? maybe cos they had to physically cut something out than it is precautionary. Anyway, needed to vent....thanks.
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