thanks guys... on a completely different note in mothers group today there were 8 of us and only two of us didnt have c sections!! not only that the only other person who didnt have a c section claimed to have a 30hr labour and an epidural.. i didnt realise it was so uncommon to have a natural birth these days?? they were all like wow are you serious no drugs??? i mean dont get me wrong i am not knocking what anyone choses, alot of them infact werent planned c sections i just didnt realise that was they way most ppl end up going.. two bubs had hip displaycia as well one severe and one not will be good for them to talk i am sure they were both talking about feeling a bit of a lack in support...